vancan2233 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 How would you put the lines together? DEFENCEMEN 54 Brisebois, Guillaume 68 Candella, Cole 70 Galipeau, Olivier* 48 Juolevi, Olli 61 McEneny, Evan 72 Neill, Carl 64 Olson, Tate 59 Sautner, Ashton 51 Stecher, Troy 71 Stewart, Mackenze 67 Subban, Jordan FORWARDS 49 Abols, Rodrigo 58 Carcone, Michael 52 Cassels, Cole 78 Coulter, Tyler* 41 D’Aoust, Alexis* 62 LaBate, Joe 74 Laplante, Yan-Pavel 73 Maksimovich, Kyle* 77 McKenzie, Brett 79 Moynihan, Danny* 57 Roy, Marc-Olivier* 34 Stukel, Jakob 43 Valk, Curtis 80 Zhukenov, Dmitry GOALTENDERS 35 Demko, Thatcher 75 Garteig, Michael 76 Parenteau, Rylan* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Avery Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 12 minutes ago, vancan2233 said: How would you put the lines together? DEFENCEMEN 54 Brisebois, Guillaume 68 Candella, Cole 70 Galipeau, Olivier* 48 Juolevi, Olli 61 McEneny, Evan 72 Neill, Carl 64 Olson, Tate 59 Sautner, Ashton 51 Stecher, Troy 71 Stewart, Mackenze 67 Subban, Jordan FORWARDS 49 Abols, Rodrigo 58 Carcone, Michael 52 Cassels, Cole 78 Coulter, Tyler* 41 D’Aoust, Alexis* 62 LaBate, Joe 74 Laplante, Yan-Pavel 73 Maksimovich, Kyle* 77 McKenzie, Brett 79 Moynihan, Danny* 57 Roy, Marc-Olivier* 34 Stukel, Jakob 43 Valk, Curtis 80 Zhukenov, Dmitry GOALTENDERS 35 Demko, Thatcher 75 Garteig, Michael 76 Parenteau, Rylan* Can't wait to see how Abols, Zhukenov, Brisebois, and Subban does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex425 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Our forward group seems weaker than last few years but our defense and goalie prospect pool looks way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 So is the Stewart trial as a winger over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles80 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Forward Lines Stukel Zukenov Carcone (all signed / drafted, Stuk and Zuk!) Laplante Cassells D'Aoust (D'aoust not signed but overager with hands, Nucks will want to see if he can make it in the AHL -if so could be the makings of a pretty hard line to play against in the AHL. All three have decent size, hands, and are hardworking) Mckenzie Valk Labate (all drafted/signed) Roy Abols Maksimovich (test line for all the FA's) Rest fill in Defense (I dont know right vs left so bare with me) Subban Mckenzie Brisbois Neill Juolevi Olsen Candella Stecher Rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numb3r 16 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Check out the prospects page, there a thread over there. Can't wait to see juolevi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles80 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 36 minutes ago, Rex425 said: Our forward group seems weaker than last few years but our defense and goalie prospect pool looks way better. Yes but we're missing a few in college too. We would look alot better with Boeser, Lockwood and 2 who really should have been in the AHL last year (Virt and McCann had we still had him) I think 2017 will be a big year of focusing on forwards in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex425 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 11 minutes ago, Nuckles80 said: Yes but we're missing a few in college too. We would look alot better with Boeser, Lockwood and 2 who really should have been in the AHL last year (Virt and McCann had we still had him) I think 2017 will be a big year of focusing on forwards in the draft Yeah, all of our good young forwards couldn't play which is unfortunate. I think just overall though our prospect pool is way better now than in like 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles80 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, Rex425 said: Yeah, all of our good young forwards couldn't play which is unfortunate. I think just overall though our prospect pool is way better now than in like 2012 Much better and I think by after next years draft, our forward cupboards will look relatively solid if Benning drafts the way he has over the last 2 years. I think the reason we felt we could give up McCann was really the issue of 'room'. We don't need him for another 3 years. And in that time we can draft another high potential center or 3! This year's draft is very deep at center in the first round so my guess is we're going to take the best center available with our first pick in 2017. Henrik has another 3 seasons in him at least (this one and 2 more are likely). Bo is young, Sutter is 27 so he has alot of years left, and then you need a 3/4c which McCann is not and those are easy to find as UFA's in the interim. Fill the C hole we have at #1 or #2 wherever you think Bo is not, and draft some wingers and we're looking pretty great long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 30 minutes ago, Nuckles80 said: Much better and I think by after next years draft, our forward cupboards will look relatively solid if Benning drafts the way he has over the last 2 years. I think the reason we felt we could give up McCann was really the issue of 'room'. We don't need him for another 3 years. And in that time we can draft another high potential center or 3! This year's draft is very deep at center in the first round so my guess is we're going to take the best center available with our first pick in 2017. Henrik has another 3 seasons in him at least (this one and 2 more are likely). Bo is young, Sutter is 27 so he has alot of years left, and then you need a 3/4c which McCann is not and those are easy to find as UFA's in the interim. Fill the C hole we have at #1 or #2 wherever you think Bo is not, and draft some wingers and we're looking pretty great long term I agree with you on this but would say we need to aim for a top line centre this coming draft to truly make our prospect pool good. Asking Horvat to become our future 1C is a little much and wingers are much easier to acquire via trade or free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles80 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 On 9/10/2016 at 10:37 PM, RetroCanuck said: I agree with you on this but would say we need to aim for a top line centre this coming draft to truly make our prospect pool good. Asking Horvat to become our future 1C is a little much and wingers are much easier to acquire via trade or free agency. I think the area in bold is actually a bit naive. 1. Bo has outscored both Henrik and Kesler in his first 2 years in the NHL. I think people really don't realize how good this kid is on a relative basis. I am not sure why, perhaps they think all #1 centers come into the league like McDavid or Crosby and fail to realize that's not the case, that players like that are actually the minority - most develop over time into the 1c role. Perhaps people lean on the idea of 'what they are pegged as' is their ceiling vs looking at their play? Henrik was pegged as a number 1 even though for 3 years he looked like he may not even be an NHL'er (so it was considered his ceiling). Bo looks like a 27 yr old second line center at 20 yrs old (but he's not pegged as a first line center, he's pegged as a 2c/3c but he's already reached that level so why wouldn't he improve?), yet oddly people say he's not capable of being a number one (or unlikely but he's already exceeding expectations) - see the irony? It seems perception is driving many people's reality vs actual reality! 2. He has also played a larger role and has had a larger impact than Henrik did in his first 2 years. 3. He has come in with the poise and similar type of play as Linden in his first few years 4. Many here equate ability with 'draft position and what the 'pundits' said at the draft. This is naive, players develop over time and few players actually come in and have an impact like Bo that early. 5. Will he be the 'same type of 1c' (if he gets there) as Henrik - no not a chance. But can he be a 70-75 pt player? Can he be in the mold of Toews (who is a 1c and not a high scorer), or Bergeron, Linden, or Kopitar light? He certainly appears to be capable of reaching those levels People need to move past the idea of what you see now is all he will be. If that were the case the twins would be playing in Europe (post their first THREE years in the NHL), Kesler would have maxed out as a 3c, Burrows would have played his career in the ECHL and would be playing beer league somewhere now etc etc. I see a 20 yr old kid who's our best faceoff man, plays like a bull in a china shop, is a better backchecker than last year showed, plays a heavy game, is turning into a great skater from average, and put up 40 pts in 1/2 a season with little PP time (as his first 1/2 was awful), and was placed in a role over his head. To me, I don't think saying he's a potential number 1 is unrealistic, given his talent, trajectory, and work ethic/character. In fact, had he not had such a slow start last year (partly I would think by trying to adjust to his new role and pressure of 2c), he would have had similar first 2 year numbers to Monohan and Scheifle. In fact he's dead on the same pace as Scheifle. I think most would agree both of those guys are number 1 centers! And I think he brings more than both of them in his all around game and leadership! Now, I don't disagree it would be great to find a Henrik clone (set up man) / guaranteed pure #1 points producer who's going to give you 90 -100 pts a year- a 'superstar'. But unless you're drafting in the top 5, the chances of finding those are slim (and usually top 2), unless you get lucky deeper in the first round (aka Giroux etc). My expectation is we will draft a C first round but he will be similar to Bo (assuming we're not drafting as high as we did this year, and probably in the 8-14 spot) and we'll have 2 very solid centers who may not be flashy but will be 70 pt players which makes lines 1 and 2 very tough to stop as other teams won't know who to focus on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceGeorgeGoon Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 The Jacob stukel highlight video lends me to think this guy is going to be an NHLer. Ok God! I'll post it. https://youtu.be/EbAsQ-L6DTE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murph777 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 37 minutes ago, Nuckles80 said: I think the area in bold is actually a bit naive. 1. Bo has outscored both Henrik and Kesler in his first 2 years in the NHL. I think people really don't realize how good this kid is on a relative basis. I am not sure why, perhaps they think all #1 centers come into the league like McDavid or Crosby and fail to realize that's not the case, that players like that are actually the minority - most develop over time into the 1c role. Perhaps people lean on the 'idea of what they are pegged as' is their ceiling vs looking at their play? Henrik was pegged as a number 1 even though for 3 years he looked like he may not even be an NHL'er (so it was considered his ceiling). Bo looks like a 27 yr old second line center at 20 yrs old (but he's not pegged as a first line center), yet people say he's not capable of being a number one (or unlikely) - see the irony? It seems perception is driving many people's reality vs actual reality! 2. He has also played a larger role and had a larger impact than Henrik in his first 2 years. 3. He has come in with the poise and similar type of play has Linden 4. Many here equate ability with 'draft position and what the 'pundits' said at the draft. This is naive, players develop over time and few players actually come in and have an impact like Bo that early. 5. Will he be the 'same type of 1c' (if he gets there) as Henrik - no not a chance. But can he be a 70-75 pt player? Can he be in the mold of Toews (who is a 1c and not a high scorer), or Bergeron, Linden, or Kopitar light? He certainly appears to be capable of reaching those levels People need to move past the idea of what you see now is all he will be. If that were the case the twins would be playing in Europe (post their first THREE years in the NHL), Kesler would have maxed out as a 3c, Burrows would have played his career in the ECHL and would be playing beer league somewhere now etc etc. I see a 20 yr old kid who's our best faceoff man, plays like a bull in a china shop, is a better backchecker than last year showed, plays a heavy game, is turning into a great skater from average, and put up 40 pts in 1/2 a season with little PP time (as his first 1/2 was awful), and was placed in a role over his head. To me, I don't think saying he's a potential number 1 is unrealistic, given his talent, trajectory, and work ethic/character. In fact, had he not had such a slow start last year (partly I would think by trying to adjust to his new role and pressure of 2c), he would have similar first 2 year numbers to Monohan and Scheifle. In fact he's dead on the same pace as Scheifle. I think most would agree both of those guys are number 1 centers! And I think he brings more than both of them in his all around game and leadership! Now, I don't disagree it would be great to find a Henrik clone (set up man) / guaranteed pure #1 points producer who's going to give you 90 -100 pts a year- a 'superstar'. But unless you're drafting in the top 5, the chances of finding those are slim (and usually top 2), unless you get lucky deeper in the first round (aka Giroux etc). My expectation is we will draft a C first round but he will be similar to Bo (assuming we're not drafting as high as we did this year, and probably in the 8-14 spot) and we'll have 2 very solid centers who may not be flashy but will be 70 pt players which makes lines 1 and 2 very tough to stop as other teams won't know who to focus on. I agree with this, Bo reminds me of a Towes type of first line Center. Defensively responsible allowing his wingers to push the offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceGeorgeGoon Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Our defensive standouts will be in this order. 1) juolevi, 2) stetcher, 3) Subban. Forwards. 1)Stukel , 2)Mckenzie, 3) Laplante . I do not suspect Gartieg to supplant Demko as the top prospect goalie. Dark horses Abols , Briesbois, Cassells.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles80 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 21 minutes ago, PrinceGeorgeGoon said: Our defensive standouts will be in this order. 1) juolevi, 2) stetcher, 3) Subban. Forwards. 1)Stukel , 2)Mckenzie, 3) Laplante . I do not suspect Gartieg to supplant Demko as the top prospect goalie. Dark horses Abols , Briesbois, Cassells.. You seem to really discount experience! lol You're assuming kids who've never even played vs AHL players to outperform AHL players who have shown strong improvement in 2 years??! (ie subban) This would make more sense when factoring in the reality that experience actually makes a difference in a player's performance! lol Subban Juolevi Brisbois Stecher (only because Juolevi has at least played against the 'best of the best' at his level where Stecher has not) Cassells Laplante Stukel Mckenzie Demko vs Garteig they are not even in the same zip code of talent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 D and goaltending is good, forward group is pretty awful. Late picks and signings mostly, none of them have really exceeded expectations this far. Sucks that no Boeser or Lockwood playing. Why isn't Gaunce or Virtanen in the tourney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Forward Lines Roy Cassels Valk Stukel Labate Zukenov Laplante Mckenzie Carcone D'Aoust Abols Maksimovich Coulter Moynihan Juolevi Stecher Sautner Subban Olsen Neill Candella Galipeau Stewart Demko Garteig Paranteau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 15 hours ago, Sean Avery said: Can't wait to see how Abols, Zhukenov, Brisebois, and Subban does. Subban needs a legit shot this year. I really hope he gets it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 It will be nice to go and watch some hockey. Abols , D'Aoust , Carcone , Stukel will all be interesting to see. Stukel is the one that I am most intrigued about. He is a player who seems to have a real nose for the net. Getting traded to Calgary seem to light him up and show case his skills. It used to be a waist of time to pay attention to low end draft picks but with Benning, I now follow them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 16 hours ago, vancan2233 said: How would you put the lines together? DEFENCEMEN 54 Brisebois, Guillaume 68 Candella, Cole 70 Galipeau, Olivier* 48 Juolevi, Olli 61 McEneny, Evan 72 Neill, Carl 64 Olson, Tate 59 Sautner, Ashton 51 Stecher, Troy 71 Stewart, Mackenze 67 Subban, Jordan FORWARDS 49 Abols, Rodrigo 58 Carcone, Michael 52 Cassels, Cole 78 Coulter, Tyler* 41 D’Aoust, Alexis* 62 LaBate, Joe 74 Laplante, Yan-Pavel 73 Maksimovich, Kyle* 77 McKenzie, Brett 79 Moynihan, Danny* 57 Roy, Marc-Olivier* 34 Stukel, Jakob 43 Valk, Curtis 80 Zhukenov, Dmitry GOALTENDERS 35 Demko, Thatcher 75 Garteig, Michael 76 Parenteau, Rylan* Perhaps the worst forward group we have ever iced in any prospects game ever the D corps looks good tho Juolevi- Subban Brisebois - Stetcher Neil - Olson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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