PhillipBlunt Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 4 hours ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: They made him meet the CEO of Canadian Tire in Toronto and I think he started to clue in that things might always be all out of proportion there. Hahahahahaha! Why the hell would they do that? It would have been akin to having the CEO of Lululemon meet up with prospective UFAs here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortankin Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 1st 2nd and 3rd if he'd accept our offer sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 If Kucherov won't sign in Tampa then offer sheet him - it's not like the Canucks like their picks anyways - get a stud top 3 and then maybe trade tanev or Edler for a top 3 young centerman (sam Reinhart?) then the Sedins can drop to the 2nd line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 22 hours ago, Green Building said: I don't think Stamkos "caved", he just didn't care about leaving a competitive team for another million, two million, or whatever bucks per year to play in say... Toronto, a city with a crap hockey team. Tampa should easily be competing for a deep playoff run again. Make sense to me. I'm curious what Yzerman does about Kuch here. First Drouin, now... stamkos did cave he was in position to up the annual contract value for the nhlpa he likely could have negotiated a contract worth more annually than toews and kane managed there was a fair bit of pressure on him to raise the contract bar so others could benefit he chose not to do this i am still surprised that he did not and accepted tampa's offer i know of no other pending free agent who was in as good a position as stamkos to achieve a monetary benefit for all of the other players in the nhl his contract now likely makes the toews / kane contracts a harder ceiling as the max for annual salaries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 47 minutes ago, coastal.view said: stamkos did cave he was in position to up the annual contract value for the nhlpa he likely could have negotiated a contract worth more annually than toews and kane managed there was a fair bit of pressure on him to raise the contract bar so others could benefit he chose not to do this i am still surprised that he did not and accepted tampa's offer i know of no other pending free agent who was in as good a position as stamkos to achieve a monetary benefit for all of the other players in the nhl his contract now likely makes the toews / kane contracts a harder ceiling as the max for annual salaries For me, that defines the exact opposite of caving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Stevie has to pay the man! In order to do that, someone has to go. It would be great if we lured him out of TB but don't think we have the cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orcasfan Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 This situation was all predicted by guys like Bob MacKenzie months ago. TB has to move one of their not-so-great contracts in order to not only sign Kucherov, but also give them some breathing room for the rest of the season as well as their next RFA contracts. I think they would like to target Callahan or Coburn or Garrison. The problem is that Callahan has a NTC, and has really underperformed. They would really have to sweeten the pot for teams to bite. Coburn also has at least a NTC (maybe a NMC?). The other possibility is FIlpulla...another underperforming contract. Another NTC or NMC, though. And who would bite? Looks like Jason Garrison might be the odd man out here (again!). Didn't he lose his NTC when we traded him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Adding Kucherov into our lineup I'd feel pretty comfortable paying the 1rst, 2nd and 3rd round price tag of an offer sheet. Kucherov is only 23 and has two 60+ point seasons under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 On 2016-09-29 at 2:25 PM, WhoseTruckWasIt said: inb4: IT'S A ONE OFF!!!! IT"S ONLY LUCK!!!!!! YOU CAN NEVER COUNT ON GOOD DRAFTING!!!!! BLAAAHHH!!!!! LUCK!!!! Used my minus already unfortunately. Everyone knows good players CAN be drafted in the second round. The chances of finding them are just significantly less than than earlier picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 On 1/10/2016 at 10:31 AM, coastal.view said: stamkos did cave he was in position to up the annual contract value for the nhlpa he likely could have negotiated a contract worth more annually than toews and kane managed there was a fair bit of pressure on him to raise the contract bar so others could benefit he chose not to do this i am still surprised that he did not and accepted tampa's offer i know of no other pending free agent who was in as good a position as stamkos to achieve a monetary benefit for all of the other players in the nhl his contract now likely makes the toews / kane contracts a harder ceiling as the max for annual salaries Huge contracts, like Kane & Toews? Don't, in a cap world, raise the bar. It simply leaves less for the rest... And sets impetus for a new test of the CBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 On 2016-09-30 at 5:31 PM, coastal.view said: stamkos did cave he was in position to up the annual contract value for the nhlpa he likely could have negotiated a contract worth more annually than toews and kane managed there was a fair bit of pressure on him to raise the contract bar so others could benefit he chose not to do this i am still surprised that he did not and accepted tampa's offer i know of no other pending free agent who was in as good a position as stamkos to achieve a monetary benefit for all of the other players in the nhl his contract now likely makes the toews / kane contracts a harder ceiling as the max for annual salaries that's oversimplified how do two players eating over 20 million of Chicago's cap space "benefit" the rest of the players on that team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 so i guess the posters on here think that stamkos signed for his true value and that he is worth at least 2 million less than either/both kane and toews i do not agree in the current nhl player salary market he signed for less than what he could have for reasons he knows best i have no doubt he could have achieved a contract paying him the same or more annually than kane / toews get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 1 hour ago, coastal.view said: so i guess the posters on here think that stamkos signed for his true value and that he is worth at least 2 million less than either/both kane and toews i do not agree in the current nhl player salary market he signed for less than what he could have for reasons he knows best i have no doubt he could have achieved a contract paying him the same or more annually than kane / toews get Stamkos signed for less because he will still take home a crap load of money-due to taxes in Florida he is taking home Kane and Toews money anyway. As a bonus-his team gets cap space. Win/win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon.Duck Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 One thing I've never understood is the taboo behind offer sheeting. They do it all the time in the NBA and it's a normal part of the process (plus doesn't ruin relationships or stick GMs on blacklists). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC2 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Oregon.Duck said: One thing I've never understood is the taboo behind offer sheeting. They do it all the time in the NBA and it's a normal part of the process (plus doesn't ruin relationships or stick GMs on blacklists). Even though it would likely bite the canucks in the butt at some point I think offer sheeting would benefit the NHL if it were more common. It would give more power to the players to opt out of a bad situation and would force hardball gms like Yzerman to make a play without dragging it out. Of course the drawbacks is that a team that's rich in young talent like Edmonton or Winnepeg could make themselves stronger without losing any immediate help but it would eliminate them from being able to offer sheet for a while depending on how much they gave up for said player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 10/1/2016 at 8:55 PM, coastal.view said: so i guess the posters on here think that stamkos signed for his true value and that he is worth at least 2 million less than either/both kane and toews i do not agree in the current nhl player salary market he signed for less than what he could have for reasons he knows best i have no doubt he could have achieved a contract paying him the same or more annually than kane / toews get Isn't he paying less taxes in Florida? Not to mention being left fairly alone compared to places like TO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 10/2/2016 at 2:27 AM, JC2 said: Even though it would likely bite the canucks in the butt at some point I think offer sheeting would benefit the NHL if it were more common. It would give more power to the players to opt out of a bad situation and would force hardball gms like Yzerman to make a play without dragging it out. Of course the drawbacks is that a team that's rich in young talent like Edmonton or Winnepeg could make themselves stronger without losing any immediate help but it would eliminate them from being able to offer sheet for a while depending on how much they gave up for said player. If there were more offer sheets going on, I could see GMs paying higher salaries to try to prevent players from hitting RFA. It would be even more ridiculous for owners and fans to see GMs paying crazy money for players prematurely. I think it would prevent GMs from building a solid NHL team......while parity is nice, so is seeing a really solid NHL team. I also don't think the NHLPA would want it. I'm sure they want the majority of the membership to be happy instead of the top 10%. So while offer sheets are interesting at the time, the overall effect to the NHL product is likely negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 10 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: Isn't he paying less taxes in Florida? Not to mention being left fairly alone compared to places like TO? He also gets to play on a team thats actually a contender. Money isn't everything and its not like he isn't still making a ton of it. An extra 20 million over 8 years seams huge on top of the 60+ he is getting but then you would have to play for the leafs and miss the playoffs for the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 On 2016-10-03 at 11:36 AM, NHL97OneTimer said: Isn't he paying less taxes in Florida? Not to mention being left fairly alone compared to places like TO? correct but that is not my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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