nuck luck Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Most of you said you stopped reading after I called benning/linden rookies at their new positions or I was upset with the firing of MG... In the future, maybe we should consider all points of view before we jump on any bandwagons. And for those of you who were open to listening to another opinion, I give you credit for being able to go through all this for the last few years....my hair would be ghostly white if I stayed on this site or followed this team (closely) with this group leading the way. Posted July 2, 2014 · Report post I'm happy to see that some members have finally started to question Benning/Linden instead of granting him unwarranted/unfathomable support for accomplishing nil... mediocrity. I know that both these guys are well thought of and have a long tenure in professional hockey, but they are still rookies in their new positions...I think it's better to see some results before boarding their "hooray" train. I was never happy with MG's firing and I think it was too early, considering the main person at fault was the owners for last years debacle....However, I did support Benning/Linden (cautiously) and wanted to give them a chance because they deserved that at the very least. I doubt anyone noticed, but I haven't posted on CDC much cause I really didn't have anything positive to say and, like I mentioned above, I wanted to give the new brass a chance... One thing I know for certain... and any Canuck fan should as well, is that MG can definitely have a vision and has shown proven that he knows what steps are necessary to obtain it. In quick fashion, he turned the Canucks around when he arrived, turned us into a powerhouse in the NHL and got us to the finals... no ifs, ands or buts here. FACT! MG did a great job and should be praised for what he's accomplished. To the many posters here who think they're being witty with snide derogatory comments ending with **cough (Gillis)**, you have no clue. I really feel that GMMG was fired prematurely and wished he was given at least 1 more year. At least until after the draft.... Back to Benning/Linden. After a new coach, the draft, a buyout, trades and FA signings.... Here's my breakdown and the way I see things thus far. Coach I like the hiring. However, I think these two put their eggs in one basket and wanted to wait on one guy since the beginning.... if WD decided to decline, we would be up sh!t creek without a paddle. I would have been just as happy with one or two other coaches that were available at the time... it was a huge gamble or B & L are far too indecisive. I just wish the owners would have let MG pick the coach last year... The Draft 6th, I like the first pick. I don't mind going for a player with big potential that at worst....might fall to the 3rd line, he's a local boy so that's also a bonus. A solid pick from what was available. However, some of the following picks afterwards are the ones I question... 24, Jared McCann - looks very promising and is a solid pick I think, for a team that need a 200 player with skills to center a line. But, this pick seems redundant to me since we have plenty of players like this as prospects already... and I'm pretty confident that a few of these prospects will play in the NHL. What we needed with this pick was somebody who has shown some potential to be an elite player with high-end skills....a boom or bust kinda guy, we need potential 1st line players. This is what our prospects are lacking....in my eyes, we have Shink (so happy he wasn't traded) and Jensen. Unless, B & L and have some secret plan to nab the 1st pick next year....I think we would be better off going for picks that have 1st line potential since we are loaded for the second line. 36, Thatcher Demco - Great goalie. Again....good pick for a team who is short on goalie prospects. We had an early pick in the second round and we use it to pick up ANOTHER goalie? We are up to our ears in great goalie prospects and I think this pick was wasted, now we're drowning and we only have options to throw a great prospect overboard. We got a great coach who is proven, but goalies take years and they are high-risk.... and isn't one player who needed surgery enough? 66, Nikita Tryamkin - Huge guy. If this pick turns out as planned than we made the steal of the draft... However, he was passed over twice and I don't think he was on too many GM's radar, couldn't we have picked him up a little later in the draft? I don't mind this pick but I think it was done too early... 126, 156 and 186 - a small D man with skills...but we have someone similar with higher potential (Subban). A huge C who had surgery and needs developing...but we have someone similar with Lain (minus the surgery). A huge D man...don't know much about the guy except that he's HUGE. I think the picks were OK....but only that. I would have preferred GMMG to make this years selection since he hit a homerun with it last year.... He had a vision and he was following through with it and might have picked up players that he envisioned we were lacking. Players with elite skills and potential... I thought that size & skill was already addressed when he picked up Kass, Lain, Bo, Gaunce, etc....and he would have been determined to address the combo of speed & elite skills this year (yes, we have JV now....but we still come up short in this area). Buyout From my point of view.... we had a fast player with size that played great with Kass on the 3rd! Sure, he was paid too much, but with the cap space that we had have had (now after Miller) he would have been fine for another year... Instead, we bought him out and replaced Booth with some players that we picked up trading a 2nd round pick for? Or was it to bring in Miller? (hate this signing). Why not just keep Booth... have him play with Kass and let Kass build some more confidence with Booth and sign him next year at a reasonable price? This way, we could have kept the pick that we traded and used it for the promising Dman that the Kings picked up....or any other players with potential? Leaving us with a promising big 3rd line pairing with past chemistry and a great prospect D man... Instead, we replaced Booth with a player we picked up in a trade.... and have no prospects to show for it? The 50th pick seems a little high to me seeing how Gagne was worth a 6th round pick? Maybe it's not the 50th pick to replace Booth but... Couldn't we have picked up a guy in FA? Don't like this move at all....not my money I know. Booth was fine for the 3rd line....we had the cap space so why buy him out? We seem to be back-logging ourselves with middle-line players... Trades I am on the fence with the trades.... nothing great and nothing bad. Just ho-hum with them... It seems that B & L were a little hasty though....trying to make their mark on this team with some big moves and focusing on that alone. This is not always a good thing... if done without perspective. Yes, the NM or NT clauses effected them, but for any person in the "KNOW"... and you only need to google search to be in the "KNOW", the Canucks were on par with most teams that had NT or NM clauses. I am absolutely against trading any high picks away for prospects/players who are gonna play on our second or 3rd lines! We are giving our current prospects no chance to actually play if we keep picking up similar players through trades of our valued picks in the draft... WE NEED TO FOCUS ON TOP LINE PLAYERS, FORWARDS OR DMEN. The ONE thing that I am absolutely positive about is that if GMMG made the exact same deals, CDC would be bytch'n and crying over every single one of them....Fact. I thought Garrison was worth much more than what we traded him for... RFA Signings Miller??? WTF! - do we need another distraction in net? And don't talk about mentoring Lack cause he doesn't like to mentor. For 3 years? WTF! - two years would have been ideal. 33 years old and ranked 22nd out of 43 goal tenders over the last 4 years....1st round loss to Chicago last year playing for St. Louis. At 6 million per year? WTF! - 5 million cap per year would be acceptable for an aging goalie who underperformed....and/or who Lack outperformed. Cap space gone.... With an amended NM contract? WTF! - Was this really necessary to sign Miller and could we have negotiated a better contract instead of him giving us a list of only 5 teams? Maybe 10 or 15 teams? Maybe no clause? Did B & L not go through a similar scenario with Kesler this week? This was the first and only offer Miller saw? WTF! - Was this just a nostalgia thing for Benning? He is so adamant on signing Miller that he just thought he would offer him everything that Miller would have asked for? I don't think GMMG ever made a move like this with such haste and abandonment... Here's one for all you Gillis haters out there....I hope you don't blindly let this slide and make your immense disappointment known that your beloved MG replacements offered a NM contract to an aging player who is in decline. AND, I am a little concerned with B & L ability to negotiate a fair contract now... do these two know anything about lowballing on the first offer and negotiating to an agreeable settlement? Calgary got Hiller for 2 years at 9 million? I'd be ok with this... And to me it seems the Canucks needed to address the top 6 positions....goal scoring. At the moment, all the big names seemed to have signed elsewhere since our focus was on signing Miller. After all is said and done.... it is still too early to judge B & L up till now. I hope that they are not human and have some sort of super human powers at play that will transform this team into a power house in the next few years! From what I've witnessed so far... they make mistakes like the rest of us and let feelings/emotions get in the way of their decision making. And to me it seems the Canucks needed to address the top 6 positions....goal scoring. At the moment, all the big names seemed to have signed elsewhere since our focus was on signing a goalie... One area that I hope B & L are exceptional at is FA signings cause GMMG was boss.... if not, so far not so good. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandwagon38 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Pratt is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtor Rod Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Beat it. (I said something before and I want everyone to know how good I am) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck luck Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 Keslerplayslikeacanadian - you still think cap space is irrelevant and not an issue for a team that is close to the limit? You still believe that Vey is a foundational player and will be around for decades? Baggins - You still think a 2nd for Vey is good? You still think a 2nd round pick is useless and well worth tossing away for a prospect who is waiver eligible? oh....and you still loving the Miller contract, still a great deal? Mattrek - You still believe benning is a good negotiator and always gets market value? Junkyard dog - You said Miller's contract would never be an issue? thoughts now... You said I was short sighted and you could see benning/linden's plan and the big picture....you still see things clearly? You still think the percentage of success with 2nd round picks are so dismal that we should toss them away for castaways that are waiver eligible? Sorry....I couldn't resist I got into some heated arguments with you guys in another thread..."Canucks four biggest non-mistakes over the last year" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laheys Liquor Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Guess its a matter of perception because I have enjoyed watching the team under JB/Linden/Willy management. Maybe its time to find a new team bud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horvats_Big_Head Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 tl;dr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Kerr Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I dont even know where to start.... so I'll just - you and move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 i do that too D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 9 hours ago, Twilight Sparkle said: i do that too D: Time to read the @%@# post, Ricky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Nuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 43 minutes ago, xereau said: Time to read the sh*t post, Ricky! wuts a s*** post mr lahey? a s*** post is misinformation, randy. it's a s***nami of someone's opinion no one cares about. they trap you in the s*** snare and that's where they get you, randy. you see, i'm smarter than that. the liquor.... the liquor repels the s*** posts and the s***itiots. we're in the dark ages of the off season, bud. the s*** abyss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 3 hours ago, nuck luck said: Keslerplayslikeacanadian - you still think cap space is irrelevant and not an issue for a team that is close to the limit? You still believe that Vey is a foundational player and will be around for decades? Baggins - You still think a 2nd for Vey is good? You still think a 2nd round pick is useless and well worth tossing away for a prospect who is waiver eligible? oh....and you still loving the Miller contract, still a great deal? Mattrek - You still believe benning is a good negotiator and always gets market value? Junkyard dog - You said Miller's contract would never be an issue? thoughts now... You said I was short sighted and you could see benning/linden's plan and the big picture....you still see things clearly? You still think the percentage of success with 2nd round picks are so dismal that we should toss them away for castaways that are waiver eligible? Sorry....I couldn't resist I got into some heated arguments with you guys in another thread..."Canucks four biggest non-mistakes over the last year" Yes I still think a 2nd for Vey was a good gamble to speed up the rebuild. It's worked for Baer hasn't it? So he's 50% on those trades. That's double the 25% chance of using that 2nd being successful. Yes I still think Miller was a good signing. Depending on Markstrom's play this year, I could see Miller extended for another year being a possibility. I have never once said a 2nd is useless. Not once. Like players, they are assets that can be used as trade pieces. Btw, MG should have been fired before AV. He fired AV to buy himself time. MG made more than his fair share of mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Show of hands if you ever heard of this guy once in your life.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Time for you to get "Guardianed"!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 6 hours ago, nuck luck said: Coach I like the hiring. However, I think these two put their eggs in one basket and wanted to wait on one guy since the beginning.... if WD decided to decline, we would be up sh!t creek without a paddle. I would have been just as happy with one or two other coaches that were available at the time... it was a huge gamble or B & L are far too indecisive. I just wish the owners would have let MG pick the coach last year...You like the pick, but are upset with it because they wanted him and got him? Makes no sense. They got their first pick as coach, you like him, I like him, they like him... Stop complaining about what ifs. The Draft You say you'd rather GMMG pick the draft because he had a good draft year in Bo's year. Name all the players that play for the Canucks that were drafted by Gillis? Gillis inherited a team drafted by Nonis. He then made a few small additions that were decent and then handed out NTCs until the team was handcuffed. Gillis took a team from Contender to Pretender in a matter of 2 years 2011->2013. Gillis had a better track record with signing undrafted players than he did picking in the draft. Do you remember Patrick White? Buyout Somewhat agree, but Booth was near useless here. Kassian did no better in Montreal or Edmonton, so this point is somewhat moot. Trades Agreed with Garrison, but his trade was part of a bigger picture. The only trade that we have lost so far is the Sutter-Bonino trade, and even then thats only because Pitts won the cup and Sutter was injured. If Sutter rebounds and plays how he was suppose to play, that trade could pan out for us, and not be a loss. Which I'd like to believe will happen. Vey for a 2nd was a still a good trade, even today. The chances of a 2nd round pick playing in the NHL are very slim. Vey played in the show and scored goals, thats more than most 2nds can say. FA Signings Miller has been overpaid-yet serviceable, Vrbata was great in is first year(The best signing in the NHL that year). Eriksson is unknown. GMMG signed some great UFA's, I'll give him that, but the extensions he handed out on contracts were horrible. Why would 3rd liners get NTC's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swizzey Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 You do realize that McCann was traded right? Do us all a favour and delete your account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tajun Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I think I upvoted you when this first came out, because we needed some dissenting opinions on the board then. Not sure what posting this again gets you though. You were 100% wrong on a couple of points. The one thing I really agreed with was that GMMG was getting a very unearned bad rap around here then, but I think that most people have reversed on that one in the intervening years as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taskicon Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Here good sir you can have my minus of the day... you have certainly earned it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Honestly, the guy has some good points, and some bad points as everyone seems to focuses on. The Miller signing was too much but we needed him because say what you want about Eddie, he wasn't a starter. I am one of the people who like MOST of what Benning's done. Linden vey played more games with us than the average second round pick so I think that that was a good trade. Great? No just good. IMO the Baertcshi trade was the best trade Benning has ever made. Ya Gillis had better contracts, minus his handing out NTC's and NMC's but he used to be an agent so has a good view on how to have good negotiations. Benning is kind of new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 8 hours ago, nuck luck said: Most of you said you stopped reading after I called benning/linden rookies at their new positions or I was upset with the firing of MG... In the future, maybe we should consider all points of view before we jump on any bandwagons. And for those of you who were open to listening to another opinion, I give you credit for being able to go through all this for the last few years....my hair would be ghostly white if I stayed on this site or followed this team (closely) with this group leading the way. Pretty sure they turned white anyway, since you've been waiting in anxiety for 2 years just to tell CDC, "I told you so".....lol how lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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