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Pete M

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The good ole days of Pat Quinn coaching...where he had the team playing as a 5 man unit, going up the ice... the "D" overlapping with the forwards on the rush, and the forwards overlapping with the "D' on the back check. The gap control created pressure on the opponent at both ends of the ice.

 

When WD talks about getting the systems down early and having the players understand what is required early, this is the key to secondary scoring. 

 

For the team to have good secondary scoring, the "D" will have to get more involved with the scoring, and the forwards will have to back check in order to create chances on the turn-over. Chances will come on the transition from offence (puck possession) to defence (not having the puck). How well they transition will be a big factor when we talk about secondary scoring. The "D" (5 man unit) will create offence if they take care of business in our own end (with and without the puck).

 

As a Canuck fan, the most interesting thing for me is how well our "D" will perform with the new additions, Hutton's progression, and who will make the team on "D".

 

Our forwards are "meh", but our "D" can make the "meh" turn into "real good".

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1 minute ago, Pete M said:

The good ole days of Pat Quinn coaching...where he had the team playing as a 5 man unit, going up the ice... the "D" overlapping with the forwards on the rush, and the forwards overlapping with the "D' on the back check. The gap control created pressure on the opponent at both ends of the ice.

 

When WD talks about getting the systems down early and having the players understand what is required early, this is the key to secondary scoring. 

 

For the team to have good secondary scoring, the "D" will have to get more involved with the scoring, and the forwards will have to back check in order to create chances on the turn-over. Chances will come on the transition from offence (puck possession) to defence (not having the puck). How well they transition will be a big factor when we talk about secondary scoring. The "D" (5 man unit) will create offence if they take care of business in our own end (with and without the puck).

 

As a Canuck fan, the most interesting thing for me is how well our "D" will perform with the new additions, Hutton's progression, and who will make the team on "D".

 

Our forwards are "meh", but our "D" can make the "meh" turn into "real good".

Yes, of course.  However, when your top minute forwards are not exactly speed burners, and play a cycle game, back pressure is not going to be their forte.  As for our D joining the play, especially off pressured turnovers, Stecher will (BY FAR) be the best we've had at this since Erhof, but WD choose him for our team?  I love our team, but we need to keep scores LOW, by focussing on a trapping D structure.  Racing up and down the ice, and exchanging chances is not how this team will win.  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Yes, of course.  However, when your top minute forwards are not exactly speed burners, and play a cycle game, back pressure is not going to be their forte.  As for our D joining the play, especially off pressured turnovers, Stecher will (BY FAR) be the best we've had at this since Erhof, but WD choose him for our team?  I love our team, but we need to keep scores LOW, by focussing on a trapping D structure.  Racing up and down the ice, and exchanging chances is not how this team will win.  

Speed kills...on the rush and the back check. This may be our achillies heel.

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our d is a work in progress. it won't be overly good until we can develop and find the right types to make it elite. our forwards are the same. we are probably another 2 or 3 years from challenging for a cup if then. i like the additions of ericksson and gudbranson. it is important for the team, to be competitive while they re-build. they need to be fighting for a playoff spot every year. 

i believe scoring comes from players that can gel together and handle every type of situation...playmaker, scorer and grit. when willie finds the right combinations, scoring will happen..if he can't find the right that, then benning will need to find the right pieces.

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The biggest benefit our offense will have this year should be the improvement of the Defensemen. If they're able to get involved in the cycle and scoring on the opponents end of the ice, and  slow the onslaught inside our own blue line we should see a tilt towards a better overall scoring team.

 

I don't believe one of our worst offensive years was combined with one of our worst defensive years by coincidence. 

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9 hours ago, Alflives said:

Yes, of course.  However, when your top minute forwards are not exactly speed burners, and play a cycle game, back pressure is not going to be their forte.  As for our D joining the play, especially off pressured turnovers, Stecher will (BY FAR) be the best we've had at this since Erhof, but WD choose him for our team?  I love our team, but we need to keep scores LOW, by focussing on a trapping D structure.  Racing up and down the ice, and exchanging chances is not how this team will win.  

Sure our top line isn't burning fast, but they can tire out a line pretty quick cycling the puck. Willie needs to deploy his lines in the same fashion as AV did. It works. Play the Twins primarily in the o zone, use the Sutter line and the Bo line on more balance or d zone play. 

 

With Henrik's hand healed, a healthy Sutter and Bo being Bo, we should have a much better ability to win draws and control possession.  That will be the a absolute key for us this year.  As it has always been since the Twins became our top line. 

 

We may not have the horses to score on the fly, but the twins can rope a dope all day long, both the Bo line and Sutter line will have speed, turnover ability and can counter attack, get a scoring chance and set up an O zone face off. 

 

The other key is having the defence transition the puck and join the rush. Big question mark this year. Can Larsen provide some of that, can Hutton?  Who else, if anyone?  

 

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13 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Sure our top line isn't burning fast, but can tire out a line pretty quick cycling the puck. Willie needs to deploy his lines in the same fashion as AV did. It works. Play the Twins primarily in the o zone, use the Sutter line and the Bo line on more balance or d zone play. 

 

With Henrik's hand healed, a healthy Sutter and Bo being Bo, we should have a much better ability to win draws and control possession.  That will be the a absolute key for us this year.  As it has always been since the Twins became our top line. 

 

We may not have the horses to score on the fly, but the twins can rope a dope all day long, both the Bo line and Sutter line will have speed, turnover ability and can counter attack, get a scoring chance and set up an O zone face off. 

 

The other key is having the defence transition the puck and join the rush. Big question mark this year. Can Larsen provide some of that, can Hutton?  Who else, if anyone?  

 

Stecher?

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38 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Sure our top line isn't burning fast, but can tire out a line pretty quick cycling the puck. Willie needs to deploy his lines in the same fashion as AV did. It works. Play the Twins primarily in the o zone, use the Sutter line and the Bo line on more balance or d zone play. 

 

With Henrik's hand healed, a healthy Sutter and Bo being Bo, we should have a much better ability to win draws and control possession.  That will be the a absolute key for us this year.  As it has always been since the Twins became our top line. 

 

We may not have the horses to score on the fly, but the twins can rope a dope all day long, both the Bo line and Sutter line will have speed, turnover ability and can counter attack, get a scoring chance and set up an O zone face off. 

 

The other key is having the defence transition the puck and join the rush. Big question mark this year. Can Larsen provide some of that, can Hutton?  Who else, if anyone?  

 

Tryamkin seemed to concentrate on being responsible last year. Anyone else remember his 1st shift? Lol.

 

Perhaps when the NHL game slows down for him he can make those good outlet passes that can lead to chances off the rush.

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48 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Sure our top line isn't burning fast, but can tire out a line pretty quick cycling the puck. Willie needs to deploy his lines in the same fashion as AV did. It works. Play the Twins primarily in the o zone, use the Sutter line and the Bo line on more balance or d zone play. 

 

With Henrik's hand healed, a healthy Sutter and Bo being Bo, we should have a much better ability to win draws and control possession.  That will be the a absolute key for us this year.  As it has always been since the Twins became our top line. 

 

We may not have the horses to score on the fly, but the twins can rope a dope all day long, both the Bo line and Sutter line will have speed, turnover ability and can counter attack, get a scoring chance and set up an O zone face off. 

 

The other key is having the defence transition the puck and join the rush. Big question mark this year. Can Larsen provide some of that, can Hutton?  Who else, if anyone?  

 

I think if we stay relatively healthy, our transition game might exceed expectations. Through the first half of last season, many of our returning players actually had fairly good stats on zone entries/exits (in terms of success percentage and rates with control), positive play in the neutral zone, and good rates of possession and possession driving plays (especially some of the younger guys).

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ben-hutton-already-making-a-big-impact-with-canucks/

 

http://canucksarmy.com/2016/2/3/analyzing-the-vancouver-canucks-zone-entry-data-through-november

 

A lot will depend on how well the Hutton-Gudbranson pairing works out and whether or not Guddy can provide the steady presence Hutton needs to free him up offensively. And hopefully Hutton will have matured and progressed enough that he won't fade down the stretch over an 82 game season.

 

Edler-Tanev should provide their usual net positive effect on possession. 

 

But Larsen (and whoever he pairs with) will be the wildcard on D. He looks to have the potential to be one of our best skaters and puck carriers from the back end. If he can produce high rates of successful and controlled zone entries, and generate high rates of meaningful possession and shot attempts, then we'll be in excellent shape.

 

Getting a full season out of Sutter and continued improvement out of our best young forwards will also be key. I expect Horvat to continue to show strong play driving tendencies and generate offense off the rush. This should only increase if he's given a more offensive role (sheltered by Sutter taking over some of the defensive duties).

 

And of course, even though the twins don't play a speed game, they are still excellent at driving play and creating possession. And Eriksson also had fairly gaudy possession stats. 

 

We'll have to see how much improvement we get out of the other forwards on the team. But late season results from guys like Etem and Baertschi were certainly encouraging and bode well for a stronger start from the younger guys this year. Hansen likely moving down the lineup adds the potential to use his speed as even more of a weapon (if he's playing with linemates who can keep up to his pace and who play more off the rush). And Burrows has been good on transition in the past so hopefully a rebound year will see him posting better numbers.

 

Rödin remains another wildcard and his effect is difficult to project right now. And Gaunce and Virtanen, if they make the lineup, have some positive indicators (based on last season's stats) that they can also be very strong possession players.

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