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To MTL:

 

Edler

3rd Round Pick 2017

 

To VAN:

 

Sergachev

Markov

 

The Canucks add another promising young defenseman to their prospect pool, but a different style of player than Hutton or Juolevi. Sergachev is a big and strong kid who is very mobile and has a great shot. He can lead a rush effectively. He is left handed, but can play the right side and would be a nice fit with either Juolevi or Hutton moving forward. We take back Markov to balance the cap and somewhat replace Edler on the depth chart so Hutton isn't left exposed. It's not ideal, but the addition of Sergachev makes it worth it.

 

The Canadiens add a puck moving defenseman who can somewhat replace Subban's offensive instincts. Weber can replace his sheer goal totals, but not his presence as an offensive threat. Upgrading from Markov to Edler would boost their top-4 as they are in a win now mode. Their 2nd powerplay unit is boosted as well. Edler waives for Montreal because he can play out the rest of his contract on a contender before requesting a trade as an RFA.

 

Canucks 2016-17 Defense:

 

Markov - Tanev

Hutton - Gudbranson

Tryamkin - Larsen

Sbisa, Biega

Pedan

 

Canadiens 2016-17 Defense:

 

Beulieu - Weber

Edler - Petry

Emelin - Pateryn

Redmond, Barberio

Juulsen

 

The Canucks defense for the future is also improved:

 

Juolevi - Tanev

Hutton - Sergachev

Tryamkin - Gudbranson

Brisebois - Subban

Stetcher

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

To MTL:

 

Edler

3rd Round Pick 2017

 

To VAN:

 

Sergachev

Markov

 

 

The Canadiens add a puck moving defenseman who can somewhat replace Subban's offensive instincts.

Edler is neither a true PMD nor capable of replacing Punk Kid Subban's offense. 

 

This proposal completely favors,  surprise,  US - as per usual.

 

Bergevin doesn't even take JB's call if he knows this is the proposal.  

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4 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

This trade is ridiculous. But, after Bergevin traded Subban for Weber, anything could happen in Montreal. 

 

If, I was Montreal, the asset coming back for Sergachev is Juolevi + . No reason for Montreal to trade Sergachev. So give me a reason too.

Subban Jr for the Russian? lol 

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34 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

This trade is ridiculous. But, after Bergevin traded Subban for Weber, anything could happen in Montreal. 

 

If, I was Montreal, the asset coming back for Sergachev is Juolevi + . No reason for Montreal to trade Sergachev. So give me a reason too.

Montreal isnt stupid to ask for a higher drafted dman PLUS. Especially since we passed on serg. 

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3 minutes ago, numb3r 16 said:

Montreal isnt stupid to ask for a higher drafted dman PLUS. Especially since we passed on serg. 

Montreal has no reason to do any trade. As I said, give Montreal a reason to do the trade. I wasn't proposing this as even possible. I was saying what Montreal would need in order to give up Sergachev. 

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Despite being older and close to retirement, Markov actually still plays just as well as Edler.

 

So not only does MTL doesn't gain anything short-term, they lose Markov's replacement for the future. 

 

Sergachev did really well for Montreal's summer/rookie camp.  I wouldn't be surprise if he played 1-9 regular season games.  There is a lot of questions mark in Montreal as to who with play on Weber's left side.  Right now it seem like Beaulieu will get first dib.  If he doesn't play up to par, and Sergachev has a monster camp, he could actually stick around for the season.

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9 hours ago, PlanB said:

Edler is neither a true PMD nor capable of replacing Punk Kid Subban's offense. 

 

This proposal completely favors,  surprise,  US - as per usual.

 

Bergevin doesn't even take JB's call if he knows this is the proposal.  

Your kidding right.??? Markov is washed up and if we wanted sergachev then we could have drafted him. Edler is leaps and bounds ahead of markov and a lot younger is he not. It blows my mind how people crap all over Edler for the last time, do you people who hate on him actually watch other elite d and see how many times they make a bad choice here and there? or the fact that when Edler was hurt our team completely fell apart. The guy is a stud 2d who had a superb 2015 is an Olympian, and was doing well until he got injured last year Markov better give me a fuc***** break.

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3 hours ago, bp79 said:

Your kidding right.??? Markov is washed up and if we wanted sergachev then we could have drafted him. Edler is leaps and bounds ahead of markov and a lot younger is he not. It blows my mind how people crap all over Edler for the last time, do you people who hate on him actually watch other elite d and see how many times they make a bad choice here and there? or the fact that when Edler was hurt our team completely fell apart. The guy is a stud 2d who had a superb 2015 is an Olympian, and was doing well until he got injured last year Markov better give me a fuc***** break.

Not sure what's funnier. The fact thAt you think Markov is washed up, or that you imply that Edler is an elite defenceman. Markov has  up 43,50and 44 points over the last 3 seasons.

He struggled at the end of the season but he was playing way to many minutes due to the season ending injuries to Petry, Subban and Gilbert. And let's not forget that Edler hasn't managed a healthy season since before the lockout. Montreal doesn't even do a Markov for Edler trade straight up. Let alone adding in Sergachev 

 

 

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Edler played 45 games during the lockout averaged  0.49 points per game. missed 3 games the nesxt year under torts where he was was treated like garbage he averaged 0.39 points in 63 games. the following year under willy he played 74 games averaged .0.42 points. last year he played in 50 games averaged 0.40 points per game. so in the last 4 seasons he had to injure prone seasons he is hardly injure prone. Those are the only 2 season where he missed quite a few games. in willys first season he played 74 games and was the canucks best d man by far. except for the  torts season, he has had some of the best corsi numbers in the league. last year when he  went down, the nucks had there worst stretch of hockey. worse the when hammer missed significant time Edler is A 2 way d man unlike markov. he lays out bone crunching hits and has a great first pass. He is also the minute cruncher averaging 24 mins a game. He is used as the #1 d man, even tho he is better suited as a #2 He is on a great contract and is 7 years younger then markov . He also gets most of his points even strenth. Yes he makes mistakes, but he is great defensively who averages 184 hits over 80 games. and for his career averages 40 points year similar to markov.

 

Yes Markov has stayed healthy the last 3 years. and for his career averages 0.6 points a game, not much of a difference for a guy who is an offensive defense man. he averages 57 hit over 80 games 130 less a year then Edler. they are two totally different types of dmen. And his career corsi is worse then Edlers. And like i said he is 7 years older and gets the most sheltered minutes, and got majority of his points on the pp. to say you wouldn't trade him straight up is bs. 

 

And if he is so good why do all the fans on the hockey futures forum who are hab fans constantly make trade scenarios involving him? why do they say he is the worst defensive d man on the team? and from habs fans who say he gets the most sheltered minutes because he can't defend his zone worth a lick? Putting that all aside how can you sit there and say you would rather have an old 37 year old past his prime, who is one dimensional compared to a legit 1st pairing 2 way dman who is better in almost every aspect of defense, who defends always against the best of the other team, and has almost the same points percentage

who also is good at both ends of the ice and is 7 years younger. If the canucks trade Edler it will be for a much better package then a 37 yearold and a prospect a lot of scouts say the same thing Sergachev has talent and yup he can put up points, but they don't think he has the iq to be a top 4 dman. We got the most complete D in the draft 10 scouts that were asked asked chose Oli 

 Most think he will be in the nhl next year the same scouts said sergachev is years away. IM not trying to start some kind of war of words you said your piece and i said mine. I concede that elite might be overstepping, but hes healthy now and still in his prime 

 

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, PlanB said:

Edler is neither a true PMD nor capable of replacing Punk Kid Subban's offense. 

 

This proposal completely favors,  surprise,  US - as per usual.

 

Bergevin doesn't even take JB's call if he knows this is the proposal.  

While the first line (minus the opinion on Subban) I agree with, Edler is still a solid D. Markov has still been doing well offensively, but I'd be willing to bet that him moving to a Western conference team that travels as much as us would be problematic for him.

 

I don't think it's a deal that really works, and as was said later Montreal doesn't have much in the way of incentive to do this even if I'd love to get Sergachev (and Markov would probably be great for Hutton to learn from, and good for Tryamkin).

 

17 hours ago, Art Vandelay said:

Montreal has no reason to do any trade. As I said, give Montreal a reason to do the trade. I wasn't proposing this as even possible. I was saying what Montreal would need in order to give up Sergachev. 

While the lack of motivation is fair, it was an weird suggestion to say Juolevi+. Montreal would accept a few things, I'm sure, but we all know they couldn't expect that much back.

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Goodidea.  MTL needs veteran help both upfront and in the back end - and Markov is most likely playing his final season (or two) so they could already be looking at what they could get for him.  Also their team is dreadful right now without Price, and waiting for prospects might not be a main priority for them, rather immediate help.  

 

On our side Markov would be a slight upgrade over Edler offensively (and our PP needs a fresh look) even if it only for a couple years (ie until the Sedins re-sign and move down a line, retire or request a trade to a contender) and we would have two top D prospects in the wings.  

 

Benning would go for this if he could, it is right in-line with what he has publicly stated about the club since he arrived.

 

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59 minutes ago, elvis15 said:

While the lack of motivation is fair, it was an weird suggestion to say Juolevi+. Montreal would accept a few things, I'm sure, but we all know they couldn't expect that much back.

This is all under the circumstance of me being the Montreal GM, and Vancouver calling me... and offering Edler/third for Sergachev/Markov. Montreal needs D prospects, and Sergachev is one of the best out there. I would rather keep the unknown I have, then trade for the unknown I don't have. So if Vancouver called me for Sergachev, I would want equal value replacement, plus value to make me take on the unknown I don't have. Edler is not that. And all Vancouver has would be Juolevi. 

 

Realistically, a good GM would not be trading Sergachev this quick after drafting him. And if they did, they would be getting an over payment. Actually, realistically Montreal would still have Subban (if I were GM), and all this would be pointless. 

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