JM_ Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 5 hours ago, alfstonker said: Sorry I think if you watch the coach's interview the ice time is dictated by Jake's performance. So while you make it sound like policy it is not, it is governed by performance and attitude. No they are not they are treating the team as they have been employed to by the owners i.e. as a business. We are not Toronto, we will vacate the arena like snow off a hot roof if we have any extended period of failure. It's ok people like you pontificating on the benefits of waiting on your second marshmallow but the reality is this club could suck $millions out of the owner's pockets with a policy like that in this City. We have a decent coach and management who are trying to win but look what happened when we lost 3 in a row. All hell breaks loose and all the bedroom coaches and basement GMs start acting like they have a clue. Some say they won't go back and others say they will just look at the highlights (I think that's what many of them do anyway) THIS FANBASE HASN'T THE BALLS, THE PATIENCE OR THE ATTENTION SPAN to wait for their second marshmallow and the owners don't have deep enough pockets even if they could. I dispute we are nibbling at it, we are eating it because that is our only real option. As I say why should the owners absorb $millions in losses when our fanbase can't be bothered to buy their seats or season tickets. It's a two way street. It is fine to talk in idealistic and marshmallow analogies but this is Vancouver, the city that turned to riots and burning just because they lost a Stanley Cup final. the balls? wtf? did some bigger kid beat you up for your marshmallow? is that what all this is about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 7 hours ago, Twilight Sparkle said: Tell me, my unicorn aficionado, what does friendship taste like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 wrapping a dead horse marshmellows doesn't lessen the beating of that horse. Same ol' tired argument, but this time with a barely relevant analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 5 hours ago, S'all Good Man said: the balls? wtf? did some bigger kid beat you up for your marshmallow? is that what all this is about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, alfstonker said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spur1 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 As always there are other options. When the marshmallow test was done buddy and I made a deal, we split one marshmallow and kept one. We then had one marshmallow each. Win win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsbutcher Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 6 hours ago, Crabcakes said: As long as management sticks with their plan I'll be happy. Has anything changed with respect to the rebuild since last year? Not really. Last year, they said that they wanted to win and make the playoffs. When Benning arrived, the plan was to develop players in a winning environment, so 2 years ago, they wanted to win. And now this year, they want to win too. This talk about winning ahead of developing is spin. They're trying to sell tickets. Are they rebuilding and slowly introducing drafted players? Still, yes. Year 1. Horvat. Year 2. McCann, Virtanen. Year 3. Gaunce. Have they been adding players in their early 20's to help make up for poor drafting for 5-7 years? Yes Year 1. Bonino, Sbisa, Vey. Year 2. Sutter. Bartkowski, Etem, Granlund. Year 3. Rodin, Larsen, Gudbranson, Stecher. Have they been adding veteran players to shoulder the responsibility and tough match ups on top lines? Yes Year 1. Vrbata, Miller, Dorsett. Year 2 Prust, (Sutter....there's some overlap). Year 3. Erickson. The difference between this year and last year is the new system they're playing. Year 1 McCann gone, Virtanen hope he pans out, Gaunce dime a dozen Year 1 Bonino Sbisa and Vey, ill stop right there and wont get into Bartkowski and Etem Year 1 Prust and Dorsett in for tough match ups, we will agree to disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 So the op is saying we are soft like marshmellows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 10 hours ago, Baggins said: I see it the opposite way. You guys wanting kids to be handed ice time regardless of performance are the one marshmallow people. No patience. Those of us wanting the kids to be brought along slowly and earn their roster spot and ice are the two marshmallow folks. We have the patience. 8 hours ago, J.R. said: Ding f'ing ding. That covers my comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 4 hours ago, Qwags said: Tell me, my unicorn aficionado, what does friendship taste like? @Apples ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpworsley Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 12 hours ago, alfstonker said: Sorry I think if you watch the coach's interview the ice time is dictated by Jake's performance. So while you make it sound like policy it is not, it is governed by performance and attitude. No they are not they are treating the team as they have been employed to by the owners i.e. as a business. We are not Toronto, we will vacate the arena like snow off a hot roof if we have any extended period of failure. It's ok people like you pontificating on the benefits of waiting on your second marshmallow but the reality is this club could suck $millions out of the owner's pockets with a policy like that in this City. We have a decent coach and management who are trying to win but look what happened when we lost 3 in a row. All hell breaks loose and all the bedroom coaches and basement GMs start acting like they have a clue. Some say they won't go back and others say they will just look at the highlights (I think that's what many of them do anyway) THIS FANBASE HASN'T THE BALLS, THE PATIENCE OR THE ATTENTION SPAN to wait for their second marshmallow and the owners don't have deep enough pockets even if they could. I dispute we are nibbling at it, we are eating it because that is our only real option. As I say why should the owners absorb $millions in losses when our fanbase can't be bothered to buy their seats or season tickets. It's a two way street. It is fine to talk in idealistic and marshmallow analogies but this is Vancouver, the city that turned to riots and burning just because they lost a Stanley Cup final. Moral of the story is: If you mention Riots and burning you will get + reputation marks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceGeorgeGoon Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Riots and burning in my pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 I don't have a problem with a young player having to perform to earn his ice time. However there are some players that need that ice time over an extended period of time to get going. I'm like that. No middle gear. But once I get going look out. So it shouldn't be a hard fast rule. I don't see the logic in playing skille over jv. My gut feeling is that good ice time over an extended period of time would see Jake gradually get better. Make what you want of my gut feeling Any of you who are familiar with Jakes junior career should be able to comment on Wether he was a slow starter or not...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Glensky Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 13 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: Or getting drunk while eating a s''more.... Thats looks like a very horrible hangover... But worth try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Twilight Sparkle said: @Apples ;D Shoulda guessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper00 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Not going to lie, I thought you were making a reference to our teams "toughness" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 5 hours ago, garthsbutcher said: Year 1 McCann gone, Virtanen hope he pans out, Gaunce dime a dozen Year 1 Bonino Sbisa and Vey, ill stop right there and wont get into Bartkowski and Etem Year 1 Prust and Dorsett in for tough match ups, we will agree to disagree Nothing has changed in Bennings approach, that's the point. Not everybody worked out obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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