kingofsurrey Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, mll said: Switch the 2nd and the 3rd line. WD said last week that he wants Horvat to concentrate on defence and not worry about scoring so put Etem on his line instead of Virtanen who will likely be in Utica. Dorsett and Burrows are probably regulars in the lineup. I see us running more a 2A and 2B line with equal amounts of ice time. For that matter, Wilie most likely rolls top 3 lines pretty equally.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 This is good for Stecher. He'll be a force next year. Plus I like the idea of him and Brock making the team at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Trebreh said: yes at least Peluso knows his role and does it well. I really dont see the need for Dorsett anymore as we have Labate, Zalewski, Rendulic and Megna for call ups. He can skate too. I'd MUCH rather have Peluso replace Dorsett at this point as a 13th forward. He is 3 years younger (27), 6'3 235 and can throw down with anyone....with a 675K cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 We need to bring in a defenseman. If WD actually thinks the way Larsen has played is OK he needs to be fired on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Yea you're right, Markstrom sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: I see us running more a 2A and 2B line with equal amounts of ice time. For that matter, Wilie most likely rolls top 3 lines pretty equally.... I don't have your optimism. I think WD is coaching to not lose his job and Baer/Virtanen are likely to not see a lot of ice time. I think Horvat would make up for it because WD wants him on the PK and will probably take shifts in lieu of Gaunce on the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenalian Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: yup so he will most likely be sent down. which i understand because they don't want to lose other guys for nothing but what gets me is they lied straight to our face saying they would ice the best line up even if it means they lose players. So it's managements job now to be forthcoming and truthful with fans? Funny, I thought their job was to ice the best team possible, while planning for the future. Giving away assets, as opposed to sending young waiver exempt guys down, would be pretty poor management. Does everyone realize Stecher is young, with 0 professional games played. Going down and getting some Pro experience, and personal coaching is great for him. WD even said, he surprised everyone, had a great camp, will start in Utica, and they'll see him again "real soon". As far as Etem, he's likely only here till Rodin is back, to avoid uneccesarily losing other young players. Just because this is the starting roster doesn't mean it's set in stone. Everyone realizes you can still waive and bring up players once the season has started right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I have to laugh at all the posters foaming at the mouth at every move JB makes or doesn't make. I do remember him saying that he will make room on the team for any player who shows that they belong in the lineup. But I don't remember him saying that he would gut the team's depth, dumping assets on the waiver wire that have demonstrated some ability at the NHL level, to insert younger, unproven, partly developed players instantly, based solely on training camp/ a few preseason games against mainly AHL/ junior players. While I am not a huge Etem fan, I think that his productivity in his last several NHL regular season games combined with what he showed in the playoffs a few years ago, carries more weight than a few preseason games when his personal circumstances ensured that he would be very distracted and likely sleep deprived. Waiving him at this point, which many posters claim was the obvious thing to do, strikes me as being pretty silly. I was happy to see that JB was smarter than that. And considering that the Canucks don't have room in their lineup for all their promising young players who look pretty much NHL ready, dumping a promising prospect to make room for some other team's castoff also seems silly. The other team's player would need to be pretty high quality, and if that were the case, Edmonton or Toronto would pick them up. So far so good JB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Green Building said: @Qwags Or I could be wrong and some cuts might come in today Would be nice to have a better picture of the opening night roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtor Rod Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 57 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: I like Travis Green as much as the next guy but I don't think WD deserves the amount of criticism he gets on these boards. I wonder if that would be different if we didn't have a guy like Green waiting in the wings. Personally, I like WD. I didn't have a problem with the ice time he gave Vey down the stretch last year given the injuries we had. I think he's done a decent enough job integrating these young guys into the lineup. He's also been good at limiting the Sedins minutes, unlike Torts who played them like they were 10 years younger. He's also very personable and the players seem to like playing for him, so that has to count for something. I'm not saying he hasn't made any mistakes but I feel like he's done a good job for a guy that has just been getting his feet wet as a head coach in the NHL. He should be even better this year with a little more experience under his belt. Atta boy Willie! Willie would make a great assistant coach I think. As a head coach, he has not improved as a coach. The little issues like too many men (and it showed up in the preseason) continue, even with different assistant coaches and new players. He couldn't get it together in the playoffs 2 years ago. If he has systems, I have never seen them. Lots of guys on here have played competitive level hockey, you can see when a coach seems over his head. Willie seems like a great guy but an average coach. Jim and Trevor get paid to make the decisions though, so time will tell. He has definitely been given a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 18 minutes ago, mll said: I don't have your optimism. I think WD is coaching to not lose his job and Baer/Virtanen are likely to not see a lot of ice time. I think Horvat would make up for it because WD wants him on the PK and will probably take shifts in lieu of Gaunce on the 4th. Actually i am not optimistic. I think Willie rolls 3 lines and we struggle. The dilemma is do your ride the Senior Citizen Line 1 get a few wins and then end up with all 3 of them on LTIR or do you roll top 3 lines and stuggle to get any back to back wins..... Tough when you are the coach of the 27th best club..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Warhippy said: Let's simplify things Stecher needs to play. big minutes. 5-6 or in the press box here won't help him. Nor will preferential zone starts. PP/PK and 15-20 minutes a night under Green is about as good as it gets. 1st call up only helps. He will learn what it is to push around big bodies for 70+ games a season in a full contact league. Not the NCAA. Virtanen might start in Utica. Having Rodin Ruutu and Skille here means he might start in the AHL. How terrible to get 15-20 minutes a night in a top 6 role away from the bright lights and hyper critical media of his hometown. He re-injured his shoulder, the same injury that some think my have affected his shot. Having him here playing grinding bottom 6 roles is not going to help him. Drafted at 6th overall we need him to realize his true potential, not just send him out crashing and bashing. He is more than that and worth more than that. Utica is not the worst option for him. Etem hasn't looked great, so Utica is in his future. If not he'll be starting in the bottom 6. Ok, no big deal Gaunce is the ONLY true loss if he goes down to Utica. he has nothing left to prove. he's a 22 year old former 1st round pick and he's an amazing player. he's versatile as a C/LW, big body picked up his skating. the guy deserves the NHL because he's earned it. Look. We all want an exciting team. We all want to see rookies play. But this is the final year of transition. Burrows, Miller and more won't be here next year, Boeser ++ might be. We want to develop youth in a steady manner, not feed the machine. The Oilers did that, The Canes, Sabres etc. And have little to show for it. Let's accept this being the one off flux year it is supposed to be for the transition. An expansion draft, multiple contracts totaling almost $14 million possibly gone and the twins' final year under contract. We are finally seeing something we have never seen from this team in 44 years of existence. Youth depth and development are finally visible. Let's not push it. If it means Skille, Ruutu, Larsen and Rodin start up and Stecher Virtanen etc don't. Just accept it. The future finally looks bright. ^^^ This exactly, wish I could give more pluses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said: I have to laugh at all the posters foaming at the mouth at every move JB makes or doesn't make. I do remember him saying that he will make room on the team for any player who shows that they belong in the lineup. But I don't remember him saying that he would gut the team's depth, dumping assets on the waiver wire that have demonstrated some ability at the NHL level, to insert younger, unproven, partly developed players instantly, based solely on training camp/ a few preseason games against mainly AHL/ junior players. While I am not a huge Etem fan, I think that his productivity in his last several NHL regular season games combined with what he showed in the playoffs a few years ago, carries more weight than a few preseason games when his personal circumstances ensured that he would be very distracted and likely sleep deprived. Waiving him at this point, which many posters claim was the obvious thing to do, strikes me as being pretty silly. I was happy to see that JB was smarter than that. And considering that the Canucks don't have room in their lineup for all their promising young players who look pretty much NHL ready, dumping a promising prospect to make room for some other team's castoff also seems silly. The other team's player would need to be pretty high quality, and if that were the case, Edmonton or Toronto would pick them up. So far so good JB. I agree with you. Preseason is a joke for the vets. Doubt they go through it at 50 % during the games. Scrubs playing for lives go 100 % and look NHL ready. Etem showed what he can do last 10 games of last year. He deserves a full season on the Canucks this year. Lets call up some kids this year and see what they can do in the show... How did Gaunce do last year when he was called up..... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 39 minutes ago, Apricot said: I, as many of you, are upset that Stetcher was sent down. But majority of you all are right, playing under Green with 15-20 minutes a night will do wonders for his development. This is definitely not the last time we see him this year. He'll be back up again. Im more upset over Etem. How has this guy made the team? I'd be REALLY pissed off if Gaunce gets sent down. He has worked damn hard for years, everyone knows it and everyone can see it. He deserves the spot in the lineup, and this isn't like the Stetch treatment. Stetch could use those big minutes to help him. Gaunce has proved that he is an NHL player, and to me, big minutes under Green won't help him anymore. Gaunce should be on the team, he deserves it more than anyone. I know it, you know it, even the management knows it. I'd be okay with Virtanen being sent down. Big minutes under Green would be awesome for his development. Last year we all saw some solid flashes of what type of player he is. A year under Green would make him 100% better than that player. Gaunce will stay with the big club. They have 16 forwards so my guess is Virtanen gets sent down, only one of Ruutu or Skille gets signed and Rodin starts the year on LTIR. That leaves 13 guys including Gaunce... Sedin Sedin Eriksson Baertschi Horvat Etem Granlund Sutter Hansen Gaunce Ruutu Dorsett Burrows I think Ruutu gets signed but you can also make a case for Skille. As for Etem he will most likely be on a short leash and may be the first casualty once Rodin comes off LTIR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtor Rod Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Ossi Vaananen said: Willie sounds like he wants Jake in the A, we will see how Trev and Jim feel. Rodin sounds like he will start on the IR. Goody is alright. Stecher up very soon. I would like Anthony Peluso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtor Rod Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: I agree with you. Preseason is a joke for the vets. Doubt they go through it at 50 % during the games. Scrubs playing for lives go 100 % and look NHL ready. Etem showed what he can do last 10 games of last year. He deserves a full season on the Canucks this year. Lets call up some kids this year and see what they can do in the show... How did Gaunce do last year when he was called up..... ? I waive him. There are younger guys who can fill his role (Gaunce, Virtanen) and PTOs who have outplayed him (Skille, Ruutu). Sorry Etem, you have to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 34 minutes ago, RRypien37 said: He can skate too. I'd MUCH rather have Peluso replace Dorsett at this point as a 13th forward. He is 3 years younger (27), 6'3 235 and can throw down with anyone....with a 675K cap hit. I agree. But what do you with Dorsett? Who's gonna take his $2.65M cap hit with 3 years left? It doesn't make alot of sense to eat any of that contract just to switch fourth liners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 34 minutes ago, King Heffy said: We need to bring in a defenseman. If WD actually thinks the way Larsen has played is OK he needs to be fired on the spot. If Larsen sucks we give Biega his 19 games. Then when Biega sucks we call up Stecher. I don't see a need for another D man when we have Tryamkin, Biega, Pedan and Stecher as 7-10 guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: Gaunce will stay with the big club. They have 16 forwards so my guess is Virtanen gets sent down, only one of Ruutu or Skille gets signed and Rodin starts the year on LTIR. That leaves 13 guys including Gaunce... Sedin Sedin Eriksson Baertschi Horvat Etem Granlund Sutter Hansen Gaunce Ruutu Dorsett Burrows I think Ruutu gets signed but you can also make a case for Skille. As for Etem he will most likely be on a short leash and may be the first casualty once Rodin comes off LTIR... Bang on. If a PTO guy is signed, Virtanen goes down. Rodin will send down whomever performs the worst. I see the bottom 4 being a rotation of some sorts. Granlund and Sutter play well with each other. Also Baertchi Horvat Etem, played very well last year, and I can see that as the 2nd/3rd opening night line. Etem may have performed bad all pre-season, but last year had a "quality 3rd line" scoring and possession, advanced stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 9 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said: Gaunce will stay with the big club. They have 16 forwards so my guess is Virtanen gets sent down, only one of Ruutu or Skille gets signed and Rodin starts the year on LTIR. That leaves 13 guys including Gaunce... Sedin Sedin Eriksson Baertschi Horvat Etem Granlund Sutter Hansen Gaunce Ruutu Dorsett Burrows I think Ruutu gets signed but you can also make a case for Skille. As for Etem he will most likely be on a short leash and may be the first casualty once Rodin comes off LTIR... Reasonable assessement but I have Skille instead of Ruutu and I cannot see how Etem earned a spot in the top 6 based on preseason. Maybe Etem gets to stay with the team in light of Rodin's injury status, but I expect him to be waived and sent to Utica pretty soon. I expect Gaunce to be 4C. It does sound like WD wants Jake to go to Utica but JB might have a different call. As for Stecher, no surprise he is being sent down. But no-one can pretend the Canucks are keeping the guys who played best. Stecher outplayed Larsen, Tryamkin, Biega, and probably Sbisa. But the Canucks probably promised Larsen a long look to get him to come over and, even if they didn't, that may be the right call. And it does not do much good to have Stecher sitting around at #7 or #8 on the depth chart. It is better for him to play big minutes in Utica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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