stuman491 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 If this has been covered already. Sorry, just ignore. After watching the game last night against the Senators I was struck by the fact that we are not going to score many goals this year. I thought Beartschi looked dangerous at times, but had longer moments where you didn't notice him. Other than Hansen what Canucks do you notice on a shift to shift basis? After last night and how goo Stetcher looked, there is no way they can send him down again. He was hands down the best Canuck on the ice. I think our Goaltending and Defense has been the best part of our team. Our forwards are not at all what I was hoping for. I guess I should have seen this coming. To the point: Are we going to score enough to stay .500 the rest of the season? If not can we solve this? If Stetcher stays, where does he slot in and how does this effect the other d pairings? What do we do with Virtanen? (he looks hurt, but trying to play through. Respect) The Sedins and Erickson look slow, but effective at times. What do we do there? That's whats been rattling around in my head. Would love to hear CDC thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Still no real scoring threats 23rd in the league for scoring bottom 5 for gpg average $6 million Eriksson is looking like $5 million Vrbata 4th worst blue line scoring in the league Bottom 3 power play No push back But hey, 4-2-1 right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuman491 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 I want to be optimistic, but your right. Its not looking good. I am surprised by the no push back. For some reason I thought Gudbranson was going to be the magic pill that suddenly made our team stand up for one another. The Chara effect. Unfortunately until the roster turns over more we wont see that. Too bad. And yea. If this play keeps up that 2 games over .500 isn't going to last long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madwolf Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 We could definitely use Baertschi and Erikkson finding their shots right now. Our defense has been good enough to win most games, we need to have the offense show up more consistently, or at all, to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_T83 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 We were lucky to start 4-0, really, really lucky. Our underlying numbers weren't even good during that 4-0 start, and Horvat/Guance are ~42% in faceoffs. If we continue to lose faceoffs, dump and chase, and fail to drive play, we are going to finish in the bottom 10. We don't have the personnel to compete. The biggest problem with the team is clearly asset management. The trades for Granlund/Gudbranson actually aren't terrible. However, we gave up Corrado for nothing in a losing season. I would have much rather we kept him and let him play last season. He would have developed, for sure. And now the same thing happens with Etem, we give him away for nothing. We could have kept Etem and let him play, get a few good games in and wait for his trade value to go up, then trade him for an asset. Hell, we almost lost Markstrom the exact same way a few years ago. We also need to mention that we let Eddie Lack go for a 2nd round pick. This is just piss poor managing of the team. The proof is in the pudding. Just ask yourself: compared to when Benning took over the team, has he really improved the team in any meaningful way? I would argue he has not improved the team, and thus has failed in his job. I'm predicting that Benning and WD are both fired by the end of the season. Trevor Linden may keep his job, but if the next GM/coach don't work out, he's done too. It's a tough time to be a Canucks fan right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 It's way too early for the panic button. I start judging around 20 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Matt_T83 said: We were lucky to start 4-0, really, really lucky. Our underlying numbers weren't even good during that 4-0 start, and Horvat/Guance are ~42% in faceoffs. If we continue to lose faceoffs, dump and chase, and fail to drive play, we are going to finish in the bottom 10. We don't have the personnel we need to compete. The biggest problem with the team is clearly asset management. The trades for Granlund/Gudbranson actually aren't terrible. However, we gave up Corrado for nothing in a losing season. I would have much rather we kept him and let him play last season. He would have developed, for sure. We probably wouldn't have done much worse with him. And now the same thing happens with Etem, we give him away for nothing. We could have kept Etem and let him play, get a few good games in and wait for his trade value to go up, then trade him for an asset. Hell, we almost lost Markstrom the exact same way a few years ago. And then we let Eddie Lack for for basically nothing. This is just piss poor managing of the team. The proof is in the pudding. Just ask yourself: compared to when Benning took over the team, has he really improved the team in any meaningful way? I would argue he has not improved the team, and thus has failed in his job. I'm predicting that Benning and WD are both fired by the end of the season. Trevor Linden may keep his job, but if the next GM/coach don't work out, he's done too. It's a tough time to be a Canucks fan right now. Did you actually think a rebuild would be quick and pretty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 People are being way to hard on Eriksson. So far he's been solid defensively, and has shown fantastic passing skills. That one handed pass to Bo was a beauty. He's had some good shots and he easily could have 3 goals. The twins seems to be struggling just as much or more. Stecher is a lot of fun to watch - he really should get into the lineup in Larsens spot for 1/2 the season. I think if he got that he could slot in as a starter full time next season. Solid goaltending as expected. Sbisa is better, still odd unnecessary pizza but thats going to be his thing for his career probably. He's making up for it in some pretty damn hard hits. Jarvis has brought the additional coaching we needed. Not all, but a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Hopeful that Gudbranson starts playing with a bit more physicality. He made sharp passes yesterday and stopped a fair share of zone entries, but needs to instill fear into the opposition more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, Matt_T83 said: We were lucky to start 4-0, really, really lucky. Our underlying numbers weren't even good during that 4-0 start, and Horvat/Guance are ~42% in faceoffs. If we continue to lose faceoffs, dump and chase, and fail to drive play, we are going to finish in the bottom 10. We don't have the personnel to compete. The biggest problem with the team is clearly asset management. The trades for Granlund/Gudbranson actually aren't terrible. However, we gave up Corrado for nothing in a losing season. I would have much rather we kept him and let him play last season. He would have developed, for sure. And now the same thing happens with Etem, we give him away for nothing. We could have kept Etem and let him play, get a few good games in and wait for his trade value to go up, then trade him for an asset. Hell, we almost lost Markstrom the exact same way a few years ago. And then we let Eddie Lack for for basically nothing. This is just piss poor managing of the team. The proof is in the pudding. Just ask yourself: compared to when Benning took over the team, has he really improved the team in any meaningful way? I would argue he has not improved the team, and thus has failed in his job. I'm predicting that Benning and WD are both fired by the end of the season. Trevor Linden may keep his job, but if the next GM/coach don't work out, he's done too. It's a tough time to be a Canucks fan right now. As soon as I see that name in a post regarding the Canucks, all interest in the post dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 All that energy they showed clawing back in those early games has disappeared. They have led once in 7 games. I knew there was a ton of luck in getting those early wins but the effort was there and it has been missing since the puck dropped in Anaheim. They better get it back. I am tired of watching Sbisa stink it up making worse plays than I did in junior B. Yet he is the only guy hitting out there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 16 minutes ago, Matt_T83 said: We were lucky to start 4-0, really, really lucky. Our underlying numbers weren't even good during that 4-0 start, and Horvat/Guance are ~42% in faceoffs. If we continue to lose faceoffs, dump and chase, and fail to drive play, we are going to finish in the bottom 10. We don't have the personnel to compete. The biggest problem with the team is clearly asset management. The trades for Granlund/Gudbranson actually aren't terrible. However, we gave up Corrado for nothing in a losing season. I would have much rather we kept him and let him play last season. He would have developed, for sure. And now the same thing happens with Etem, we give him away for nothing. We could have kept Etem and let him play, get a few good games in and wait for his trade value to go up, then trade him for an asset. Hell, we almost lost Markstrom the exact same way a few years ago. We also need to mention that we let Eddie Lack go for a 2nd round pick. This is just piss poor managing of the team. The proof is in the pudding. Just ask yourself: compared to when Benning took over the team, has he really improved the team in any meaningful way? I would argue he has not improved the team, and thus has failed in his job. I'm predicting that Benning and WD are both fired by the end of the season. Trevor Linden may keep his job, but if the next GM/coach don't work out, he's done too. It's a tough time to be a Canucks fan right now. There's only so many roster spots..Did you really see Etem,Corrado and Lack in the teams future...?....You've obviously forgotten the sunken ship,with no prospects that Benning acquired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 20 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Hopeful that Gudbranson starts playing with a bit more physicality. He made sharp passes yesterday and stopped a fair share of zone entries, but needs to instill fear into the opposition more. He can't do it by himself. Trust me so long as the Sedins are here leading this team you cannot expect physicality and intimidation. They lead with skill, that's the culture they instill in others and that's how the rest of the team will follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonass Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 15 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: People are being way to hard on Eriksson. So far he's been solid defensively, and has shown fantastic passing skills. That one handed pass to Bo was a beauty. He's had some good shots and he easily could have 3 goals. The twins seems to be struggling just as much or more. Stecher is a lot of fun to watch - he really should get into the lineup in Larsens spot for 1/2 the season. I think if he got that he could slot in as a starter full time next season. Solid goaltending as expected. Sbisa is better, still odd unnecessary pizza but thats going to be his thing for his career probably. He's making up for it in some pretty damn hard hits. Jarvis has brought the additional coaching we needed. Not all, but a lot. I believe some of why peeps are hard on Eriksson is the 6 mil , your right he has actually been a good player, He doesn't get points when he screens the goalie but we get a goal. He will score some goals and earn his spot in the top 6 but does he earn 6 mil ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dragonass said: I believe some of why peeps are hard on Eriksson is the 6 mil , your right he has actually been a good player, He doesn't get points when he screens the goalie but we get a goal. He will score some goals and earn his spot in the top 6 but does he earn 6 mil ? 6 mil ain't what it used to be. Is Loui 60% of the $10 mil player Kopitar is? Id say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 I suppose just keep using Bo in a "defensive" role, even though his the only player who can make a play one on one with speed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fateless Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 32 minutes ago, Matt_T83 said: However, we gave up Corrado for nothing in a losing season. I would have much rather we kept him and let him play last season. He would have developed, for sure. And now the same thing happens with Etem, we give him away for nothing. We could have kept Etem and let him play, get a few good games in and wait for his trade value to go up, then trade him for an asset. We also need to mention that we let Eddie Lack go for a 2nd round pick. This is just piss poor managing of the team. So let me get this straight. You claim our team has had bad asset management based on the fact that we waived two players who have been subsequently waived by the teams that picked them up and made zero impact on those teams. We didn't get a 2nd for Lack, it was a 3rd and 7th. That is what his value was at the time. Its not bad asset management to get rid of players that have no value to make room for players that do have value to gain experience in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 1 minute ago, SaintPatrick33 said: I suppose just keep using Bo in a "defensive" role, even though his the only player who can make a play one on one with speed.... Bo's been a beast but needs more support, otherwise teams will now just keep putting 2 guys on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 33 minutes ago, Baggins said: Did you actually think a rebuild would be quick and pretty? That's just it, 75% of posters, talk the talk but won't walk the walk.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 The way the NHL make our schedule is a joke, I think after 3 days off and they get to practice at home again, we will see a different team on Friday/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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