nuckin_futz Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Canada's Mounties allow women officers to wear hijab AFP Tue, Aug 23 9:10 AM PDT Ottawa (AFP) - Hoping to boost recruiting of Muslim women, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police is allowing its officers to wear hijabs as part of their uniforms, the government said Tuesday. "The commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police recently approved this addition to the uniform," Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale's spokesman Scott Bardsley told AFP. "This is intended to better reflect the diversity in our communities and encourage more Muslim women to consider the Royal Canadian Mounted Police as a career option," he said. The RCMP officer's uniform -- a red serge tunic, leather riding boots and wide-brimmed felt campaign hat -- is an iconic Canadian symbol. It dates back to the 1800s, when the RCMP's forerunner, the frontier North-West Mounted Police, spread law and order to the wilds of Canada's western provinces and Arctic territories. Inspired by British military uniforms of the period, it has since undergone only minor changes. The RCMP faced a public outcry in 1990 over a decision to allow Sikh officers to wear turbans as part of their uniforms. Attitudes have softened since then and Canadians have embraced the change. Three types of hijabs were tested before one was selected as suitable for police work, according to correspondence between Goodale and RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson published in a local newspaper. The garment did not encumber officers and could be removed quickly and easily if needed, the Montreal daily La Presse reported an internal memo as saying. No officers had yet asked to wear hijabs as of earlier this year, when the policy was quietly enacted. Updated figures were not immediately available. However, some 30 officers had asked for a relaxing of the rules for religious or cultural reasons over the past two years, La Presse reported. In most cases, the officers wanted to grow beards. With the latest uniform change, the RCMP becomes the third police force in Canada to add the hijab option after Toronto and Edmonton. Police in Britain, Sweden and Norway, as well as some US states, have adopted similar policies, Bardsley said. https://www.yahoo.com/news/canadas-mounties-allow-women-officers-wear-hijab-161051711.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Cool. I'd say that about sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 If you've an issue with this. Stop yourself Because all you'll be able to say is how either this disgraces the uniform Like this which you'll not have an issue with Or that somehow someway this degrades the Canadian culture or some such nonsense which as a multicultural country is an absolute load of crap. It doesn't look bad, it doesn't cover their face and doesn't stop them from doing their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, Warhippy said: If you've an issue with this. Stop yourself Because all you'll be able to say is how either this disgraces the uniform Like this which you'll not have an issue with Or that somehow someway this degrades the Canadian culture or some such nonsense which as a multicultural country is an absolute load of crap. It doesn't look bad, it doesn't cover their face and doesn't stop them from doing their jobs. Out of +'s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McIlhargey the Lesser Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Great, as long as it doesn't go further, like to the Niqab. Whereas I have a problem with Niqabs and the culture that enforces wearing them (though I'll defend to the death a person's right to freedom of expression and therefore dress) when it comes to legal issues that may very well go to court, identity is very relevant. Anything that prevents identifying officers is anathema to the way our court system works. Especially in light of the recent spate of accusations of police abuses in the US. If someone arrests me I need to be able to know that the same officer that arrested me is testifying in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFirstLine Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Good. Glad that we do things a little differently down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 But are they allowed to wear Burkinis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, McIlhargey the Lesser said: Great, as long as it doesn't go further, like to the Niqab. Whereas I have a problem with Niqabs and the culture that enforces wearing them (though I'll defend to the death a person's right to freedom of expression and therefore dress) when it comes to legal issues that may very well go to court, identity is very relevant. Anything that prevents identifying officers is anathema to the way our court system works. Especially in light of the recent spate of accusations of police abuses in the US. If someone arrests me I need to be able to know that the same officer that arrested me is testifying in court. See this I agree with. I was pulled over in Northern Alberta a few winters ago and refused to open my window as the officer had a face covering on due to the cold. I rolled it down just enough to inform them that without being able to see their face or name plate I had distrust due to issues across North America in law enforcement. He had absolutely no problem, even got in my car to warm up and let me know it looked like a chunk was missing from my back tail light. Good cop all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I doubt I will ever seen one wearing a hijab They can't catch me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 52 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Cool. Yup. Don't really care, providing we get the best potential officers into the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Luxury Yacht Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Cowboy hat, Turban, Hijab, whatever, makes no difference what they wear on their head to me, just be fair and upstanding. No face coverings though, a police officer has to be completely recognizable...period. As long they wear the Red Serge, they are RCMP to me. Aside from the Mountie being iconic, I generally find RCMP in the LM to be the least friendly cops, and most apt to being a total dick....but I don't think head wear affects that. EDIT: Upon further thought, Port Moody police are definitely the most apt to being total dicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabinessence Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Are Christian police allowed to wear crucifixes on their uniforms? Are Jewish police allowed to wear kippahs? Then again that would be irrelevant because the hijab isn't truly a commandment in islam, more of a cultural preference. I guess baseball fans can now wear ball caps of their favorite teams as part of the uniform! Although firmly rooted in Islamic tradition, hijab is not strictly defined in the Muslim holy book, the Quran. It is often a personal and cultural concept, not a religious one. Expression of hijab varies within the Muslim world and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 13 minutes ago, cabinessence said: Are Christian police allowed to wear crucifixes on their uniforms? Are Jewish police allowed to wear kippahs? Then again that would be irrelevant because the hijab isn't truly a commandment in islam, more of a cultural preference. I guess baseball fans can now wear ball caps of their favorite teams as part of the uniform! Although firmly rooted in Islamic tradition, hijab is not strictly defined in the Muslim holy book, the Quran. It is often a personal and cultural concept, not a religious one. Expression of hijab varies within the Muslim world and beyond. Well if you actually looked for that information before you posted your nonsense you'd know the answer is yes. Yarmulke Turban Cross And as you saw very clearly outlined it is a personal choice of religious and traditional standing much like the turban, the yarmulke, the cross and more. Wear a ball cap though or try to make that claim or comparison and you're just making yourself look like an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 16 minutes ago, cabinessence said: Are Christian police allowed to wear crucifixes on their uniforms? Are Jewish police allowed to wear kippahs? Then again that would be irrelevant because the hijab isn't truly a commandment in islam, more of a cultural preference. I guess baseball fans can now wear ball caps of their favorite teams as part of the uniform! Although firmly rooted in Islamic tradition, hijab is not strictly defined in the Muslim holy book, the Quran. It is often a personal and cultural concept, not a religious one. Expression of hijab varies within the Muslim world and beyond. Yes. Do your research. That ball-cap comparison is just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Just now, HerrDrFunk said: Yes. Do you research. That ball-cap comparison is just ridiculous. But research is hard work. So hard. Like...typing letters in to a search engine hard. it's easier to pick and choose quotes that contradict the point I am trying to make and copy and paste them than it is to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 3 hours ago, Warhippy said: But research is hard work. So hard. Like...typing letters in to a search engine hard. it's easier to pick and choose quotes that contradict the point I am trying to make and copy and paste them than it is to read. Problem is people these days think that research is reading a headline and the hook on an article @ www.foxnews.com Edit: or better yet, Facebook trending topics and other people's shared posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 1 hour ago, The Sedge said: Problem is people these days think that research is reading a headline and the hook on an article @ www.foxnews.com Edit: or better yet, Facebook trending topics and other people's shared posts The Rebel.....Ezra Levant being the utmost of the upper crust of the media types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 5 hours ago, thejazz97 said: Cool. /thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Light Racicot Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 We're just giving a specific group of people this kind of privilege before they even ask for it? This kind of preemptive capitulation never works out favourably anywhere else because of the precedent it sets, how is this a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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