CanadianRugby Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, higgyfan said: What makes you so sure he's NHL ready? How is he better that Sbisa or Larsen? Sbisa is playing very well this season and Larsen has better mobility and offensive upside. Yeah Sbisa (though its a very small sample size) looks to be much better since he lost some weight. He also regularly throws big hits, more of them than Tryamkin despite the size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: Coming in out of shape.. two years in a row. Refusing to go to the minors. Like I said, typical Russian tactics. Sure... tactics. To stay out of the lineup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 hour ago, ajhockey said: Frankly, Tryamkin needs to earn a spot. I really don't like the notion that he should be given a free ride simply because of his stubbornness. I do think he should be given a chance in the regular season, but if he can't perform, then too bad for him. He needs to know that there are no spots given away for free in the NHL. 1 hour ago, S'all Good Man said: Well a lot of people thought Stecher earned a spot over Larsen, but JB wanted to see what he traded for. Same thing with Tryamkin, we need to see what we have. 1 hour ago, Twilight Sparkle said: before everyone throws the kid under the bus, calling him entitled (it's started already) and stubborn, if he really feels that he's game ready and wants to play right now, then let him play. they entice this kid to sign here to play hockey, and playing in the minors, even if its just a few games is probably not what he signed up for. once again, the canucks back themselves into a corner where it makes both the club and player look bad I think aj is onto an important point. I don't think it is good for team morale if it looks like a guy gets an advantage from being selfish and stubborn. From a team point of view the best thing would be for him to play a few games in Utica to get in game condition. I think the difference between Tryamkin and Larsen is that the Canucks have decided that Larsen is good enough to play and Tryamkin hasn't. I agree that Stecher outplayed Larsen and I am not at all sold on Larsen, but Tryamkin is further away. Tryamkin is basically competing with Sbisa for the 3LD position and right now Sbisa looks like a much better player. By the way, WD and JB have indicated before that they like having a right-handed D play RD and a left-handed D play LD. It is not that big a deal, but I think it does help and might be one reason why the D looks a lot better this year. Sbisa looks a lot better on the left side than on the right side. And, while Tryamkin played RD a lot in the KHL, I think it makes a lot more sense for him to play LD in the NHL which makes it much easier to protect the puck. Finally, in response to Twilight, no team lets young guys play just because they "really feel they are game ready". No one get in the line-up just because they want to play. Like a lot of others I had high hopes for Tryamkin, but I think his attitude does a leave a lot to be desired. Unlike Chara, he is apparently far from a workaholic as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 58 minutes ago, StealthNuck said: Tryamkin should be playing. The clause is in his contract for a reason, and he's quite right to exercise it. Give him NHL time and see how he plays. If it doesn't work out send him back to Russia. It should be simple, but WD seems to be refusing to play him. Hoping he's in tonight. He really hasn't earned a spot. What does that say to other young players? Considering how the team was/is playing it would be silly to make changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, billabong said: Well I'm not surprised. He obviously doesn't understand what it takes to be an nhl'er, but I don't blame him for not wanting to go to Utica over his home country. If the canucks could trade him they would but he has no value at all. Its a shame he's not a righty or it would change everything for him and the team Trymakin can play both sides. If it is a conditioning/training/prep problem. That can be fixed. Hope this gets sorted. The big Russian needs to stay with our club. He has atributes that we sorely need and cannot find in any market. Larsen could sit for a few games. Hutton could take his spot on the first PP, or Edler and not much of a drop off. Giving Beiga the start tonight is a head scratcher. We need size against the so cal teams. It can't hurt this early on to at least see what Trymakin can do in the line up. Head strong Willie vs head strong Trymakin is a recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share Posted October 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, higgyfan said: What makes you so sure he's NHL ready? How is he better that Sbisa or Larsen? Sbisa is playing very well this season and Larsen has better mobility and offensive upside. Sbisa has played very well (minus the one pizza last night), is the known commodity and has a lot of experience. So right now Sbisa>Tryamkin. Larsen plays a different side and is our only real offensive specialist, so I don't think it's a matter of Larsen vs Tryamkin. As long as Stetcher is in Utica, Larsen is in the lineup. It's amazing how our D has gone from one of the weakest in the NHL to a position of strength in just a year. Props to JB for that. It will be interesting to see how JB/WD keep everyone happy. If we could unload Sbisa, that would be huge. Until then, this is a good problem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCanuck Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 12 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: Coming in out of shape.. two years in a row. Refusing to go to the minors. Like I said, typical Russian tactics. Did the Canucks state in public that he came into camp outta shape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 He came over from Russia with the idea that he would be playing in the NHL. This was also given to Larsen and same with Rodin. I would play Tryamkin alongside Tanev on back-to-backs, and get Edler to play with Larsen. Scratch Sbisa and roll all three pairings evenly, with Edler and Larsen getting the majority of offensive starts. In 5 games Edler has been averaging 25 minutes a night. Tanev 20:14; Hutton 21:01; Gudbranson 18:11; Sbisa 16:15; and Larsen 18:06. We need to even out the minutes to keep everyone relatively fresh, especially so on back-to-back games and considering the condensed regular season schedule. Rotate Tryamkin in with Sbisa, even out the pairings, then roll all 3 pairs equally. Edler - Larsen Hutton - Gudbranson Tryamkin - Tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share Posted October 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: We fundamentally disagree on Linden Vey as a hockey player. IMO he showed nothing the whole time here, total waste of 2nd round pick. He was like Etem (invisible) but slower. I thought Weber was ok. It was hard for any D to look good when your team is getting assaulted all game every game. I guess that 1st statement is true because I thought Vey created a lot of scoring chances when he was playing. He was pretty shifty along the boards and was able to find the open man. I thought Weber was bad but I don't fault WD for playing him because the only other option was Pedan and IMO he isn't/wasn't NHL ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 minute ago, HarryCanuck said: Did the Canucks state in public that he came into camp outta shape? Hockey News said he came in great shape. Province that he came in bad shape. So who knows, he was in bad shape when he came over from the KHL so I'm going with what I read in the Province. Do the Canucks release fitness results maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 37 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: So if your contract to work in the oil patch says you don't have to go to Fort Mac, and you boss then asks you to go to Fort Mac, you're heading north with bells on? Give me a break. Well ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 This is just rumor mongering . He signed a contract that gives him the right to play in the NHL or go home. He has the right. This is why many big men take time. His body carries 265 ld's. This does not mean he is fat and out of shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 hour ago, LaBamba said: A 22 year old with a handful of games under his belt should not consider this optional. He should consider it a gift. I agree. I frustrated and disappointed as well as I have said earlier in this thread. I just think it's pre mature to "ship his ass back to Russia" Hopefully he changes his mind, if not the team should keep working with him to get him in game shape. I heard yesterday that Doug Lidster was really skating him hard a couple of days ago. Perhaps he's getting close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, HarryCanuck said: Did the Canucks state in public that he came into camp outta shape? There was no official announcement , but there were some hints in various interviews. This was discussed quite a bit on CDC earlier and got some coverage from talking heads. And the Canucks never denied it. I remember one interview where JB was asked about several players and he said Gaunce came to camp in great shape, he talked about Baertschi working on strength, and Jake and Bo working on strength and conditioning. Hutton gained strength over the summer as well. All he could say about the progress Tryamkin had made over the summer was that his English was bit better. So, it is not definitive, but it seems unlikely that Tryamkin is in the same category as guys like the Sedins, Horvat, Guddy, Gaunce, etc, who work hard on conditioning, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovechkinisgod Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 It sounds to me like a lot of you don't understand the difference between conditioning stint and demotion. Yes, you're absolutely right that it's in his contract and he can exercise the choice to not be sent to the AHL. However, that clause was put in the contract to prevent Tryamkin from spending the entire season in the AHL instead of the NHL (which is fair, because he left Russia to chase his dream of being an NHL player) But if he's actually serious about making the team as a regular, he would take the 3-4 games in Utica, gain some valuable playing time and experience, and come back with a better chance of sticking. Any true and dedicated athlete would choose the playing time over sitting in a press box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willpower Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Tryamkin didn't look very good at all in the preseason. Slow and plodding, without any really big upside other than his long reach. If he doesn't play well enough to get in the lineup, then that's on him. Perhaps he's operating on bad advice and doesn't understand the concept of conditioning stint. But the longer he sits on the bench, the harder it will be for him to crack the lineup. He's screwing himself here, not the team. Besides, it's not just WD making these decisions, he's operating on advice from his assistant coaches who are working more closely with individual players. Funny how he takes none of the credit for popular moves (the assistant coaches get it there), and all of the blame for unpopular ones. Defensive coordinator says "hey Willie, this guy's just not skating well enough to be part of my system, he's not ready to go", Willie says "alright". People say "Lynch Willie!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 46 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: So if your contract to work in the oil patch says you don't have to go to Fort Mac, and you boss then asks you to go to Fort Mac, you're heading north with bells on? Give me a break. Absolutely this +1. And if anyone wants to debate this send them my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 He should take a tip from his countryman Pedan...when he was put on waivers and sent down he accepted it in stride and said I have to play and get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 10 minutes ago, LaBamba said: Well ya Or Saskatchewan in my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 29 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Follow Vancouver CanucksVerified account@Canucks Burrows and Dorsett will not play. Skille and Biega are in vs. Ducks. Hard to believe, but WD is putting Biega in over Tryamkin tonight. And what is our record so far this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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