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^ I think we drafted fine.....i for one have an already hate for Tkachuk, that stupid smirk on his face just pisses me off, so it great he's on Flamers, plus he can't skate.

 

Jake Virtanen I feel his shoulder is bothering him, that explains his lack of hitting last night, which is a preseason game so if his shoulder is bothering him I don't want him aggravating it more with preseason hits. 

 

I wish Larsen used his speed with offensive rushes. 

 

Tryamkin didn't play last night, but he seems to be hesitant, thinking to much out there...I think WD has put to much information in his head. I miss his last season play where he had more confidence and made quick correct plays. 

 

Twins this season will be must watch hockey, their going to have a great season but it can't last forever. So this year is the highest level of hockey we're going too see them play ever again, so we gotta enjoy and appreciate the Twins elite skills every shift. I hope the twins put up good high numbers as they are Canuck super legends. So enjoy

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10 hours ago, ThrustyPrusty89 said:

Hard to choose just one for each category. Of course I picked the evolution of my boy Markus Granlund as the "good"; he's been a point per game player in the preseason so far, similar to his AHL days. Edler's quiet offensive production (7 points, I think?) pleasantly surprised me too, especially since he's coming off a pretty major injury. Also like Sutter's game now that he's back in the swing of things. Skille was my favorite PTO.

 

As for the bad, I wasn't expecting much from Etem either way, but it's disappointing that he's basically been a ghost this preseason  (comical slips and falls notwithstanding). I really wish Tryamkin was willing to stay in the US and develop in the A as opposed to the KHL; his conditioning, positioning, and English all obviously still need some work, and the KHL isn't goingto help him with any of it. I don't even know where to start with Larsen...

I voted Tryamkin as my disappointment as well. Not that I'm writing him off of course, he's such a big man who can skate, he'll be a huge boon for our team if he can put it together. The main thing is his lack of physicality compared to what we saw last season in his dozen or so games. I'm not upset about him rotating in and out but for me I'd love to see him in the A as well. Perhaps after seeing the way the Canucks operate and that they want him for the long haul he could be convinced. We'll see. 

 

I voted Hutton and Gudbranson as my good thing for the preseason. I had hopes that they would gel well together. Granlund would be my second choice. A good friend of mine rips Benning constantly, especially regarding the trade for him and I love the fact Granlund has performed well, and that Shinkaruk is on his way to the A. Still way too early to say who won the trade but it's looking real good for us so far. 

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5 hours ago, gurn said:

The chef has control of the menu, he does decide what to put in each recipe- except for the occasional removal of ingredients for allergy problems.

"The Alchemist" restaurant up here In Powell River has 9 items on the menu, if you want something else go somewhere else.

 

PR? And here I thought I was the only one! I'm a local myself. Alchemist is pretty good eating. 

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2016-17 Vancouver Canucks Player Stats: Preseason, Scoring

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5 0 7 7 3 4 0 0 0 4 0 1 9 0.0% 1.4
5 2 3 5 5 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 11 18.2% 1.0
5 2 3 5 2 0 1 0 1 2 0 0 8 25.0% 1.0
6 2 1 3 2 4 0 0 1 0 0 0 13 15.4% 0.5
5 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 10 10.0% 0.6
4 1 2 3 3 2 0 0 1 1 0 0 8 12.5% 0.8
3 2 1 3 3 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 5 40.0% 1.0
2 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 50.0% 1.0
5 1 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 8.3% 0.4
4 1 1 2 1 13 0 0 0 0 0 1 6 16.7% 0.5
 
   
5 0 2 2 2 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0.0% 0.4
3 1 1 2 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 33.3% 0.7
1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 100.0% 1.0
1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0% 1.0
5 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 20.0% 0.2
4 1 0 1 1 8 0 0 0 0 1 0 4 25.0% 0.3
2 0 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0% 0.5
5 1 0 1 -1 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 8 12.5% 0.2
1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 1.0
2 0 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0% 0.5
2 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0% 0.5
3 0 1 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0.0% 0.3
1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0% 1.0
3 0 1 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 0.0% 0.3
2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0.0
1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0.0
3 0 0 0 -1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0.0% 0.0
1 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0% 0.0
3 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0.0% 0.0
3 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0% 0.0
 
   
1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0% 0.0
2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0.0
2 0 0 0 1 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0% 0.0
4 0 0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 0.0% 0.0
1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0.0
2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0% 0.0
1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0.0
2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0% 0.0
2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0.0
3 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0% 0.0
3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0.0
2 0 0 0 -1 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0% 0.0
4 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0.0% 0.0
2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0% 0.0
4 0 0 0 -1 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 0.0% 0.0
3 0 0 0 -2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0.0% 0.0
3 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0% 0.0
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Intresting read on hockeybuzz:

 

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Markus Granlund made me think about Markus Naslund when he potted the winner with a redirect from the slot.

 

Naslund was 22 when he was acquired by the Canucks in March of 1996 in exchange for Alek Stojanov—a swap of first-round draft picks that turned out to be the biggest steal in franchise history. Naslund went on to record 756 points in 884 games over 13 seasons as a Canuck

 

Maybe there's something here...Granlund was 22 when he was acquired in March of 2016 for former first-rounder Hunter Shinkaruk. Just like Naslund, he posted three points in his first partial season as a Canuck.

 

In 1996-97, Naslund put up 20 goals and 41 points—a season that was considered a success for a player that arrived with pretty low expectations around him. If Granlund could match that this year, we'd be happy, wouldn't we?

 

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40 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said:

So what's going on with Tryamkin? Didn't play last 2 pre season games yet Linden says he worked hard in the summer... Trevor your fooling no one. 

 

I think this is the answer to your question:

 

15 hours ago, HockeyHarry said:

Tryamkin didn't play last night, but he seems to be hesitant, thinking to much out there...I think WD has put to much information in his head. I miss his last season play where he had more confidence and made quick correct plays. 

 

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46 minutes ago, Stierlitz said:

 

I think this is the answer to your question:

 

 

 

Tryamkin needs to start the season over Sbisa, otherwise WDs going to mess up his confidence and we will miss out on this kid. If they try to convince him he needs more development time he'll do that in Russia vs. Utica. My feeling is if we don't see Tryamkin play in the 1st 10 games we'll never see him again in a Canucks uniform. 

 

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4 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said:

 

Tryamkin needs to start the season over Sbisa, otherwise WDs going to mess uo his confidence and we will miss out on this kid. If they try to convince him he need more development time he'll do that in Russia vs. Utica. My feeling is if we don't see Tryamkin play in the 1st 10 games we'll never see him again. 

 

They better not screw him up he has a lot of potential. Even if he tops out as a number 5 Dman his size will be invaluable in future post season games. 

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2 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said:

They better not screw him up he has a lot of potential. Even if he tops out as a number 5 Dman his size will be invaluable in future post season games. 

 

I already think it might be over for him. We're going get 1 or 2 more years of Sbisa and WD, two guys we'll never see again after that and lose out on this kid thanks to the WD 'save my job now philospohy'. Hate to be so down about it but somethings not quite right with how the team is talking about him. 

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Just now, S'all Good Man said:

 

I already think it might be over for him. We're going get 1 or 2 more years of Sbisa and WD, two guys we'll never see again after that and lose out on this kid. Hate to be so down about it but somethings not quite right with how the team is talking about him. 

The kid seems to lack disipline but he is still very young. I'm guessing his conditioning is terrible and they were not happy... Still should have a longer leash cause of his potential. 

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8 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said:

 

I already think it might be over for him. We're going get 1 or 2 more years of Sbisa and WD, two guys we'll never see again after that and lose out on this kid thanks to the WD 'save my job now philospohy'. Hate to be so down about it but somethings not quite right with how the team is talking about him. 

Yah, how selfish is WD trying to save his job, by doing what the gm wants.:rolleyes:

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18 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said:

The kid seems to lack disipline but he is still very young. I'm guessing his conditioning is terrible and they were not happy... Still should have a longer leash cause of his potential. 

 

18 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said:

The kid seems to lack disipline but he is still very young. I'm guessing his conditioning is terrible and they were not happy... Still should have a longer leash cause of his potential. 

I think you are exactly right! I was concerned when his weight was quoted at 265. I only saw one game but he did not look heavy so I questioned that number. As per usual in Canuckland prospects are over hyped in anticipation of future performance. Tryamkin has the physical attributes but he is coming out of the KHL which is not exactly a strong defensive league. It will take time for Tryamkin to learn the NHL game. IMO this is why Benning has been saying for some time that they would carry 8 d-men. Not only NT but also Larsen has a transition period. Waiving Pedan and eventually sending Stecher down to Utica will leave Sbisa-Biega-Larsen and Tryamkin. Over the next 25 -40 games the management team will be able to more accurately assess when these players have in potential. A conservative approach which has little downside IMHO.   

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2 hours ago, gurn said:

Yah, how selfish is WD trying to save his job, by doing what the gm wants.:rolleyes:

 

WD can't save his job, he's just not a good enough coach. Any other non-rookie GM would have made a change this off-season imo. 

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Just now, S'all Good Man said:

 

WD can't save his job, he's just not a good enough coach. Any other non-rookie GM would have made a change this off-season imo. 

Yes for sure a fact.

The conservation principle may actually handicap the team an extra season in the doldrums an save a few jobs an extra year or two

sunset clause is in full effect now!

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7 hours ago, messier's_elbow said:

So what's going on with Tryamkin? Didn't play last 2 pre season games yet Linden says he worked hard in the summer... Trevor your fooling no one. 

 

22 hours ago, HockeyHarry said:

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Tryamkin didn't play last night, but he seems to be hesitant, thinking to much out there...I think WD has put to much information in his head. I miss his last season play where he had more confidence and made quick correct plays. 

...

 

5 hours ago, S'all Good Man said:

 

Tryamkin needs to start the season over Sbisa, otherwise WDs going to mess up his confidence and we will miss out on this kid. If they try to convince him he needs more development time he'll do that in Russia vs. Utica. My feeling is if we don't see Tryamkin play in the 1st 10 games we'll never see him again in a Canucks uniform. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Boudrias said:

 

I think you are exactly right! I was concerned when his weight was quoted at 265. I only saw one game but he did not look heavy so I questioned that number. As per usual in Canuckland prospects are over hyped in anticipation of future performance. Tryamkin has the physical attributes but he is coming out of the KHL which is not exactly a strong defensive league. It will take time for Tryamkin to learn the NHL game. IMO this is why Benning has been saying for some time that they would carry 8 d-men. Not only NT but also Larsen has a transition period. Waiving Pedan and eventually sending Stecher down to Utica will leave Sbisa-Biega-Larsen and Tryamkin. Over the next 25 -40 games the management team will be able to more accurately assess when these players have in potential. A conservative approach which has little downside IMHO.   

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I think Boudrias probably has the right read on the Tryamkin situation. Yes, as Messier's elbow says, it was surprising he did not play the last 2 pre-season games, That would seem to guarantee that he will not be in the top 6 to start the season (which was pretty obvious anyway). And I agree with HockeyHarry that Trymakin is probably trying to absorb a lot right now. I am not blaiming WD for giving him too much information, though. That is stuff Tryamkin needs to learn and if he isn't willing to go to Utica he will have to learn in practice.

 

I am pretty sure he will get a shot to play some time in the first 10 games. I agree with S'all Good Man that it would be a very negative signal if he did not play in that time.

 

I conjectured at the beginning of camp that the Canuck management was not enthusiastic about Tryamkin's progress over the summer. I still think that is true.

 

At this stage my best guess is that Tryamkin makes the 23-man roster but does not play much while he i) improves his understanding of the Canuck system, ii) improves his understanding of English and iii) improves his conditioning.

 

The onus right now is on him. If he wants to be the next Chara he needs to show Chara-like work effort and commitment. I hope it works out that way. Otherwise, as S'all Good suggests, he might spend his career in the KHL.

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5 hours ago, messier's_elbow said:

The kid seems to lack disipline but he is still very young. I'm guessing his conditioning is terrible and they were not happy... Still should have a longer leash cause of his potential. 

Judging from what the coaches had to say during pre season,conditioning was not an issue ..Tryamkin is a great skater,and has good mobility for his size....His issue is 'processing' the NHL game,and utilizing his size.

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