Surrey RCMP arrest Mountie after Creep Catchers sting

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/surrey-rcmp-creep-catchers-1.3755848

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RCMP in Surrey, B.C., have arrested a Mountie following claims made by a vigilante pedophile-hunting group that an officer showed up for a meeting with one of the group's decoys, who was posing as a 14-year-old girl.

 

"Last night as the investigation progressed, the suspected officer was arrested and taken into custody where he remains today,"

 

acting RCMP commanding officer Brenda Butterworth-Carr said at a news conference Friday afternoon.

Butterworth-Carr said the Crown has yet to approve the charges and the officer's name and detachment have not been released. 

She said that the criminal investigation is ongoing, as well as an internal code of conduct investigation. She said the officer has been removed from duty and suspended.

 

"If these allegations are substantiated, we will be taking immediate steps to separate ourselves from this individual," she said.

 

"These allegations are egregious and not in keeping with what we expect from our employees."

 

She confirmed the allegations included child luring and sexual exploitation. 

Personally I love Creep Catchers, I don't care if the cops don't, these guys are amazing. I'm not entirely supportive of unfettered online shaming, but in the case of pedophiles caught in the act, I say do it! 

http://creepcatcher.ca/partners/category/surrey/

 

[Seifer86]

The person/people who named officers that had nothing to do with this are going to be neck-deep in defamation lawsuits from now to eternity. The Internet is not the free for all that many think it is.

[Alflives]

20 minutes ago, Raymond Luxury Yacht said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/surrey-rcmp-creep-catchers-1.3755848

Personally I love Creep Catchers, I don't care if the cops don't, these guys are amazing. I'm not entirely supportive of unfettered online shaming, but in the case of pedophiles caught in the act, I say do it! 

http://creepcatcher.ca/partners/category/surrey/

 

Tried to sell one of our horses on line years back, and a young girl replied, who seemed rather simple minded given the level of email response.  We kept asking her to have her parents contact us directly, but the parents never did.  I could see where sickos could lure young people using the Internet.  It's really good we have policing to catch the perverts.  

[King Heffy]

22 minutes ago, Raymond Luxury Yacht said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/surrey-rcmp-creep-catchers-1.3755848

Personally I love Creep Catchers, I don't care if the cops don't, these guys are amazing. I'm not entirely supportive of unfettered online shaming, but in the case of pedophiles caught in the act, I say do it! 

http://creepcatcher.ca/partners/category/surrey/

 

These guys do fantastic work.  The chat logs are disturbing as hell and leave little doubt as to the predators' true intentions.  They don't message anyone first so as far as I'm concerned anyone who they catch brought it on themselves.

 

I'd love to help out but I doubt I'd have the restraint to not castrate some of the guys they catch.

[Wilbur]

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Police don't endorse group

Butterworth-Carr also emphasized the suspended officer was not one who had been named on social media. 

"This misinformation and unfair assumptions have been extremely stressful [for the officer named and his family] and incredibly inappropriate," she said.

"This is a prime example of why we ask for an investigation, due process and formal charges to be considered and approved by Crown counsel before a name is disseminated, especially on social media."

Insp. Tyler Svendson said he couldn't speak on the case because it's still active, but he said investigations involving groups like Creep Catchers are "very difficult."

"Their objective is to publicly shame people. Our objective is to arrest, charge and successfully prosecute and obtain convictions on all of these files," he said. 

From the same article.  A clear downside of Creep Catchers.  In the haste to publicly shame, you better get it right.  I hope the wrongly named officer's life isn't ruined and any investigation isn't compromised on the actual perpetrator.

[Realtor Rod]

Having two daughters, I can appreciate the work these guys do, but shouldnt they take it to a point and hand it off to the police? I just see piles and piles of red tape and lawsuits if these guys screw something up and likely not leading to a conviction. I have said it before, there are a few reasons I am willing to go to jail, one of them is messing with one of my children. 

 

I have zero sympathy for pedophiles, zero.

[ABNuck]

21 minutes ago, Realtor Rod said:

Having two daughters, I can appreciate the work these guys do, but shouldnt they take it to a point and hand it off to the police? I just see piles and piles of red tape and lawsuits if these guys screw something up and likely not leading to a conviction. I have said it before, there are a few reasons I am willing to go to jail, one of them is messing with one of my children. 

 

I have zero sympathy for pedophiles, zero.

I respect your opinion...BUT...it does emphasize a problem with our society, a desensitization if you will. We are ALL appalled by individuals who perpetrate these particular types of crimes. But the sad point is, we should feel the same way about EVERY predator, not just the ones who prey on children. People who prey on the elderly, the weak, people of different ethnicity or any form of racism, anyone who bullies someone, someone who rapes and takes away the dignity of another etc etc etc. We MUST be disgusted by ALL of these types of people. To say that pedophiles are the worst is somehow making the rest of them somewhat less. Even criminals in prison have a special disgust for pedophiles...and again that is a problem. All of society should and must be disgusted by all of the types I mentioned about. I'm not diminishing the disgust we must feel towards pedophiles, I want to ELEVATE the disgust we should feel against ALL of the similar types of perpetrators.

[Harvey Spector]

I believe they have outed around 60 pedophiles and publicly shamed them, but as of yet none of them have ever been charged. Looks like this cop might be the first. 

 

I understand their intent but unless you can put these creeps behind bars I'm not sure that just the public shame is good enough.  I mean those 60 guys are still on the streets looking for their next prey. I'd feel alot better if they were arrested and charged. 

 

I believe that show in the US, To Catch A Predator, actually got guys convicted, so they must have done something better and more legal than just publicly shaming people. It's all about being able to collect evidence and being able to use that evidence, making sure it was acquired legally under the law. I think that's the biggest beef of our RCMP, that the evidence acquired by Creep Catchers is tainted and not admissible in Court. If they can find a way to not taint the evidence and come to an agreement to work with Police, then they would be a much greater service to the Public. 

[riffraff]

12 minutes ago, ABNuck said:

I respect your opinion...BUT...it does emphasize a problem with our society, a desensitization if you will. We are ALL appalled by individuals who perpetrate these particular types of crimes. But the sad point is, we should feel the same way about EVERY predator, not just the ones who prey on children. People who prey on the elderly, the weak, people of different ethnicity or any form of racism, anyone who bullies someone, someone who rapes and takes away the dignity of another etc etc etc. We MUST be disgusted by ALL of these types of people. To say that pedophiles are the worst is somehow making the rest of them somewhat less. Even criminals in prison have a special disgust for pedophiles...and again that is a problem. All of society should and must be disgusted by all of the types I mentioned about. I'm not diminishing the disgust we must feel towards pedophiles, I want to ELEVATE the disgust we should feel against ALL of the similar types of perpetrators.

I disagree.

[luckylager]

5 minutes ago, ABNuck said:

I respect your opinion...BUT...it does emphasize a problem with our society, a desensitization if you will. We are ALL appalled by individuals who perpetrate these particular types of crimes. But the sad point is, we should feel the same way about EVERY predator, not just the ones who prey on children. People who prey on the elderly, the weak, people of different ethnicity or any form of racism, anyone who bullies someone, someone who rapes and takes away the dignity of another etc etc etc. We MUST be disgusted by ALL of these types of people. To say that pedophiles are the worst is somehow making the rest of them somewhat less. Even criminals in prison have a special disgust for pedophiles...and again that is a problem. All of society should and must be disgusted by all of the types I mentioned about. I'm not diminishing the disgust we must feel towards pedophiles, I want to ELEVATE the disgust we should feel against ALL of the similar types of perpetrators.

Nope, pedophiles are the worst and what you wrote comes off as sympathy, seriously.

 

You can't even compare them to any other type of offender, sexual or not, yet somehow these freaks aren't actually killed in prison.

 

I'm always disgusted by rapists and murderers, but by far and away, the most despicable humans prey on children. Castaration shouldn't even be a question.

 

They should get two choices- Cut off your junk, or your head.

[ABNuck]

2 minutes ago, riffraff said:

I disagree.

 

2 minutes ago, luckylager said:

Nope, pedophiles are the worst and what you wrote comes off as sympathy, seriously.

 

You can't even compare them to any other type of offender, sexual or not, yet somehow these freaks aren't actually killed in prison.

 

I'm always disgusted by rapists and murderers, but by far and away, the most despicable humans prey on children. Castaration shouldn't even be a question.

 

They should get two choices- Cut off your junk, or your head.

Maybe I didn't clearly make my point. I AM IN NO WAY A SYMPATHIZER TO CHILD MOLESTER!!!!

 

Put it this way. If someone raped and murdered one of my girls, he's gonna die. Same goes if he raped and murdered my wife, or my mother, or my grandmother...now do you get the point?

[luckylager]

1 minute ago, ABNuck said:

 

Maybe I didn't clearly make my point. I AM IN NO WAY A SYMPATHIZER TO CHILD MOLESTER!!!!

 

Put it this way. If someone raped and murdered one of my girls, he's gonna die. Same goes if he raped and murdered my wife, or my mother, or my grandmother...now do you get the point?

Oh I get it...

 

But they're the worst. Bar none. By a landslide.

[riffraff]

2 minutes ago, ABNuck said:

 

Maybe I didn't clearly make my point. I AM IN NO WAY A SYMPATHIZER TO CHILD MOLESTER!!!!

 

Put it this way. If someone raped and murdered one of my girls, he's gonna die. Same goes if he raped and murdered my wife, or my mother, or my grandmother...now do you get the point?

Yes I get the point.

 

i did not see your post as sympathy either.

 

i just don't equate pedo crimes with some others you listed like bullying, preying on the elderly (if by that you mean scams etc) and even racism.

 

children don't even have a fighting chance and are completely trusting and dependent on adults.  I rate pedo  crimes as the worst in humanity.

[ABNuck]

Just now, riffraff said:

Yes I get the point.

 

i did not see your post as sympathy either.

 

i just don't equate pedo crimes with some others you listed like bullying, preying on the elderly (if by that you mean scams etc) and even racism.

 

children don't even have a fighting chance and are completely trusting and dependent on adults.  I rate pedo  crimes as the worst in humanity.

True, good point. And maybe I was stretching it a bit with bullying and scams, but I was more thinking of the higher end of those types of crimes (ie/ bullying someone online into committing suicide, or in the realm of sexual crimes, committing them against the weak, elderly or gang-raping due to racism as in what happens during ethnic wars). I'm just disappointed that for the most part, people might read a story about one of those other types of crimes and then turn the page without feeling that same level of disgust as we feel over something that didn't actually happen. This was a sting. There was actually no child in danger here. There would have been if this was a real situation (ie/ not a sting but really happened), but the point is, we're all pretty disgusted by this "mountie" who is supposed to protect children, but instead actually preying on them. But EVERY DAY somewhere in the world a woman is actually raped, and I just think that we should feel an equal amount of disgust for those situations.

[Lillooet_Hillbilly]

I liked the old batman approach years ago 

 

[riffraff]

16 minutes ago, ABNuck said:

True, good point. And maybe I was stretching it a bit with bullying and scams, but I was more thinking of the higher end of those types of crimes (ie/ bullying someone online into committing suicide, or in the realm of sexual crimes, committing them against the weak, elderly or gang-raping due to racism as in what happens during ethnic wars). I'm just disappointed that for the most part, people might read a story about one of those other types of crimes and then turn the page without feeling that same level of disgust as we feel over something that didn't actually happen. This was a sting. There was actually no child in danger here. There would have been if this was a real situation (ie/ not a sting but really happened), but the point is, we're all pretty disgusted by this "mountie" who is supposed to protect children, but instead actually preying on them. But EVERY DAY somewhere in the world a woman is actually raped, and I just think that we should feel an equal amount of disgust for those situations.

I think it's great that you have the compassion you do.  

 

Imo society has always looked at child crimes as the lowest.  And imo most people consider children to be the most vulnerable and therefore have an instinctive protective mindset.

 

i was watching some war related news documentary stories the other night and I learned that cluster bombs have been made "illegal" due to the fact that many of the explosives remain undetonated and children finding them and being blown up was a main reason for this legislation.

 

quite interesting that in the evil of warfare, the life of an innocent can be considered.  Anyway, sort of a left field example of what I'm saying in regards to how the world views crimes/injustices towards children.

[Realtor Rod]

2 hours ago, ABNuck said:

I respect your opinion...BUT...it does emphasize a problem with our society, a desensitization if you will. We are ALL appalled by individuals who perpetrate these particular types of crimes. But the sad point is, we should feel the same way about EVERY predator, not just the ones who prey on children. People who prey on the elderly, the weak, people of different ethnicity or any form of racism, anyone who bullies someone, someone who rapes and takes away the dignity of another etc etc etc. We MUST be disgusted by ALL of these types of people. To say that pedophiles are the worst is somehow making the rest of them somewhat less. Even criminals in prison have a special disgust for pedophiles...and again that is a problem. All of society should and must be disgusted by all of the types I mentioned about. I'm not diminishing the disgust we must feel towards pedophiles, I want to ELEVATE the disgust we should feel against ALL of the similar types of perpetrators.

Children cannot defend themselves and their innocence can never be recovered. Sorry, sexual crimes against children are the worst on the planet. Its on a different level.

[Realtor Rod]

2 hours ago, ABNuck said:

True, good point. And maybe I was stretching it a bit with bullying and scams, but I was more thinking of the higher end of those types of crimes (ie/ bullying someone online into committing suicide, or in the realm of sexual crimes, committing them against the weak, elderly or gang-raping due to racism as in what happens during ethnic wars). I'm just disappointed that for the most part, people might read a story about one of those other types of crimes and then turn the page without feeling that same level of disgust as we feel over something that didn't actually happen. This was a sting. There was actually no child in danger here. There would have been if this was a real situation (ie/ not a sting but really happened), but the point is, we're all pretty disgusted by this "mountie" who is supposed to protect children, but instead actually preying on them. But EVERY DAY somewhere in the world a woman is actually raped, and I just think that we should feel an equal amount of disgust for those situations.

Sorry again, but the crime was committed. This cop thought he was talking to an underaged girl and although I didnt read or listen through to the end I assume solicitation of a minor occured with the intent for sex. You think this was his first time? I would beat him to an inch of his life... 

[smokes]

8 hours ago, ABNuck said:

I respect your opinion...BUT...it does emphasize a problem with our society, a desensitization if you will. We are ALL appalled by individuals who perpetrate these particular types of crimes. But the sad point is, we should feel the same way about EVERY predator, not just the ones who prey on children. People who prey on the elderly, the weak, people of different ethnicity or any form of racism, anyone who bullies someone, someone who rapes and takes away the dignity of another etc etc etc. We MUST be disgusted by ALL of these types of people. To say that pedophiles are the worst is somehow making the rest of them somewhat less. Even criminals in prison have a special disgust for pedophiles...and again that is a problem. All of society should and must be disgusted by all of the types I mentioned about. I'm not diminishing the disgust we must feel towards pedophiles, I want to ELEVATE the disgust we should feel against ALL of the similar types of perpetrators.

Children should always come first, I don't normally support the death penalty but with child molesters, I would happily make an exception.

[terrible.dee]

Nobody really gets how dangerous letting this creep catchers thing go on is, do they?

 

This is a group of private citizens who are placing themselves in the most holy of moral high ground: the outraged citizen looking down on the pedophilic scum.

 

I maintain that these people are motivated by the high they get from positioning their egos in the aforementioned spot, not the desire to reduce sex-related crime.

 

Where is the most damage done via sex crimes? From both an individual and societal standpoint? I think it's a no-brainer that rape by a stranger takes the #1 spot. Can this crime be curbed through public effort? Probably, Spreading info on how to reduce your chances of being a victim would be one place to start. Flyering high schools, universities, along with internet and TV spots would all help people think twice before getting into potentially dangerous situations. Raising awareness about areas of concern such as the woods in UBC, or even organizing some patrols would certainly discourage potential offenders. How about operating a call service for women (or men) who feel they are being stalked by individuals who have yet to do enough to get the cops interested? Then they wouldn't have to wait to be assaulted before Vancouver's finest (HAHAHA) get involved. They could send patrols to the homes of those who feel threatened. A "Stalker watch" service that would end most instances before any real damage could be done. How about nightclubs? When they let out they could have people there offering rides to anyone who is overly intoxicated and not with friends they trust?

 

Now, think about who exactly the potential victims "Creep watch" are? These are not pedophiles, they can't be. What kid (And by that I mean prepubescent) trolls around the internet all day flirting with adults hoping to sneak off and meet one? NONE! ZERO!  Kids don't do that, pedophiles who actually go after kids are pretty much exclusively relatives or close family friends. "Creep watch" would have no effect whatsoever on real child molesters and how they operate

 

So who ARE they going after? Well on one side you have "Wild" teenagers. kids who like to party under the age of 18, and on the other side you have Horny dudes trawling the net looking to get laid, or maybe dudes not looking to catch a fish, but not willing to throw one back if it jumps in their boat either.

 

If you are going to be totally honest for a second and get off your high horse, My guess is that those two groups include EVERYONE on this forum (Girls too can fit either description) 

 

In New Jersey the age of consent is 16, in other countries it is lower than that. Post puberty restrictions on the ability to give consent are relative to your zip code. Arbitrary numbers made up by some long gone politician, I wouldn't be surprised if some of your grandparents turned out to have actually been "Pedophilic monsters" while attempting to produce your parents. Your great grandparents almost certainly were. Would you have liked "Creep watch" to bust in on them while they were working on your parents?

 

Where ever you fall on that side of the debate matters little, what matters is that the crime it'self may not be a crime at all depending on where you live, and if that's the case.......

 

....THEN THE CRIME ISN'T A SERIOUS ONE!! Get this through your head: TEENAGERS LIKE SEX FEMALE ONES TOO!!

So this brings us full circle back to where we were trying to establish who exactly "Creep watch" will be having an effect on, in light of what I've presented I think we can rule out real child molesters or innocent victims. A crime involving these parties (And it is a horrible crime when it happens) will not find it's genesis in the area "Creep Watch" currently patroles. The real child molesters and psychopathic rapists have nothing to fear from this group. 

 

So assuming someone at Creep Watch has an IQ above 50, none of this would have been hard for them to figure out. So then, What is their motive? If it can't be hindering sex-criminals then why are they doing this?

 

The fact that I'm writing this and you are reading it makes the answer obvious. 

 

The human ego LOVES the moral high ground, some scientific research shows it can have an effect similar to Cocaine on the brain's neurotransmitters. Any opportunity to look down your nose at THEM is an opportunity to get high.  And if you know that their faults are so grievous that any faults you have would be forgiven in comparison, then all the better. It's called scapegoating and I encourage you to seek out some scholarly articles on it. It is an archetype common to all cultures that has everything to do sacrificing another so your wrongdoings  never come to trial.

 

Creep Watch isn't preventing sex-crime, They are jacking off to their own selfies. Whether you decide to tickle their 'nads for them while they re at it is up to you. But beware, because if that someday falls under their self-appointed mandate or if they are desperate for thier next hit of moral supremicy, it could be YOU who winds up with an eyeful of people-putty.