kingofsurrey Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Glad to see sickos investigated and charged.... BUT I would prefer to see trained law enforcement officers doing these kinds of investigations......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 When we lump in 2, 8, 12 and 15 year-old girls into the same group requiring CC's intervention, you can see where its possible where some misplaced hysterics come from concerning kids being molested by creepers. Lots of minor aged girls are out there having sex with older guys, but somehow we imagine them all to be these 7 year-olds being lured off into the bushes - by a man in a clown costume with a puppy. CC is selling this concept as the norm, pandering to a hate for real creeps. This is dangerous. Imagine if you were accused on camera, but innocent. Scary thought. Worse yet, this has happened! As an aside, I remember girls in high school who were "dating" much older guys, men even. Some even married these "perverts". Not all 15 year-old girls are mentally handicapped, innocent, naïve, virgins, easily tricked by opportunistic, greasy men. Some porn stars were "children", as defined by law. Not all crimes are equal. I'm all for bashing folks to bits who hurt kids and then some, but this CC thing is out of control. When its a certainty, and how often is that, why bother protecting the creepers? Give them to the father and sell those tapes instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 2 hours ago, 189lb enforcers? said: When we lump in 2, 8, 12 and 15 year-old girls into the same group requiring CC's intervention, you can see where its possible where some misplaced hysterics come from concerning kids being molested by creepers. Lots of minor aged girls are out there having sex with older guys, but somehow we imagine them all to be these 7 year-olds being lured off into the bushes - by a man in a clown costume with a puppy. CC is selling this concept as the norm, pandering to a hate for real creeps. This is dangerous. Imagine if you were accused on camera, but innocent. Scary thought. Worse yet, this has happened! As an aside, I remember girls in high school who were "dating" much older guys, men even. Some even married these "perverts". Not all 15 year-old girls are mentally handicapped, innocent, naïve, virgins, easily tricked by opportunistic, greasy men. Some porn stars were "children", as defined by law. Not all crimes are equal. I'm all for bashing folks to bits who hurt kids and then some, but this CC thing is out of control. When its a certainty, and how often is that, why bother protecting the creepers? Give them to the father and sell those tapes instead. Isn't the "golden rule" for minimum age for your date is like.... divide your own age by 2 and then plus 7? And besides, the law is the law. If you try to engage in sexual activity with someone below the age of consent.... it doesn't matter if the child in question says it's ok... the law says it's illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 CC strikes me as an org that dresses up as Traci Lords and catches, the "creep". I have my 14 and 10 year-old daughters. I would volunteer to work for CC, if done right, I am that dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Does anyone know if creepcatchers hire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 On 29/11/2016 at 6:13 PM, Lancaster said: Isn't the "golden rule" for minimum age for your date is like.... divide your own age by 2 and then plus 7? And besides, the law is the law. If you try to engage in sexual activity with someone below the age of consent.... it doesn't matter if the child in question says it's ok... the law says it's illegal. Who follows that though most guys aren't looking for a relationship. They are just looking for an easy quick bang. Usually older more mature women over 30 are more difficult to finesse due o their experiences. So that is why they target young girls who are seemingly more naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 These Creep Catchers are useless, if they are really trying to do a public service they should try to find ways of going after the traffickers as well as the sickos and find a way to make sure they get legally put away. What they are doing right now are actually further endangering young women by making these sort of practices more underground. So they shame the perverts, what does that do? Does it put them in jail? No, they end up just walking away after a bit of harrassment. Get the perverts but do it in a way where the pervert gets put away. Then we can say this group is legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumatic Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 On 12/1/2016 at 7:56 AM, Chip Kelly said: Does anyone know if creepcatchers hire? Creep Catchers is always hiring. Requirements: - cell phone - pitch fork - torch - no education required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel_3 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 26 minutes ago, Traumatic said: Creep Catchers is always hiring. Requirements: - cell phone - pitch fork - torch - no education required Hahaha...I've watched a few videos, I like that they are exposing some real creeps, but the way they do it makes them look really stupid sometimes. A few of them just resort to yelling and swearing which can just make them sound like meat heads. I always like the calm, stern and educated approach that Chris Hansen used in 'Catch a Predator' he was sharp and witty making the 'suspect' look like a total fool at times. "It says here you want to beep them in the beep?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 3 hours ago, smokes said: These Creep Catchers are useless, if they are really trying to do a public service they should try to find ways of going after the traffickers as well as the sickos and find a way to make sure they get legally put away. What they are doing right now are actually further endangering young women by making these sort of practices more underground. So they shame the perverts, what does that do? Does it put them in jail? No, they end up just walking away after a bit of harrassment. Get the perverts but do it in a way where the pervert gets put away. Then we can say this group is legit. Traffickers are just the symptoms of the problem as they just exist to service demand. But it's true that they need to find a way to make their effort and evidence gathered more useful for law enforcement. If they really want to make a difference, they need to team up with the police, perhaps some detectives to double check all the information, make sure all the proper steps are taken, and then provide an officer or two to show up as well during the meet up with the pervert. The police should be ecstatic about a bunch of individuals providing free labour towards an investigation. Chances are, they are more concerned about protecting their "turf" than anything IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 2 scenarios come to mind: 1/ (the easier one to sort out) - a man's daughter has run away from home. It's been months. He is afraid and desperate to find her / to help her. One of his tactics is to meet with young girls in hopes that one of them is his daughter with whom he can reason into coming back home. Suddenly he's on Creep Catchers. Again, a simple misunderstanding that could be easily sorted out, but potentially embarrassing to an innocent man. 2/ The sicko in question is truly a sicko, a psychopath. He has offered up to meet the young girl but with darker intentions. He arrives at the meet up spot...armed. Now the situation just got serious...and deadly. The Psycho will not go down easily...and a ton of innocent and well-meaning individuals lives are in danger. That scenario will only end badly for all involved. Is CC culpable for the deaths that may result from a deadly encounter? Are they even trained/prepared for a deadly encounter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 3 hours ago, diesel_3 said: Hahaha...I've watched a few videos, I like that they are exposing some real creeps, but the way they do it makes them look really stupid sometimes. A few of them just resort to yelling and swearing which can just make them sound like meat heads. I always like the calm, stern and educated approach that Chris Hansen used in 'Catch a Predator' he was sharp and witty making the 'suspect' look like a total fool at times. "It says here you want to beep them in the beep?" Why don't you have a seat....right over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel_3 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 4 hours ago, RRypien37 said: Why don't you have a seat....right over there. hahahaha.....best episode is where they chase the guy and taze him and he screams like a girl then pisses himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 On 10/31/2016 at 0:56 AM, Junkyard Dog said: Reminds me of a Boondocks scene. Hide contents That show looks fun does it still come on anywhere or just Netflix? On 11/25/2016 at 6:41 PM, Neversummer said: Update - whatever you think of CC ... this one will be charged. A former principal no less !! Former Mission elementary school principal charged with child luring after Creep Catchers sting http://globalnews.ca/news/3089803/mission-elementary-school-principal-charged-with-child-luring-after-creep-catchers-sting/ A former Mission elementary school principal has been charged with child luring in Abbotsford. Jason Alan Obert, 37, was charged Friday, a month after the Fraser Valley Creep Catchers group posted a sting video of their members confronting him at Sevenoaks Shopping Centre. Abbotsford Police say officers met with a representative from the group on Oct. 24 and obtained a copy of their video and other evidence. Obert, who was working as the school principal at the time he was caught by Creep Catchers, has been released under conditions that include that he refrain from communicating or interacting with any under 18 years of age except his children, and when in the company of an approved adult. Always surprises how some of these creep are regular family man on the surface with young children which they don't molest. But apparently other people's children are fair game. Pedo logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 YER DONE BUD!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada’s-self-proclaimed-pedophile-hunters-doing-more-harm-than-good-police-say/ar-AAn4HI3?li=AAacUQk&ocid=spartandhp " A new breed of vigilante has set its sights on exposing predators trying to lure children online — using nothing but their smartphones to do so. These self-proclaimed pedophile hunters set up fake social media profiles, masquerading as vulnerable teens, to turn the tables on the so-called “creeps.” The online chats turn into real-world confrontations, and the smartphones used to arrange these meetings become cameras to record them. Hundreds of Canadians from across the country have been put in the spotlight when these groups post videos to sites such as Facebook and YouTube. A handful of them have faced criminal charges. Together, the videos have millions of views. But a W5 investigation of the largest vigilante network of its type in Canada, the Creep Catchers, has found their cameras often don’t tell the whole story. Cases with truly horrifying chats have been lumped in with chats that show no evidence of any sexual intent, the nationwide network’s enormous online audience never knowing the difference. Critics say the group doesn’t understand the law, and may be motivated less by a pursuit of justice as a pursuit of fame and social media reach, which can lead to money. “My feeling was more or less anger toward the people who did this,” said Eric Rajah, the father of a young man targeted near Red Deer, Alta. In the video, the Red Deer Creep Catcher accuses Rajah’s son of inviting a 15-year-old boy over for the night. The young man denies it in tears. “I’m not a creep. I’m not a molester. I’m nothing,” he says. W5 has reviewed the chat logs in that case and found no sexual content. The young man said he was offering help to a teenager who said he was growing up gay in rural Alberta. The chat logs show the pair meeting “just as friends.” Rajah said video had caused his 22-year-old son tremendous distress and damaged his reputation. “They are using our son, or any young person for that matter, as cheap entertainment,” he said. It doesn’t stop there. In its documentary Creep Out, W5 has explored other instances where seemingly innocent people have been labelled “goofs” — prison slang for child molester. In one case a woman who was targeted committed suicide. It’s no coincidence the prison term “goof” is the group’s word of choice. W5 has learned that some of these Creep Catchers have a long history of criminal convictions, with one doing federal prison time. At its height, the Creep Catchers network existed in more than a dozen Canadian cities and towns, from Surrey, B.C., to Saint John, N.B. It was founded by Dawson Raymond, who moved to Alberta after a break-and-enter conviction in Ontario. He had watched similar videos by Toronto’s Justin Payne, the first person in Canada to make a name for himself hunting pedophiles. Raymond wanted to convict his targets. But no charges have been laid in Alberta, where police say they want nothing to do with the Creep Catchers. Insp. Dave Dubnyk of Alberta’s Integrated Child Exploitation unit says the evidence collected in stings by the Creep Catchers is rarely usable in court, and that the group has interfered with police operations, including one case where a man police were ready to arrest was confronted by the vigilantes. That man cut off ties with investigators and disappeared to Winnipeg. Court documents show he’s now charged with molesting a toddler and a baby. “What they’re doing is absolutely not protecting children in any way,” Dubnyk said. Without the support of police, Raymond decided to widen his group’s net, targeting people whether they overtly wanted to have sex with children or not. “We weren’t meeting these guys unless they were saying something really sexual. We weren’t trying to catch these guys unless they were getting convicted,” he says in a Facebook video to his followers. “Well they’re not getting convicted. We’re going to start meeting all these f---ers if they want to kiss or go to a movie or whatever because it’s f---ed up to want to do that with a kid regardless,” he says. Yet arranging to meet a child is not against the law, said Craig Jones, a B.C. lawyer who has been following the Creep Catchers. Behind the chat, there must be proof of intent to kidnap or sexually abuse a child. The wide, indiscriminate net cast by the Creep Catchers runs the risk of capturing innocent interactions, such as those between a child and a mentor, a parent, a music teacher or a coach, he said. “It’s disturbing that a subgroup of people are so fixated on the idea of children as sexual objects that they can’t conceive of another purpose for an adult and a minor to have a conversation,” Jones said. Dawson Raymond didn’t agree to an interview. The Red Deer Creep Catcher, Carl Young, has been convicted more than 25 times in his native New Brunswick, where there is a warrant for his arrest. He stands behind Raymond’s interpretation of the rules, and says he’ll keep trying to protect kids. “If I had a 12-year-old boy and you asked him to come over and spend the night to watch a movie, is that right?” he said. Young’s “catch” actually led police to arrest him: he now faces charges of harassment and mischief in Red Deer. W5’s Creep Out will be broadcast Sat., Feb., 18 at 7 p.m. local time. 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Gurn Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 ^ As some of us said, Creep Catchers screws things up and hurts the legal fight against child exploitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traumatic Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 A recent W5 story about Creep Catchers - if you can tolerate the bad quality. I found it very informative and interesting. Really sheds light on this trailer park operation: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iced Canucks Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I found the W5 report very interesting as well (you can go on the Global website for better quality). It opens the fine line between actually finding the "creeps" and monetary motives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 from CKNW: Quote The president of Surrey Creep Catchers is being sued for defamation. The plaintiff from Abbotsford alleges that on February 6th 2017, Ryan Laforge falsely and maliciously communicated with him, indicating on Facebook that he was involved in a scheme to procure sex with an under-age girl. The suit says Laforge knowingly published a video, that was viewed over 56,000 times, that he knew was false or in careless disregard as to whether it was true or not. Court records show the plaintiff claiming he suffered damages to his reputation and his family restaurant. None of the allegations have been proven in court and a statement of defense has not been filed I bet that guy has no money or any assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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