Twilight Sparkle Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 7 hours ago, SabreFan1 said: Typical Russian hockey player. It amazes me that the Red Wings have such good luck with them. it's simple: don't take the minute maid fruit punch away! when will coaches learn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 VAN Nyshushkin DAL Hansen Gaunce Subban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Negotiating tactic? Does he have out clause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Good..a little bit of karmic retribution for dicking us around on the Hamhuis deal at the TDL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Honky Cat said: Good..a little bit of karmic retribution for dicking us around on the Hamhuis deal at the TDL.... Yes. Those two isolated events are brought together by Karma; the stuff that'll get you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, Me_ said: VAN Nyshushkin DAL Hansen Gaunce Subban .......really? 1 minute ago, Me_ said: Yes. Those two isolated events are brought together by Karma; the stuff that'll get you back. You deserve karmic retribution for that trade proposal you just made. A free asset leaving the club you offer them our best role player and two of our best NHL or near NHL ready prospects. Shameful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Quick benning trade a 5th for his rights maybe after 2 years in rusaia he will want to come back to the nhl. If not meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 8 hours ago, Toews said: I think he isn't happy with his role on the team. They are the highest scoring team in the league and they really don't need his offensive talents enough to make adjustments for him. I like this move for both sides. Nichushkin's hasn't progressed like everyone has expected. Maybe going back home might help him reach his potential. The Stars won't really miss him, they will retain his rights and hope that some time in Russia will do him some good. Far too many Russian kids struggle to adapt to life in NA. The culture, language, size of the ice or even the style of play is vastly different from our own. If you look at some of the best young Russians they are guys who stayed in Russia till they were truly ready like Kuznetsov, Panarin and Tarasenko. Compare them to guys like Grigorenko and Yakupov who flamed out despite being more highly touted than any of those guys. I think it's time the CHL start looking into whether it is actually beneficial to bring in these Russian kids at such an early age. Respectfully, when Russian prospect flees his NHL organization, it is not a positve. A top ten pick to boot. I Differ with your wording, This is not a positive situation, but it could have a silver lining, if a lot of things fall into place. Big if, Nick's weaknesses are mostly away from the puck. It takes development to fix, with a structure from top to bottom working for the player. This is the farm system working in tandem with the parent club. One of Dallas's strengths. The fact that they have such a good development system, it is troubling to see such a high pick eschew it for the KHL. Will the CSKA sacrifice on ice production to make his game more NHL compatible? How did the Wolves work with developing our young players? Why would it be any different for the CSKA? EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 59 minutes ago, TheRussianRocket. said: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA lmaoooo ...I remember when parts of cdc were crying when we picked Horvat over this dud. Suck it you pretend know-it-alls. FWIW it was only 3 years ago Jagr said Nichushkin would be the best player in the world and those same people cried even more for having drafted Bo Edit: bring on the butthurt minuses!!! Aren't we a tad obnoxious today... I gave you a +1 to even you out and to get you out of the red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Phooey Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 5 hours ago, Rush17 said: Could see Nichushkin traded. But the only way a team pays anything decent is if they can agree too a contract prior to the t trade occurring. That is going too put dallas in a tough place without question. That's what conditional trades are for...trade for the guy. If he signs within 12 months of being free from KHL contract the team acquiring Nicushkin gives Dallas a second...if he doesn't sign, they get a sixth or a seventh. Player remains property of the team acquiring him no matter what after the trade until such time he becomes a UFA under CBA. Just keep giving him QO to tie him up as an RFA until he becomes a UFA by the time he's a hundred years old (okay, that last bit is an exageration). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Respectfully, when Russian prospect flees his NHL organization, it is not a positve. A top ten pick to boot. I Differ with your wording, This is not a positive situation, but it could have a silver lining, if a lot of things fall into place. Big if, Nick's weaknesses are mostly away from the puck. It takes development to fix, with a structure from top to bottom working for the player. This is the farm system working in tandem with the parent club. One of Dallas's strengths. The fact that they have such a good development system, it is troubling to see such a high pick eschew it for the KHL. Will the CSKA sacrifice on ice production to make his game more NHL compatible? How did the Wolves work with developing our young players? Why would it be any different for the CSKA? EW Why exactly is it negative? He isn't playing up to his potential. He isn't getting minutes from Ruff either and the Stars are the highest scoring team in the league. He obviously thinks he needs more development. The KHL is the second best league in the world and has done wonders for the careers of many players like Kuznetsov, Panarin, Tarasenko and now Buchnevich. Now check out the list of Russians that have struggled by coming to NA too early. Many of them head back to try and resurrect their career where they were most successful and have the comforts of home. Was Rodin going to Sweden a negative? This isn't an uncommon situation. Players come to NA for their dream of playing in the NHL, they don't play up to expectations and eventually head back home and plan on making a comeback when they think they are ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Toews said: Why exactly is it negative? He isn't playing up to his potential. He isn't getting minutes from Ruff either and the Stars are the highest scoring team in the league. He obviously thinks he needs more development. The KHL is the second best league in the world and has done wonders for the careers of many players like Kuznetsov, Panarin, Tarasenko and now Buchnevich. Now check out the list of Russians that have struggled by coming to NA too early. Many of them head back to try and resurrect their career where they were most successful and have the comforts of home. Was Rodin going to Sweden a negative? This isn't an uncommon situation. Players come to NA for their dream of playing in the NHL, they don't play up to expectations and eventually head back home and plan on making a comeback when they think they are ready. He's a big guy too. Those guys usually take a bit longer to develop I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Stars targeted Denis Guryanov in the draft last year, and just signed him. Nill said the Russian factor - getting to play with Nichushkin - played a part in that decision. Meanwhile Guryanov scored 5 points in 47 games for his first KHL season, and Nichushkin is running home with his tail between his legs... ...oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 8 hours ago, Me_ said: Re-read all the posts in the thread. The hate theme is through the roof. Haters hating haters. And you're hating haters hating haters :D And I'm hating haters hating haters hating haters. You might be hating a hater hating you for hating haters hating haters. I've officially ruined the word hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 hour ago, D-Money said: Stars targeted Denis Guryanov in the draft last year, and just signed him. Nill said the Russian factor - getting to play with Nichushkin - played a part in that decision. Meanwhile Guryanov scored 5 points in 47 games for his first KHL season, and Nichushkin is running home with his tail between his legs... ...oops. Maybe the guy misses his home, family, friends, and things familiar? He can make similar money playing at home, so why stay here if he's not happy? Yes, we drafted the right guy in Bo. That's clear, but the other kid is a good player, who we heard about wanting to go play back at home from very early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Maybe the guy misses his home, family, friends, and things familiar? He can make similar money playing at home, so why stay here if he's not happy? Yes, we drafted the right guy in Bo. That's clear, but the other kid is a good player, who we heard about wanting to go play back at home from very early on. To have your name put alongside some of the all-time greats to have ever played game: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckGAME Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 5 hours ago, Me_ said: VAN Nyshushkin DAL Hansen Gaunce Subban Smoke another fatty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 9 hours ago, DeNiro said: It was always Horvat vs Domi for me for who we should have drafted, I never wanted Nichushkin. I'm so glad we took Horvat though. I still remember people going nuts on here when he scored a nice goal in preseason. This was always going to be the risk throughout this guys career. The warning signs were there right from the beginning when he said he wanted to be in the NHL or he would go back to Russia. Only pick Russians that are willing to come over and play in the CHL or work on their game in the A. Tryamkin said Nhl or Russia no AHL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 8 minutes ago, Outsiders said: Tryamkin said Nhl or Russia no AHL... That is money based though. Not cause he wouldn't actually play in Utica if he was still making 1M. Gotta support the fam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 17 minutes ago, Outsiders said: Tryamkin said Nhl or Russia no AHL... He didn't need time in the AHL. He already developed playing top 4 minutes in the KHL. I'm fine with players developing overseas, I'm not fine with 18 and 19 year olds trying to call the shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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