mrtrip8 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I do believe Virtanen is the dark horse coming into this season. At 18 he wasn't ready. His stats are good he has great speed. I feel he is a 30 plus goal guy within 2 years all the while throwing great hits and getting into the corners like a real power forward. If he gets to be half of what he should be we have a top line power forward every team dreams about. I hope he is working hard to get there. We will see soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 It's impossible not to love the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Virtanen was 19 last year and you seriously need to have more substance than this to create a new thread. This post could have gone in the Virtanen thread. Now you have made me go all Elvis on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtrip8 Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said: It's impossible not to love the guy. He still looks like a kid. Maybe not intimidating to other players but he will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I think Boeser is more likely to be by 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.53 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 5 hours ago, Toews said: Virtanen was 19 last year and you seriously need to have more substance than this to create a new thread. This post could have gone in the Virtanen thread. Now you have made me go all Elvis on you. Chill. He's new. Not that big of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'm hoping we see horvat like progression and he ends up with 15g 20a for 35 points. If he is in great shape and is coming in at 225lbs, it should be possible. We need him to become that big scoring winger sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 The good thing is that Boeser and Virtanen should push eachother to be as good as possible. Boeser in my eyes plays like Oshie where as Virtanen has a more unique skill set somewhere between Carter, Lucic, and Doan. Carter had 42 points in his 20-21 aged year Lucic had 42 points in his 20-21 aged year Doan had 11 points in 33 NHL games at 20-21 and 42 points in 39 NHL games Seeing Virtanen hit a 30 to 40 point pace this year would be a very nice indicator of his ceiling being a top line forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, Derp... said: The good thing is that Boeser and Virtanen should push eachother to be as good as possible. Boeser in my eyes plays like Oshie where as Virtanen has a more unique skill set somewhere between Carter, Lucic, and Doan. Carter had 42 points in his 20-21 aged year Lucic had 42 points in his 20-21 aged year Doan had 11 points in 33 NHL games at 20-21 and 42 points in 39 NHL games Seeing Virtanen hit a 30 to 40 point pace this year would be a very nice indicator of his ceiling being a top line forward. Opportunity to play PP, and with offensive players, and role effects points too though, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Welcome to the forum, don't let mini mods get you down I believe Virt doesn't have the hockey IQ to be an elite forward but I do think he'll be a Raffi Torres (skill and hits, not suspensions) Not the best scenario for a sixth overall pick but still a good NHL player that's nice to have if you are contending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, TimberWolf said: Welcome to the forum, don't let mini mods get you down I believe Virt doesn't have the hockey IQ to be an elite forward but I do think he'll be a Raffi Torres (skill and hits, not suspensions) Not the best scenario for a sixth overall pick but still a good NHL player that's nice to have if you are contending. Well, your opinion is yours, but JV has hockey IQ that is extremely high, for the role he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowardrobertford Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 32 minutes ago, Alflives said: Opportunity to play PP, and with offensive players, and role effects points too though, right? It's virtanen who's game has to change too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Cowardrobertford said: It's virtanen who's game has to change too Much like Vey got all those opportunities the last two seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowardrobertford Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: Much like Vey got all those opportunities the last two seasons? Vey was more offensive minded than Virt though. Would actually do something and not just cross the puck waist high on the ice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Cowardrobertford said: Vey was more offensive minded than Virt though. Would actually do something and not just cross the puck waist high on the ice Why is Vey gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Well, your opinion is yours, but JV has hockey IQ that is extremely high, for the role he plays. Sure, if we redefine what hockey IQ is he can have as much as we want but in normal use of the term of high IQ he's just not one of those guys. Being able to line up a hit and shoot hard isn't enough, it's how you use your linemates and see the ice and predict how the play is going to change anywhere on the ice. I'm not saying he's at Sestito levels of low IQ or anything, just that Virt will always be one of those guys that never turns his toolset into something truly elite (and it's extremely rare to do so) big guys with high IQ are Jamie Benn. Virt is not one of those or has never shown an potential to be. I'm sure there are those that think I am insulting the kid or calling him a bust but he's one of the few people on the team I would consider untouchable except for a massive overpayment. Giving up on big guys that can shoot and hit and skate is like giving up on a pitcher that throws 96 mph. I just put him as a Raffi to slightly better Raffi and not a SeaBass when he peaks. Be happy to be wrong in the end and he's a consistent Bertuzzi for more then the small time Bert was Bert but even when the Isle gave up on him you could see bert had the high IQ that Virt doesn't. So I'll keep my expectations at a bigger Raffi Torres and be pleasantly surprised if he becomes something more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 2 hours ago, Mr.53 said: Chill. He's new. Not that big of a deal. Lol, gets a negative post for sticking up for an "Elvis lip lashing"worthy post .. oh CDC. How I love thee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, TimberWolf said: Sure, if we redefine what hockey IQ is he can have as much as we want but in normal use of the term of high IQ he's just not one of those guys. Being able to line up a hit and shoot hard isn't enough, it's how you use your linemates and see the ice and predict how the play is going to change anywhere on the ice. I'm not saying he's at Sestito levels of low IQ or anything, just that Virt will always be one of those guys that never turns his toolset into something truly elite (and it's extremely rare to do so) big guys with high IQ are Jamie Benn. Virt is not one of those or has never shown an potential to be. I'm sure there are those that think I am insulting the kid or calling him a bust but he's one of the few people on the team I would consider untouchable except for a massive overpayment. Giving up on big guys that can shoot and hit and skate is like giving up on a pitcher that throws 96 mph. I just put him as a Raffi to slightly better Raffi and not a SeaBass when he peaks. Be happy to be wrong in the end and he's a consistent Bertuzzi for more then the small time Bert was Bert but even when the Isle gave up on him you could see bert had the high IQ that Virt doesn't. So I'll keep my expectations at a bigger Raffi Torres and be pleasantly surprised if he becomes something more. I like the Torres comparison. I would be okay if he played like Raffi in his prime for a number of years. You definitely need those north south players just like you've stated. However I think Virtanens shot and speed is a lot better than Raffi's. If he can learn to be more of a trigger man or net front presence, we'll see Jakes point totals go up. He's clearly not a cycle or possession player. We'll count on him to skate it in and either shoot, drive to the net, or dump it. If he can learn to park that big butt in front of the net and clean up the garbage I think that's where he'll find his service best rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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