terrible.dee Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 This got me thinking… http://deeluxdx7rock.blogspot.com/2016/10/jake-virtanen-why-are-vancouver-canucks.html And then hearing some on TV last night say something like "He's not respecting the team by drawing attention to his ice time" lead me to believe that if Virtanen wants to repair some of the damage done to him by the Canucks organization. He may need to become a lot more proactive and not trust the Canucks to have his best interests at heart. Tryamkin's refusal to be burried in the minors is one good example, sometimes , like in Virtanen's case, it may have been best as he was drafted so high it's unlikely he would have been passed over, but someone like Tyamikan would have only lost "Curb appeal" by allowing himself to be sent down. The Canucks would have devalued his brand upon demotion to that of "AHL prospect" and not "Wild Card with Huge potential" which keeps his perceived value with other GM's and the KHL high. Once down he would be devalued and totally at the Canucks mercy as far as where he could play and what he could earn in NA. This aggressive approach has him earning an NHL salary and inching closer to the end of his ELC without his image being tarnished. I suggest Virtanen could benefit from meeting with Nikita's agent, because who ever he has at the moment has allowed his client to be bent over backward to accommodate the team, without ever treating him like a star and increasing his perceived worth. Virtanen should think about giving Drouin a call and ask him about being treated like a star and how you only get the respect you demand. The clock is ticking on Virtanen, every day he spends away from scoring goals in a topo 6 role is another day he forgets what it's like to be there and perhaps loses a little confidence that he could get back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caknuckle Puck Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Ehh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 That's a terrible i-dee-a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, terrible.dee said: This got me thinking… http://deeluxdx7rock.blogspot.com/2016/10/jake-virtanen-why-are-vancouver-canucks.html And then hearing some on TV last night say something like "He's not respecting the team by drawing attention to his ice time" lead me to believe that if Virtanen wants to repair some of the damage done to him by the Canucks organization. He may need to become a lot more proactive and not trust the Canucks to have his best interests at heart. Tryamkin's refusal to be burried in the minors is one good example, sometimes , like in Virtanen's case, it may have been best as he was drafted so high it's unlikely he would have been passed over, but someone like Tyamikan would have only lost "Curb appeal" by allowing himself to be sent down. The Canucks would have devalued his brand upon demotion to that of "AHL prospect" and not "Wild Card with Huge potential" which keeps his perceived value with other GM's and the KHL high. Once down he would be devalued and totally at the Canucks mercy as far as where he could play and what he could earn in NA. This aggressive approach has him earning an NHL salary and inching closer to the end of his ELC without his image being tarnished. I suggest Virtanen could benefit from meeting with Nikita's agent, because who ever he has at the moment has allowed his client to be bent over backward to accommodate the team, without ever treating him like a star and increasing his perceived worth. Virtanen should think about giving Drouin a call and ask him about being treated like a star and how you only get the respect you demand. The clock is ticking on Virtanen, every day he spends away from scoring goals in a topo 6 role is another day he forgets what it's like to be there and perhaps loses a little confidence that he could get back there. This is an interesting perspective. Clearly the new breed of players compare themselves to theirdrafted peers. JV is seeing guys drafted in his class BY FAR out performing him. He sees them getting better opportunities, so he's frustrated, just like Druin. As a soap opera this is actually rather enjoyable to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Yip... let the patients run the asylum... Great idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 The lunatics are on the grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I'm interested to know what the OP thinks that would look like. Right now, doesn't Virtanen have everything he wants except for more ice time? In the Drouin analogy, wouldn't he have to be sent to the AHL first? And isn't that what half the board is crying for? And if Virtanen wants more ice time, isn't that the perfect place to get it? It seems to me that the only thing that's being discussed here is that Virtanen is struggling with limited ice time. And so he should "pull a Drouin" and ask for a trade because he's being treated like every other young player ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 that would be a major mistake. he isn't playing more because he isn't playing good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver911 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 How?, If he plays 10min a game on fourth line not gonna happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Virt was given the keys to the kingdom without having done a thing to earn them - shame on the Canucks. Now Virt is complaining he's being asked to actually earn what he's been given - shame on Jake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, terrible.dee said: This got me thinking… http://deeluxdx7rock.blogspot.com/2016/10/jake-virtanen-why-are-vancouver-canucks.html And then hearing some on TV last night say something like "He's not respecting the team by drawing attention to his ice time" lead me to believe that if Virtanen wants to repair some of the damage done to him by the Canucks organization. He may need to become a lot more proactive and not trust the Canucks to have his best interests at heart. Tryamkin's refusal to be burried in the minors is one good example, sometimes , like in Virtanen's case, it may have been best as he was drafted so high it's unlikely he would have been passed over, but someone like Tyamikan would have only lost "Curb appeal" by allowing himself to be sent down. The Canucks would have devalued his brand upon demotion to that of "AHL prospect" and not "Wild Card with Huge potential" which keeps his perceived value with other GM's and the KHL high. Once down he would be devalued and totally at the Canucks mercy as far as where he could play and what he could earn in NA. This aggressive approach has him earning an NHL salary and inching closer to the end of his ELC without his image being tarnished. I suggest Virtanen could benefit from meeting with Nikita's agent, because who ever he has at the moment has allowed his client to be bent over backward to accommodate the team, without ever treating him like a star and increasing his perceived worth. Virtanen should think about giving Drouin a call and ask him about being treated like a star and how you only get the respect you demand. The clock is ticking on Virtanen, every day he spends away from scoring goals in a topo 6 role is another day he forgets what it's like to be there and perhaps loses a little confidence that he could get back there. Stopped reading this post right there. Then out of the corner of my eye I see your suggestion about being treated like a star and only getting the respect you demand? I had to neg you right here. How old are you? Because you obviously don't understand human interaction. One does not get respect that is demanded. One EARNS respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Drouin scored 1.89 points per game in Junior. Virtanen scored 0.84. We're talking about very different calibres of player. The time for Virtanen to "pull a Drouin" would have been to literally trade Virtanen for Drouin while the holdout debacle was going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, MJDDawg said: One does not get respect that is demanded (unless you're in the military). One EARNS respect. And in the the military the demanded respect has been previously earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Virt was given the keys to the kingdom without having done a thing to earn them - shame on the Canucks. Now Virt is complaining he's being asked to actually earn what he's been given - shame on Jake. To be fair, Virtanen's complaining is mostly a fabrication of the media and us on this board. If one actually listens to what Virtanen said and the way/tone that he said it, it did not come across as a petulant kid calling out his coach. It came across more like him defending himself (or perhaps excusing himself?) for his poor play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, nzan said: And in the the military the demanded respect has been previously earned. Good point. I'll edit my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 To become more polished and get Ice time Jake should be in the A. Let him play top minutes there for a couple months so he can feel top line and management/coaching can get a better evaluation. Then IF HE PROVES HIMSELF, bring him back up and place him accordingly with what he has earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyg43 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Jake is only starting his second season in NHL of 3 of his ELC ,NExt year he can play Druin if can get off his snide this year would be the year but highly unlikely at this point in time. I agree he needs to be scoring more ,but that may be slightly out of reach playing 2-6 minutes a night an benched for two or so games at a time . He seems lost out there at times an coasts hate to say it but his game does appear to be going the other way,I really thought he was injured early? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Jake wasn't wrong on his facts. He did cross an invisible line with the help of some hack local media but even with that if you actually listen to what he said its not really an open flaying of Willie. Trying to make this into something even remotely like Drouin's situation is kind of ridiculous. Jake never asked to be treated like "a star". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neversummer Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 He's no Drouin ... if he did, he can kiss his dream of playing in the NHL goodbye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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