JeremyCuddles Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 You Bo lovers aren't gonna be laughing when he comes back in 2 years and wins the Rocket Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 7 hours ago, Toews said: Why exactly is it negative? He isn't playing up to his potential. He isn't getting minutes from Ruff either and the Stars are the highest scoring team in the league. He obviously thinks he needs more development. The KHL is the second best league in the world and has done wonders for the careers of many players like Kuznetsov, Panarin, Tarasenko and now Buchnevich. Now check out the list of Russians that have struggled by coming to NA too early. Many of them head back to try and resurrect their career where they were most successful and have the comforts of home. Was Rodin going to Sweden a negative? This isn't an uncommon situation. Players come to NA for their dream of playing in the NHL, they don't play up to expectations and eventually head back home and plan on making a comeback when they think they are ready. It could have a silver lining, like I said in my reply, but this is not an ideal situation for a top ten pick. All the other Russian players you mentioned took time to develop in the KHL prior to coming over. There is not many examples of players doing what Nick is doing and it working out. Rodin was on the scrap heap, he is a long shot that may pay off, likely won't. Outliers are always there, but you could hardly say the Rodin's development was handled well. Nick called his shot and now is doing the same with heading back to the KHL. By giving in to a draft pick, the Stars likely rushed him. They should have let him stay over seas as a draft pick. Silver lining, he is still eligible for the expansion draft, maybe Las Vegas takes his rights. He could figure things out in the KHL and come back to the NHL, but I don't think this is a what the Stars wanted from their top ten pick. EW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbanezRG Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Well my proposals a few months ago of Virt for Nuch just lost all credibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Deal is now official - has been announced on their website: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbox Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 3 Years ago yesterday, I posted in the Nichushkin thread saying "Wait 5 years and he'll be the best player in the KHL". LOL this guy had "bolt to KHL" written all over him since the day he was drafted. Was so relieved when we didn't pick him. @TheRussianRocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 12 hours ago, Toews said: Why exactly is it negative? He isn't playing up to his potential. He isn't getting minutes from Ruff either and the Stars are the highest scoring team in the league. He obviously thinks he needs more development. The KHL is the second best league in the world and has done wonders for the careers of many players like Kuznetsov, Panarin, Tarasenko and now Buchnevich. Now check out the list of Russians that have struggled by coming to NA too early. Many of them head back to try and resurrect their career where they were most successful and have the comforts of home. Was Rodin going to Sweden a negative? This isn't an uncommon situation. Players come to NA for their dream of playing in the NHL, they don't play up to expectations and eventually head back home and plan on making a comeback when they think they are ready. It's definitely a negative for the stars. Stars are in their teams prime, right now is their best time to being going after the cup. Nichuskin was part of their plan this year. Even trading him for an asset to help them win now could have also been part of their plan. Mike Heika felt the stars were pursuing a bigger move with him and the Hudler signing was them being preemptive. So for the stars, This move doesn't help his trade value. This move doesn't help the stars get any closer to winning a cup over the next two years. This move doesn't help the respect of his teammates. This move doesn't help the respect of his fans. This move doesn't help out the Stars in any way. I'll be shocked that if one day he does return to the NHL, that it's with the Stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 20 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: It's definitely a negative for the stars. Stars are in their teams prime, right now is their best time to being going after the cup. Nichuskin was part of their plan this year. Even trading him for an asset to help them win now could have also been part of their plan. Mike Heika felt the stars were pursuing a bigger move with him and the Hudler signing was them being preemptive. So for the stars, This move doesn't help his trade value. This move doesn't help the stars get any closer to winning a cup over the next two years. This move doesn't help the respect of his teammates. This move doesn't help the respect of his fans. This move doesn't help out the Stars in any way. I'll be shocked that if one day he does return to the NHL, that it's with the Stars. I definitely think that he's done with Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 3 hours ago, mll said: Deal is now official - has been announced on their website: Come on NHL out-clause and playing hardball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 31 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: It's definitely a negative for the stars. Stars are in their teams prime, right now is their best time to being going after the cup. Nichuskin was part of their plan this year. Even trading him for an asset to help them win now could have also been part of their plan. Mike Heika felt the stars were pursuing a bigger move with him and the Hudler signing was them being preemptive. So for the stars, This move doesn't help his trade value. This move doesn't help the stars get any closer to winning a cup over the next two years. This move doesn't help the respect of his teammates. This move doesn't help the respect of his fans. This move doesn't help out the Stars in any way. I'll be shocked that if one day he does return to the NHL, that it's with the Stars. Why would his teammates lose respect for him when he wasn't under contract and was free to sign with whomever he chose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 38 minutes ago, Toews said: Why would his teammates lose respect for him when he wasn't under contract and was free to sign with whomever he chose? Because his teammates want win. Him pouting about a coach and deciding to play in Russia doesn't help that. Fleeing from your issue doesn't earn respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Russian players bolting to the KHL is nothing new,but you have to wonder if NHL GM's are now going to be a bit leery about drafting them with their 1st overall....especially players directly from Russia....There is always a risk element there..IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Sure glad Gillis had that no drafting Russians policy in 2013. I always knew Bo was the right pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 4 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Because his teammates want win. Him pouting about a coach and deciding to play in Russia doesn't help that. Fleeing from your issue doesn't earn respect. He is making what he believes is the best decision for his career. If there are people that can't understand that, it's their problem. Why should Nichushkin put the Stars "winning" above his career? Would the Stars place his development above winning? Pretty sure we already have the answer to that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, Toews said: He is making what he believes is the best decision for his bank account. If there are people that can't understand that, it's their problem. Why should Nichushkin put the Stars "winning" above his paycheck? Would the Stars place his contract terms above winning? Pretty sure we already have the answer to that question. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Fixed. He is being paid 1.25M a year in the KHL. This isn't about the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, Toews said: He is being paid 1.25M a year in the KHL. This isn't about the money. The KHL has other "endorsement deals" that will bump that salary up. It is about money though because he's more likely to get paid big dollars in the KHL with more ice time. Once this two year contract is up he'll likely have the point totals to command a big paycheck and he'll have leverage over the stars. He wouldn't have been able to do that staying in Dallas. He probably won't become as good of a player either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 5 hours ago, Toews said: Why would his teammates lose respect for him when he wasn't under contract and was free to sign with whomever he chose? An RFA is not free to sign with anyone they choose... This does show a lack of commitment to making the NHL. Nick is taking the easy road and I think he is done in Dallas. I cannot see Lindy Ruff digging his choice. Just imagine he he was a Canuck and Dallas drafted Bo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 14 minutes ago, DeNiro said: The KHL has other "endorsement deals" that will bump that salary up. It is about money though because he's more likely to get paid big dollars in the KHL with more ice time. Once this two year contract is up he'll likely have the point totals to command a big paycheck and he'll have leverage over the stars. He wouldn't have been able to do that staying in Dallas. He probably won't become as good of a player either. Or it could be about the coach who he has reportedly had problems with and whose contract also has two years left. At age 21 he is probably thinking about finding the best environment to develop his game rather than money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Toews said: Or it could be about the coach who he has reportedly had problems with and whose contract also has two years left. At age 21 he is probably thinking about finding the best environment to develop his game rather than money. God forbid he learn something from a coach with over 1400 games of NHL coaching experience. What a horrible environment to be coached in, I mean look how much he's suffocating Benn and Seguin's offensive game... This has all the signs of a young entitled player that doesn't wanna earn it. He wants a quick payday and the KHL is the best opportunity to do that. That's fine if that's what he's about, but lets not pretend this is on Lindy Ruff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Toews said: Or it could be about the coach who he has reportedly had problems with and whose contract also has two years left. At age 21 he is probably thinking about finding the best environment to develop his game rather than money. You honestly think this has to do with developing his game? Seriously? This is why 3 years ago when he was drafted people already said he'd bolt back to Russian. That's not because so many people know the future, but because it's this is the common Russian tactic, full fill my demand or I go back to Russia.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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