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23 minutes ago, Salmonberries said:

"It was on the 27th day of December, the anniversary of my birth, and I shall never forget the scenes I witnessed on that day. As we approached the town the word passed along the line that there would be no prisoners taken. It meant that we were to shoot every living thing in sight—man, woman, and child. The first shot was fired by the then first sergeant of our company. His target was a mere boy, who was coming down the mountain path into the town astride of a caribou. The boy was not struck by the bullet, but that was not the sergeant's fault. The little Filipino boy slid from the back of his caribou and fled in terror up the mountain side. Half a dozen shots were fired after him. The shooting now had attracted the villagers, who came out of their homes in alarm, wondering what it all meant. They offered no offense, did not display a weapon, made no hostile movement whatsoever, but they were ruthlessly shot down in cold blood—men, women, and children. The poor natives huddled together or fled in terror. Many were pursued and killed on the spot.

"Two old men, bearing between them a white flag and clasping hands like two brothers, approached the lines. Their hair was white. They fairly tottered, they were so feeble under the weight of years. To my horror and that of the other men in the command, the order was given to fire, and the two old men were shot down in their tracks. We entered the village. A man who had been on a sick-bed appeared at the doorway of his home. He received a bullet in the abdomen and fell dead in the doorway. Dum-dum bullets were used in that massacre, but we were not told the name of the bullets. We didn't have to be told. We knew what they were.

"In another part of the village a mother with a babe at her breast and two young children at her side pleaded for mercy. She feared to leave her home, which had just been fired—accidentally, I believe. She faced the flames with her children, and not a hand was raised to save her or the little ones. They perished miserably. It was sure death if she left the house—it was sure death if she remained. She feared the American soldiers, however, worse than the devouring flames."

Company M was commanded by Capt. Fred McDonald.

 

http://www.filipinoamericanwar.com/balangigamassacre1901.htm

How to Lie about History - The Captain Fred MacDonald Story

 
In Bradley's "Imperial Cruise" we  get this quote about Captain Fred MacDonald (U.S.V) and his conduct during the Philippine American war (1899-1902):
 
Fred+MacDonald.jpg"Captain Fred MacDonald ordered every native in the Hamlet of LaNong killed, save a beautiful mestizo woman, whom the officers repeatedly raped, prior to giving her over to the enlisted men. "
The source for this?  A secondary history called "Benevolent Assimilation" (1982).   And what is that book's source?

Answer - The 1902 Senate Hearing on American atrocities in the Philippines.  During that hearing  a certain Corporal Richard  T. O'Brien charged that MacDonald (his company commander) and the officers gang-raped the woman.

Seems pretty solid, except that O'Brian admitted under oath that:
  • he never saw MacDonald rape anyone
  • his charge was based on hearsay i.e. what the woman's husband supposedly told him
  • the woman's husband only told him - and no other soldier in the company
  • No one overhead the husband statement to O'brien that his wife had been raped
  • he never mentioned the rape in any of this letters home
  • he never reported the rape to MacDonald's superiors.
The army records were then produced showing that O'Brien was:
  • a troublemaker and had a grudge against MacDonald
  • was never in LaNong but stationed as a supply clerk 25 miles away
  • had made other charges (that the company never took prisoners) proven to be false by army records
  • not supported by anyone else in the company.

And finally,  after the Senate Hearings, O'Brien stood trial for perjury.

In other words there is no convincing evidence that Captain Fred MacDonald raped anyone. But that doesn't stop the looney left historians from printing it as fact.  As Mark Twain said:  " A Lie can travel half-way around the world before the truth gets its boots on"

 

It's hard to say what is truth and what has been fabricated during war time. 

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19 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

So the US relationship with..._________? Where? Where can we point to(in recent times), & say, "Ahh, the US concerted their efforts THERE, & look how wonderful it is today!"

 

Like their shyte-tripe Hollywood has been pushing forth the last few decades, their "soft power" is taking on a resemblance to 'fear porn'.

 

It's High Time for significant global-change!

I didn't say the USA was without sin, but if you look at how China  (Tibet) and Russia( Eastern Europe/Ukraine) treat their vassals, it is the lesser of two (three) evils.

 

As for global change...it is going to happen and always has.  You might want to be careful how much of it you wish for.  A major change will not likely improve things for most and has the capacity to make things considerably worse. 

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1 minute ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

I didn't say the USA was without sin, but if you look at how China  (Tibet) and Russia( Eastern Europe/Ukraine) treat their vassals, it is the lesser of two (there) evils.

 

As for global change...it is going to happen and always has.  You might want to be careful how much of it you wish for.  A major change will not likely improve things for most and has the capacity to make things considerably worse. 

Respect what you say, Dib & it certainly has merit. There's an unpredictability afoot, that's pretty damned averse to the relative prosperity/continuity most NA'ns have been raised within.

 

Perhaps because I've personally lived within lots of chaos :^), it's become somewhat familiar(soothing?). I don't bet long on anything anymore.

 

When you suggest to others to get the proverbial house in order(for coming change, or worse), they'll brand you a cynic, traitor, etc...

 

Seems we've had "our" run.(the west, in general)

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1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Respect what you say, Dib & it certainly has merit. There's an unpredictability afoot, that's pretty damned averse to the relative prosperity/continuity most NA'ns have been raised within.

 

Perhaps because I've personally lived within lots of chaos :^), it's become somewhat familiar(soothing?). I don't bet long on anything anymore.

 

When you suggest to others to get the proverbial house in order(for coming change, or worse), they'll brand you a cynic, traitor, etc...

 

Seems we've had "our" run.(the west, in general)

I agree that much is a-foot and askew and the world order appears to be on the brink of major shifts.  I fear much of it will be a case of thinking the grass is greener on the other side only to find out it is more like scorched earth.  Let's face it, there are no influential powers looking to maintain or expand their sphere of influence for the good of mankind.

I honestly don't know how one prepares for what could come because no one really knows what is coming.

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5 hours ago, Lancaster said:

Until there's an actual treaty or pen-to-paper on an alliance, this is all meaningless.  

Aren't public verbal declarations binding? And since they did declare this alliance publicly, wouldn't they have signed the treaty/alliance in their face-to-face meetings?

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1 hour ago, DalesArmy said:

How to Lie about History - The Captain Fred MacDonald Story

 
In Bradley's "Imperial Cruise" we  get this quote about Captain Fred MacDonald (U.S.V) and his conduct during the Philippine American war (1899-1902):
 
Fred+MacDonald.jpg"Captain Fred MacDonald ordered every native in the Hamlet of LaNong killed, save a beautiful mestizo woman, whom the officers repeatedly raped, prior to giving her over to the enlisted men. "
The source for this?  A secondary history called "Benevolent Assimilation" (1982).   And what is that book's source?

Answer - The 1902 Senate Hearing on American atrocities in the Philippines.  During that hearing  a certain Corporal Richard  T. O'Brien charged that MacDonald (his company commander) and the officers gang-raped the woman.

Seems pretty solid, except that O'Brian admitted under oath that:
  • he never saw MacDonald rape anyone
  • his charge was based on hearsay i.e. what the woman's husband supposedly told him
  • the woman's husband only told him - and no other soldier in the company
  • No one overhead the husband statement to O'brien that his wife had been raped
  • he never mentioned the rape in any of this letters home
  • he never reported the rape to MacDonald's superiors.
The army records were then produced showing that O'Brien was:
  • a troublemaker and had a grudge against MacDonald
  • was never in LaNong but stationed as a supply clerk 25 miles away
  • had made other charges (that the company never took prisoners) proven to be false by army records
  • not supported by anyone else in the company.

And finally,  after the Senate Hearings, O'Brien stood trial for perjury.

In other words there is no convincing evidence that Captain Fred MacDonald raped anyone. But that doesn't stop the looney left historians from printing it as fact.  As Mark Twain said:  " A Lie can travel half-way around the world before the truth gets its boots on"

 

It's hard to say what is truth and what has been fabricated during war time. 

 

Are you inferring that the Balangiga Massacre didn't happen? I can't really tell.

 

I have never heard that particular claim before.

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42 minutes ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

I agree that much is a-foot and askew and the world order appears to be on the brink of major shifts.  I fear much of it will be a case of thinking the grass is greener on the other side only to find out it is more like scorched earth.  Let's face it, there are no influential powers looking to maintain or expand their sphere of influence for the good of mankind.

I honestly don't know how one prepares for what could come because no one really knows what is coming.

I don't see the west wanting to give up control.  They have had power since the middle east was the central power of the world.  (West including europe).  China had its own thing going on with their dynasty's but the world has mostly been run by the west.  Maybe Rome isn't considered part of the west dynasty but I don't see them allowing a change of hand.  I wish Canada would remain neutral and not get involved.  But the idea of a Chinese lead world is kind of scary with how they treat their people.  


The western world may have corruption but It is probably a lot better then the conditions of many in Asia including China and Russia.  Europe seems to have it down now a days in terms of lifestyle, prosperity, etc. minus the whole eu debacle.  Change is always scary though.

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Isn't it interesting how human nature works.............

 

I mean, I know a lot of Filipino's, and they have all come to North America  and Europe for a better life.........

Funny thing is, it has been like that for 40 years or so......I wonder how their lives would be if they didn't have a manufacturing industry or a tourist industry

Which are mainly based from western economies

If this thing doesn't settle down, they will find out.............I just hate people that take and can't remember where they got it from......

 

I don't mean to sound so prejudice, and I am being that way for a reason...........we will see how much money they send home to their families when they are working in Russia and China......oh yeah and Iran!

 

(To my Filipino friends, I am sorry for talking like this, but maybe you should speak up and tell everyone why you came here instead of China)

 

Just trying to make my point...............

 

And everyone else should remember where would be if not for the USA...........

 

Trust me....it wouldn't be so good!

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And just to be fair....................us white skinned caucasian's gained our wealth on the backs of the rest of world.....that includes Russia (white skinned).....all coming from taking from the weak and trading with the wealthy.............eat or be eaten.............just saying!

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8 hours ago, Fantomex said:

Just another move on the board. Interesting to see the lines being drawn. The question remains, when will all this finally come to a head?

Seems like sooner than later. A few people keep their heads in the sand but soon the rhetoric turns to activity. 

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16 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

Philippines was already hemorrhaging foreign investment dollars since Duterte started running his mouth and allowing the citizenry to murder anyone they thought was a drug dealer.

 

He had to cozy up to someone. I guess now he won't be riding a jet ski to that disputed island in the South China Sea and planting the Philippine flag to spite China after all like he promised in his election campaign.

 

He's the perfect example of what can happen when you elect a loose cannon.

Actually you guys don't understand that the Philippines is improving a lot since Duterte became president. He is the least corrupt president in the Philippine's history and he has improved a lot of things in Manila such as the ban of Liquor sales after 1 am, improving infrastructures, implementing the 911 system in manila and actually buying ships for the coast guards and making deals with Japan to make a high speed train connection between manila and Bulacan. He has improved the country a lot in his short stint and manila is becoming a safer city for tourists. Most posters think that US is a country of saints but actually a lot of countries hate the US. From China, Russia, Iran to Philippines etc. Now you have 2 bozos running for the US presidency and am thinking US will eventually go down the drain at one point or another. Even Canada is turning to China for trades even though they are next to US. I just don't see a bright future for the Americans when they are electing either a clown or a psychopath.

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15 hours ago, SabreFan1 said:

It's going to hurt their US tourism if relations continue to deteriorate.  Tourism is responsible for over 5 million jobs there and US tourists rank second highest behind close US ally, South Korea.

 

Hmmmm...I don't think so. I think Americans or any other nationalities would still visit the thousand islands of the Philippines. 

 

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o-SWIMMING-WITH-WHALE-SHARKS-PHILIPPINES

 

 

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16 hours ago, Gnarcore said:

 

Filipinos are an overly religious and boring lot in my experience. I could see them supporting that nut job...they're used to following wacko ideas since the Spanish beat Catholicism into them.  The actual fun loving ones who ignore that bull$&!# are limited but religion aside they're all mostly good people. I could do with less karaoke and stinky fish being cooked (an actual dish of rank smelling fish..not just cooking fish...) in my building but hey what can you do. I just plug in the electric and play Slayer and Pantera riffs loud :)

 

There is a huge population here that came over on temp work visas, got residency and send home money to their families with plans to take the money and retire back home. Tough call as to whether they're a benefit here or a drain.  They certainly are helping the resort run but due to contracts to bring them over have cost people I know jobs and are keeping wages down in certain sectors. 

 

I grew up with Filipino family friends who had been here generations..very different people from the temp workers picking up residency. 

 

On topic:  foreign leaders have been taken out for less by the US.  

I wonder who would be nannies, nurses or housekeepers if there were no Filipinos in US? ;)  There are just a lot of Filipino nurses in US and Canada. 

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13 hours ago, Rush17 said:

this truly appears to be a lack of confidence in America.   china's generous 3 billion loan is there way of telling the world they will help other countries if asked.  

 

it's already scary the US currency is no longer considered the worlds backed currency. now you have China and Russia increasing their gold reserves for if the us economy crumbles. 

 

too bad America doesn't still have its gold standard now it's in a rather complex situation.   China could if they wanted essentially tank the US economy if they wanted too.

 

they own so much us debt it would be easy to force the US to increase its inflation to continue forward.   obviously such actions will result in war between China, Russia, Syrian, Iran, and I guess now the Philippines and the West. 

 

the Philippines aren't a major threat but it shows the lack of confidence in America and it's dollar.  the only way I see it ending peacefully is if they create either contential currency or a global currency.  obviously eu's contential currency has been a disaster.

 

makes me wonder where Canada will be during hard economic times for America.  will we get dragged down or will we become the economical force in North America. 

 

Don't forget North Korea who has nukes. Essentially its China, Russia, Syria, Iran, North Korea and the Philippines. They might not have the military technology that US has but their Nukes and huge number of soldiers they can put on the field, sea and air would make World War 2 look like child's play. They can essentially have a combined 300 million or more soldiers, same number as the American population.

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9 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Isn't it interesting how human nature works.............

 

I mean, I know a lot of Filipino's, and they have all come to North America  and Europe for a better life.........

Funny thing is, it has been like that for 40 years or so......I wonder how their lives would be if they didn't have a manufacturing industry or a tourist industry

Which are mainly based from western economies

If this thing doesn't settle down, they will find out.............I just hate people that take and can't remember where they got it from......

 

I don't mean to sound so prejudice, and I am being that way for a reason...........we will see how much money they send home to their families when they are working in Russia and China......oh yeah and Iran!

 

(To my Filipino friends, I am sorry for talking like this, but maybe you should speak up and tell everyone why you came here instead of China)

 

Just trying to make my point...............

 

And everyone else should remember where would be if not for the USA...........

 

Trust me....it wouldn't be so good!

I think you haven't visited China yet, my friend. There are a lot of business people going to China from the Middle east. My cousin who got his law degree in Calgary and passed the bar exam actually decided to move to China and create a business. Heck, his brother is making $3000 USD tax free and only working 2-3 days per week "tutoring" children who have not learned English. China's economy is growing and Philippines economy is also one of the fastest growing economies in Asia. 

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