WHL rocks Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Not really into making threads, and I did do a search but couldn't find a Doug Jarvis thread...... I said in PGT vs LA "make no mistake boys and girls, this early success has Doug Jarvis' fingerprints all over it" I'm not sure many people have heard of him before but he's a former player with a Selke trophy (defensive forward of the year) and multiple Cup winner as player and coach. The reason Jarvis was brought in this summer was to get more structured defensive systems, particularly in the neutral zone. I was one of those who would scream and yell at my TV and on CDC at the lack of structure in WD's coaching system last year. This was the reason Doug Jarvis was brought in and he's done wonders for this team. Enjoy. Here's an article on him from CBC. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/ca nucks-win-now-new-defensive-system-1.3816871 Canucks in win-now mode after adopting new defensive system 'It's not about developing players ... We are playing to win' The Vancouver Canucks sat down after last season and crunched the numbers. Having missed the playoffs for the second time in three years, they knew something had to give when it came to their structure. "We gave up way too many quality chances. Not just chances, but where you're going to score goals from," said forward Jannik Hansen. "The goalies were good for us last year, but we don't want them to have to be that good." Odd-man rushes, grade-A scoring opportunities and surrendering the second most shots against in the entire NHL were among the many reasons for a miserable 28th-place finish. It's only been four games, but the Canucks seem to have found a system that works for them in 2016-17. They are the league's only remaining undefeated team following four straight home wins to open the campaign. They grabbed headlines early as a comeback team with three consecutive wins after trailing through 40 minutes, becoming the first club in NHL history to accomplish that feat to start a season. But the Canucks believe it's their commitment to defensive hockey that's been the real difference. "We realized that we had a good team," said forward Daniel Sedin. "We had to sharpen up on a few areas and I think we have so far. We're four games in. It's a long ways to go." Improved in neutral zone Former NHL player and long-time coach Doug Jarvis, who won a Selke Trophy in his career as the league's top defensive forward, was brought in as an assistant this summer to help Vancouver improve in the neutral zone. The idea is for the wingers and centres to track back quicker to put pressure on opponents in hopes of thwarting chances against and turning pucks over to head back the other way. That could hinder the Canucks' fortunes offensively, but the formula has worked so far with three of their wins coming by way of 2-1 scorelines to go along with a 4-3 triumph after giving up 25, 22, 24 and 27 shots against. Vancouver gave up an average of 32.5 shots last year. "It's little subtle changes that make a big difference, but the buy-in is what's important," said Hansen, who scored the 100th goal of his NHL career in Thursday's 2-1 victory over Buffalo. "You need every guy wanting to do it. It does require a little more work, but so far it's paying off." Lost in Vancouver's perfect start is the fact that Henrik and Daniel Sedin have combined for just three goals and two assists in four games, while the power play is an anemic 1-for-15. "We're going to have to play hard every night," said head coach Willie Desjardins. "We're going to get challenged and we'll see where we're at." The Canucks are also in a different position than last season in terms of overall goals. The organization was trying to balance nurturing young players with winning in 2015-16, a formula that failed to deliver the latter. The aim this season is much more straight forward. "It's not about developing players," said Sedin. "We are playing to win. Every situation is important. Putting guys out there for offensive faceoffs, defensive faceoffs, everything. There is a lot more coaching and it's about winning this year, it's not about maybe developing the young guys like it was last season." But the Canucks, who were predicted by many experts to finish at or near the bottom of the standings, know they can't deviate from what has launched them to this hot start as they prepare for a tough two game-road trip against Los Angeles and Anaheim this weekend. "Expectations are what ever they are," said Hansen. "Every player in this league is so good, if you put your best game forward you have a pretty good chance of winning. Where we are going to get into trouble is if we start slacking a little bit, not playing to our system. "We are going to have a hard time if we are going to rely on individual performances. This team isn't deep enough for that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FijianCanuck Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 "Umm yea I think he's been real good for us" "Umm well ya know, we knew what we were getting from Doug when we hired him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Yeah it seems like a great coaching... but he says, "It's not about developing players ... We are playing to win" OK, this confirms my belief that it's better if Jake is sent to the the AHL. At this rate, he is going to max out as a 4th liner and not even an effective 4th liner. Virtanen has a lot of upside but it's a shame that the management insists on keeping him with the big club for some reason. Even Grenier or any of the other older "prospects" can play Jake's role right now, because he isn't allowed to do much at the moment maybe it's because he is trying hard to just play within the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Jade Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, khay said: Yeah it seems like a great coaching... but he says, "It's not about developing players ... We are playing to win" OK, this confirms my belief that it's better if Jake is sent to the the AHL. At this rate, he is going to max out as a 4th liner and not even an effective 4th liner. Virtanen has a lot of upside but it's a shame that the management insists on keeping him with the big club for some reason. Even Grenier or any of the other older "prospects" can play Jake's role right now, because he isn't allowed to do much at the moment maybe it's because he is trying hard to just play within the system. Virtanen has implied a couple times that he wants to play in Vancouver in as many years. But I have noticed that he isn't taking as many risks in the offensive zone with the puck and the body. He is still ahead of Gaunce on the depth chart IMO. But Gaunce is getting better every game so we'll see. With the rate in which our team is shuffling lines, I wouldn't be surprised if he is reunited with Baer and Bo in the near future. He just needs to work on his speed a bit more. He's a good skater, but if he was as fast and agile as Hansen, with his skills and size, he would be Top 6 for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I like Jarvis more than Willie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, Devon Jade said: Virtanen has implied a couple times that he wants to play in Vancouver in as many years. But I have noticed that he isn't taking as many risks in the offensive zone with the puck and the body. He is still ahead of Gaunce on the depth chart IMO. But Gaunce is getting better every game so we'll see. With the rate in which our team is shuffling lines, I wouldn't be surprised if he is reunited with Baer and Bo in the near future. He just needs to work on his speed a bit more. He's a good skater, but if he was as fast and agile as Hansen, with his skills and size, he would be Top 6 for sure. It doesn't matter what Virtanen wants to do. It's about what is the best for the team and how to develop Virtanen so that he can become the best player he can be so that he can contribute to the team the way he was expected to, by scoring goals and dominate defenders. The thing is that Gaunce's ceiling is a third line centre, with upside to fill in as a 2nd line center on injuries etc. So Gaunce should learn the pro game, the team's structure, and that's fine. In fact, as you said, he is getting better and better. I think he is being played in a role that matches his potential. Like you said Virtanen has upsides to be a top 6 winger and at least when he was drafted, some thought that he can become 30 goal scorer. To reach that potential, he needs to play 15-20 minutes a game on 5-on-5 and PP. He will and should try different things, make mistakes, learn from them, get better, refine his game, implement the refinements, and score goals as a result, gain confidence, and repeat. He cannot do that at the NHL level. Right now, it seems like Virtanen is being told to play within the system and play safe. Are we grooming him to become a third line checking winger? If so, sure. Keep him here. But if not, then send him down. And, I don't think we can simply say that Virtanen is ahead of Gaunce in the depth chart. These guys are being groomed for different roles so for bottom 6 role, Gaunce is ahead of Virtanen on the depth chart and for a top 9 role, sure Virtanen is ahead of Gaunce. But Virtanen is behind, Daniel, Baertschi, Eriksson, Hansen, Granlund, and Rodin. Basically, the only reason why he is here is because of Rodin's injury. I just worried that the management is ruining a good player in Virtanen. I'm not blaming the coaching staff on this because the coaching staff is doing what they need to do to get the win (as Jarvis said, it's not about development, it's about winning). The current role that Jake is playing can be played by slew of other guys in the AHL. For example, Grenier, Labate, etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 We didn't get the win tonight, but at least the PP started clicking....which incidentally coincided with Larsson finally doing what we brought him here for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 It's Willie's team, but Jarvis likes it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: It's Willie's team, but Jarvis likes it too. What does this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Yeah I'm calling it now Canucks are going to lose in regulation layer tonight. It's Angie's home sooner and they have to set the tone early with Carlyle back. Canucks will be a little tired playing back to back so if they get down like against LA they will run out of gas and take yheir first regulation L. Also Emerson Etem joins the litany it ex Canucks to pass through Anahiem likely Ryan Miller to join them next year if Las Vegas doesn't pick him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Dougie Jarvis probably hasn't taken a day off in 40 years! Him & Gainey were two-way monsters on that Habs dynasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 hour ago, LaBamba said: What does this mean? I believe that Jarvis had a serious influence on Willie. I think that they talk about a neutral zone coach and that's Jarvis. Willie is in charge and that's for sure if you look at the deployment. Why would you switch up the lineup so drastically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 seems to be working and will work if players buy in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 For those who do not follow the Habs, he led that team into top 10 PP during his tenure as assistant coach there. His motto was to get as many shots on net as possible. Perhaps we need to use Sutter more on those on timers, Larson keeps passing back to Hank on the half wall rather than giving a chance for Sutts to get off a one timer. I realize the one chance he did have, Sutts heeled it off his stick, but give him time he could be like how Kes was for us, one timing those shots into the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 People were complaining that the Canucks weren't getting recognition for their undefeated start to the season, and now they got some...with negative "how can the Canucks be so naive?!" spin of course. Leafs blow leads: awwww how cute they're still learning defense. Canucks win with good defense: "OMG, they're wrecking development and playing to win now at all costs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 9 hours ago, smokes said: I like Jarvis more than Willie. i like them both. doug has sure helped but willie is doing a good job too. although, it is impossible to know unless we are around the team for all their practises and off ice sessions. if anything, i believe they compliment each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Thanks for posting OP. Benning was talking about these changes in his last interview too. http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040-i-1410/benning-focus-on-neutral-zone-play-paying-off-early-1.588925 Offense will be affected but we are seeing results in goals and shots against. Plenty of Virtanen talk. I'm not seeing him use his speed. We see him back 20 lbs heavier this year. Is he carrying too much weight? Or is it a matter of adjusting to the new system? Or is he hurting? His hits are down this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Thanks for posting OP. Benning was talking about these changes in his last interview too. http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040-i-1410/benning-focus-on-neutral-zone-play-paying-off-early-1.588925 Offense will be affected but we are seeing results in goals and shots against. Plenty of Virtanen talk. I'm not seeing him use his speed. We see him back 20 lbs heavier this year. Is he carrying too much weight? Or is it a matter of adjusting to the new system? Or is he hurting? His hits are down this year. Adjusting to the system seems a likely explanation. It's challenging to find opportunities for hitting while also staying focused on playing within a tighter structure. This could take some time before Virtanen feels comfortable. And he hasn't had a lot of minutes to find the right balance. It's very tough to be a "wrecking ball" out there while also playing the kind of sound defensive hockey the coaching staff is demanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Jake's shoulder is still bothering him or he would be hitting more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I have noticed a more structured d zone for the Canucks similar to the 06/07 Canucks which bored you into oblivion but they would win the game I've also noticed the Canucks are really creating a lot of turnovers with the forecheck and tenacity on the puck...or maybe I'm just seeing things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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