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The other issue is the expansion draft. Do teams want to trade for someone they won't protect and might lose? That's not even a rhetorical question, because some teams might want his cap for only one year, so the risk of losing him to the draft is actually beneficial. On the other side, if a team wants him for more than one year, the risk of losing him to the draft is disadvantageous. 

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Canucks would also add value if they were to retain salary.  Sbisa plays kamikaze style hockey so it is inevitable that he will sit a few games each season.  If the Nucks retained half his salary, perhaps he could land a player like Joakim Nordstrom or Andrej Nestrasil of Hurricanes or Jacob Josefson from Devils.  These players may benefit with another organization.  These are jus examples.

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2 hours ago, ashbury said:

This is why you'd make terrible general managers...

 

Luca Sbisa currently doesn't have a high trade value, especially at this time of year. Currently, every team is trying to trim their roster. Teams are looking to drop bottom pairing defencemen, not add them. At the moment, Sbisa may fetch a 3rd to 5th round draft pick, if anything.

 

Vancouver has been gifted with a denfenceman who is bursting with potential and currently looks ready to play in the NHL in Troy Stetcher. However, Stetcher does not have to clear waivers and could perhaps even improve on what he has already shown in the preseason by spending time in Utica.

 

Vancouver also has another two young defencemen who need to be eased into full-time NHL roles in Tryamkin and Pedan. Keeping Sbisa allows this gradual integration to happen.

 

At the trade-deadline Luca Sbisa's value will sky-rocket, potentially greatly if he has a half decent season, which he does actually seem poised to do. GMs wet themselves for d-men of Sbisa's breed at the deadline. This is when Sbisa should be moved. Moving him now would be terrible asset management and put an awful lot of pressure on players who may not be ready despite showing great potential. After the deadline Vancouver will have gained an asset much greater than the actual value of Sbisa in the trade and can then allow the young d-men to take a larger role at a time when they are much more prepared. This will limit the inevitable mistakes made by rookie defencemen, making the team better in the present and building our young players confidence to make the team better in the future. While moving Sbisa at the deadline will surely help the team in the future.

 

It's called foresight, many of you seem to lack it.

 

Stop making reasoned and logical arguements;)

 

Excellent post. 

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OP makes sense - as does the idea of actually giving Sbisa a chance this year to see what he can do.

He's been stepping up - arguably above his calling - the past few seasons - playing top 4 minutes too frequently - on depleted rosters - and yet imo he's held his own and improved significantly.

Not only does he represent our best option in the 5 spot at this point, be he's also more seasoned than all the options at the 6 spot....

Keep him - risk losing Biega (which is pretty much inevitable - someone will have to be exposed to waivers and Biega might actually clear) - and let's see what he can do this year in a role imo he can certainly handle and may excel.

If the other guys really force the hand, there's a good chance Sbisa has improved his market value - and in addition, his cap hit at the deadline isn't as significant, particularly as many teams suffer injuries.

OP is bang on.

If the team was hard up for cap, it may be more of an issue to move Sbisa, but they're sitting on over 4 million in space - have lots of flexibility to make moves - it makes more sense to let it play out.

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2 hours ago, Fanuck said:

Stecher never played in Utica. 

 

It's called fact checking,  you should try it.

 

Wow you need to learn to read. He made a grammar mistake. He missed a coma before "in Utica." Here I'll fix it for you since you seem rather inept. 

 

" However Stetcher does not have to clear waivers and could perhaps even improve on what he has already shown, in Utica." 

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Or maybe you trade him for that 3rd (lol I wish) right now and get something back rather than nothing down the road.

 

...potential? Rofl. Potential to maybe max out as a 3rd pair dman. Even then, doesn't change the fact he has an albatross of a contract. Buyout worthy / cap dump tier. It'd be just as nice to move on from Sbisa as soon as possible then it would be to hanging on to him until the TDL like you mentioned. Hanging on to him also means risking potential injury which would prevent him from even being traded at all.

 

And really, even if he's healthy, how much better will he become? Not a whole lot. He's a meat and potatoes dman and won't all of a sudden spike up in terms of production or anything like that. What he is, is a bottom pair dman at most being paid like a 2nd pair guy. That's what we have to get rid of end of story. There's an abundance of players available in FA rn who can do what Sbisa does but for a fraction of the cost so out with the silly notion that he'd command some sort of great return if we let him play half the season here. The return on Sbisa will be minimal regardless. Because of that I'd personally like to get it over with now and allow Stecher that much extra time to gel with the team.

 

Just my $0.02...

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1 hour ago, c00kies said:

The other issue is the expansion draft. Do teams want to trade for someone they won't protect and might lose? That's not even a rhetorical question, because some teams might want his cap for only one year, so the risk of losing him to the draft is actually beneficial. On the other side, if a team wants him for more than one year, the risk of losing him to the draft is disadvantageous. 

 

Here's the flip side - how many teams have players they cannot protect that are worth more to us than sbisa? 

 

Sbisa and a draft pick will go a lot farther for a player that can't or won't be protected... You just can't predict what teams strategies will be at TDL.

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2 hours ago, Wilbur said:

The Canucks also have to expose a defenceman with 70 games played (I think) over the last two years in the expansion draft.  I believe Sbisa needs 29 games to qualify.  If you have to expose someone, it would hurt a lot less than an Edler, Tanev, etc.

Exactly! Bingo! Good enough for an expansion team to take, bad enough for the Canucks to lose and not care.  Troy or OJ get Sbisa's spot next year.

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The problem with Sbisa is the puck is always in his zone when he is on the ice it seems. And he hasn't really ever played with a PMD. I think if Stecher was to play with him we would see his play be much better due to Stecher being able to get the puck up to our forwards, resulting in less time defending. Sbisa IMO is a pretty decent #5 dman. Overpaid yes, but bad dmen no. He can play a physical game and stick up for teammates. He may not be a PMD but he has size and grit which is valuable in this conference.

#TeamSbisa for now. Lets see how he does this season

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Good post

If he was paid 2.5 M I think people would give him more slack. Benning clearly over paid but....

 

On the worst plus-minus team in the NHL, who was their only PLUS Defenseman last year?

 

While his gaffs for some reason get blown out of proportion, numerous times last year when we were in trouble (which was often), he turned the game around by laying out an apposing player, or making an aggressive play to force the flow of the game.

 

He is also (right now) the only proven D on the team that can slot into a top 4 position for an extended period of time "when" one of our top 4 goes down.

If they are serious about making the playoffs , yeah they absolutely should keep him!

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1 hour ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

I thought he was pretty good, actually.    He hits, he's pretty decent in the offensive zone, he was pretty good at the world cup.  Why not just hang on to him? 

Its because he turns the puck over some times and has a big contract.

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1 hour ago, Bur14Kes17 said:

 

Wow you need to learn to read. He made a grammar mistake. He missed a coma before "in Utica." Here I'll fix it for you since you seem rather inept. 

 

" However Stetcher does not have to clear waivers and could perhaps even improve on what he has already shown, in Utica." 

Lol,  learn how to spell Stecher's name before you give out grammar tips.   

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4 hours ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

Hey there, there's a few of us who are the realistic members group who were willing to include Biega and Pedan to the Sbisa deal for McDavid!

Clearly you've never played NHL 16.  That would put Edmonton over the max players allowed, so they'd have to include Nurse and Lucic in the deal.. Duhhh!

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