Pears Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Got a little bored so I thought of this. Say we're in position to draft Timothy Liljegren next summer, and we still want to get that franchise center/successor to Henrik Sedin, this could take place: To Vancouver: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins To Edmonton: Chris Tanev Why Vancouver does this: With the potential drafting of Liljegren and trading for RNH, we hit two birds with one stone. Draft an almost surefire top pair defenseman and trade for a center, although with injury problems, should still be a #1 center. Added bonus that he's a BC boy. Why Edmonton does this: Even though they traded for Adam Larsson, they're still thin on defense. Getting Tanev would solidify their top 4. So if you look at it, it could be a win-win for both teams. Future core: RNH, Liljegren Juolevi, Horvat, Boeser, Gudbranson, Virtanen, Baertschi, Hutton, Tryamkin, Demko. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Nugent Hopkins is terrible and not suited at all to the western conference. There's no way I would make that trade. He's smarter then most of those oilers players I'll give him credit there but he's like a boy playing against men. A #1 center men puts up more then 54 points a year. I dunno why people are making Tanev trades when it's Edler who is going to be traded before the trade deadline this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: I don't like the idea of helping out Edmonton. If they finally get their (expletive) together we could be in a world of hurt for the next 10 years. I also don't think the Nuge will ever become a good #1 center, I see him being a good #2 center. Does Tanev have more trade value than Larsson? If so then we should be asking more for Tanev, I would rather go after Draisaitl but like I said, let's not do Edmonton any favors. I thought about Draisaitl, but figured Edmonton wouldn't trade him. Just depends on what else they'd want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Chiarelli was quoted in the Edmonton Journal saying he is very happy with his defence. Ideally he would still like to add a D that can QB their powerplay - that's not Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 19 minutes ago, Pears said: Got a little bored so I thought of this. Say we're in position to draft Timothy Liljegren next summer, and we still want to get that franchise center/successor to Henrik Sedin, this could take place: To Vancouver: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins To Edmonton: Chris Tanev Why Vancouver does this: With the potential drafting of Liljegren and trading for RNH, we hit two birds with one stone. Draft an almost surefire top pair defenseman and trade for a center, although with injury problems, should still be a #1 center. Added bonus that he's a BC boy. Why Edmonton does this: Even though they traded for Adam Larsson, they're still thin on defense. Getting Tanev would solidify their top 4. So if you look at it, it could be a win-win for both teams. Future core: RNH, Liljegren Juolevi, Horvat, Boeser, Gudbranson, Virtanen, Baertschi, Hutton, Tryamkin, Demko. Thoughts? This would give us a much better one two punch up the middle that is for sure. McDavid makes RNH somewhat expendable, I am sure that they would go for this deal. My concern is our D looks pretty thin as it is...without Tanev things would be a lot worse. One of the fairer and more realistic trades suggested on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I'm not 100% confident that RNH can be considered a franchise centerman. At least not in the Western Conference anyway. He's a perimeter player, not sure you build around that type of centerman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircool Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Fanuck said: I'm not 100% confident that RNH can be considered a franchise centerman. At least not in the Western Conference anyway. He's a perimeter player, not sure you build around that type of centerman. I think the only logical opinion is to be 100% confident that RNH can NOT be a franchise center. I think that is obvious. He is not even a first line center, forget franchsie center. I hate the notion of this trade fundamentally, because we need to stop giving up assets for good players, and start acquiring GREAT players... This rebuild/retool has been half-assed and we will come out of it with a mediocre team, I have no doubt of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, Aircool said: I think the only logical opinion is to be 100% confident that RNH can NOT be a franchise center. I think that is obvious. He is not even a first line center, forget franchsie center. I hate the notion of this trade fundamentally, because we need to stop giving up assets for good players, and start acquiring GREAT players... This rebuild/retool has been half-assed and we will come out of it with a mediocre team, I have no doubt of this. To be able to get "great" players, you have to give up good assets. Good job contradicting yourself though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Pears said: To be able to get "great" players, you have to give up good assets. Good job contradicting yourself though. Top pairing, RHD Defensive D > Borderline #1/2 C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircool Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, Pears said: To be able to get "great" players, you have to give up good assets. Good job contradicting yourself though. I'm not just saying this to be insulting, I'm saying it because I honestly believe it. This could be the stupidest thing I've ever read. Seriously. First of all, you make the assumption that I agree with you that you can acquire GREAT assets for a combination of GOOD assets. So if you can cite me the trend of first line centers, top pairing defenseman, and young Top-6/Top-4 players on ELCs being traded for packages of mediocre talent, I'd consider agreeing with you. We all know, that Seth Jones was the price for Ryan Johansen, and P.K. cost Shea Weber. That Taylor Hall cost Adam Larsson, even if that trade was lopsided... You still can only acquire GREAT assets by giving away GREAT assets... So I fail to see how I've contradicted myself... Although after having antagonized you now, I'm sure you'll endlessly try to convince me that I have, while arguing a hopeless position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Bur14Kes17 said: Nugent Hopkins is terrible and not suited at all to the western conference. There's no way I would make that trade. He's smarter then most of those oilers players I'll give him credit there but he's like a boy playing against men. A #1 center men puts up more then 54 points a year. I dunno why people are making Tanev trades when it's Edler who is going to be traded before the trade deadline this year Mostly because we've tried trading Edler before and he's said no. Tanev we can trade anywhere and he's arguably our most valuable asset. I'm not saying I want to trade him, but he's more valuable than Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 29 minutes ago, Pears said: Mostly because we've tried trading Edler before and he's said no. Tanev we can trade anywhere and he's arguably our most valuable asset. I'm not saying I want to trade him, but he's more valuable than Edler. Considering the Larsen for Hall trade, Tanev should return a young top line forward, like Sam Reinhart level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 43 minutes ago, Pears said: Mostly because we've tried trading Edler before and he's said no. Tanev we can trade anywhere and he's arguably our most valuable asset. I'm not saying I want to trade him, but he's more valuable than Edler. I see what you're saying and I agree he's our most valuable tradeable asset. The problem is Tanev can easily play without Edler, but Edler can't play without Tanev. If we trade Tanev, it's like we lose 1 1/2 of our top two defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 19 minutes ago, Alflives said: Considering the Larsen for Hall trade, Tanev should return a young top line forward, like Sam Reinhart level. I really highly doubt Tanev could ever fetch that kind of return. Not because he's not worth it, I think he's better then Larsen, but because Edm was backed up into a corner with their arm twisted behind their back and every team in the league knew. Like when Vancouver traded Schnieder. That significantly upped Larsens value and I doubt we find a trade partner half as bent over as Edm was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Aircool said: I'm not just saying this to be insulting, I'm saying it because I honestly believe it. This could be the stupidest thing I've ever read. Seriously. First of all, you make the assumption that I agree with you that you can acquire GREAT assets for a combination of GOOD assets. So if you can cite me the trend of first line centers, top pairing defenseman, and young Top-6/Top-4 players on ELCs being traded for packages of mediocre talent, I'd consider agreeing with you. We all know, that Seth Jones was the price for Ryan Johansen, and P.K. cost Shea Weber. That Taylor Hall cost Adam Larsson, even if that trade was lopsided... You still can only acquire GREAT assets by giving away GREAT assets... So I fail to see how I've contradicted myself... Although after having antagonized you now, I'm sure you'll endlessly try to convince me that I have, while arguing a hopeless position. There is an example of a great player for a combination of good assets, and that is Kesler for Bonino, Sbisa, and a 1st round pick. I will say, however, that Kesler had the Canucks in a pickle as he only had a few teams he'd be willing to be traded to. If he could have went anywhere, we would have traded him for another great player. No question about it. So to conclude, unless there are unusual circumstances, great players can only be acquired by giving away great assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazer8717 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 If we're trading Tanev to Edmonton it better be for Draisaitl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Blazer8717 said: If we're trading Tanev to Edmonton it better be for Draisaitl. Yup. He's the only player, not named McJesus, we want from the Coil. Nope, don't want that Puliarvii either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 28 minutes ago, Blazer8717 said: If we're trading Tanev to Edmonton it better be for Draisaitl. Rumour is Edmonton refused a Subban trade because Montreal wanted Draisaitl included. You're dreaming if you think they'd move him for Tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Rumour is Edmonton refused a Subban trade because Montreal wanted Draisaitl included. You're dreaming if you think they'd move him for Tanev The Coil just gave up one of the top scoring players in the league for a guy named Larsen, who is (at best) half the player of Tanev. If anything, JB would not trade Tanev for Draisatl. We, as fans would, but JB most likely would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Rnh is a good 2nd line centre at this point and for what larsson retrieved I want a 23yr old or younger top 6 forward. Kings ransom or I'm more than happy to keep tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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