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I for 1 am happy with our defensive play even after our string of losses. Our defence is tremendously better. However the goals are hard to come by. So here is my 2 options.

 

1. Trade Edler or Tanev for a young legit top 6 forward (Landeskog).

 

2. Fire WD and bring back Crawford or bring up Green. We have the offensive power we need but WD seems to be focusing on the defensive side too much. I could be just in panic mode and things may come around, but we can't be going into every 3rd period down a goal or 2 and expect to comeback enough to make the playoffs.

 

There is also option 3, we can ride the year out like this ND see how things play out and then next year we get Boeser and possibly Juolevi. 

 

What does CDC think we should do?

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6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Trade Tanev for sure.  With Stecher and Guddy playing the right side, Tanev is expendable.  Target a young forward like Sam Reinhart.

 

If we moved Tanev, our D would instantly become one of the worst in the league. 

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1 minute ago, SwedeHockey said:

 

If we moved Tanev, our D would instantly become one of the worst in the league. 

Edler Stevher

Hutton Gudbranson 

Sbisa Larsen

Tryamkin Biega

 

Our top six is actually really good.  Our top four is exceptionally good.

 

Tanev is expendable, and SHOULD BE TRADED for one elite young forward.  

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18 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Edler Stevher

Hutton Gudbranson 

Sbisa Larsen

Tryamkin Biega

 

Our top six is actually really good.  Our top four is exceptionally good.

 

Tanev is expendable, and SHOULD BE TRADED for one elite young forward.  

 

Stecher has looked fantastic over a 3 game period. Expecting him to maintain his level of play for the entire course of an 82 game season is unrealistic. 

 

 

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 id turf tanev for a offensive winger guddy is defensive on right  let stecher and tryamkin play  our d pairing next yr can be 

edler stecher

hutton guddy

juolevi tryamkin

pedan

 

tanev brings no offense  but teams would value his mobility and positioning for a cup run  i say try and get drouin or landeskog  that would help the offense and of course  fire willie hes incompetent

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25 minutes ago, Sedintwinpowersactivate said:

I would target Jonathan Drouin.  I think that Tampa is close to a cup and could use mature D man help in Tanev or Edler.  I definitely think we would have to add to get a young dynamic forward like Drouin.  He is a dynamic goal scorer that this team is lacking.

Drouin, ELC

 

Edler Tanev $4 to $5 million on the cap of a team already tight against it and possibly losing Bishop as a result

 

Not sure that's gonna work

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1 hour ago, Hortankin said:

I for 1 am happy with our defensive play even after our string of losses. Our defence is tremendously better. However the goals are hard to come by. So here is my 2 options.

 

1. Trade Edler or Tanev for a young legit top 6 forward (Landeskog).

 

2. Fire WD and bring back Crawford or bring up Green. We have the offensive power we need but WD seems to be focusing on the defensive side too much. I could be just in panic mode and things may come around, but we can't be going into every 3rd period down a goal or 2 and expect to comeback enough to make the playoffs.

 

There is also option 3, we can ride the year out like this ND see how things play out and then next year we get Boeser and possibly Juolevi. 

 

What does CDC think we should do?

 

You can't just keep making trades when the team is not doing well, as matter of fact, it's the worst time to try and make a trade as all the other teams know you're desperate and will take advantage of that. 

 

This isn't NHL17 !

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24 minutes ago, Sedintwinpowersactivate said:

I would target Jonathan Drouin.  I think that Tampa is close to a cup and could use mature D man help in Tanev or Edler.  I definitely think we would have to add to get a young dynamic forward like Drouin.  He is a dynamic goal scorer that this team is lacking.

 i was pondering the same. they wanted a right shot dman for him last year too, but if you were TB wouldnt you let go of johnson or palat before you would depart with drouin?

 

34 minutes ago, SwedeHockey said:

 

Stecher has looked fantastic over a 3 game period. Expecting him to maintain his level of play for the entire course of an 82 game season is unrealistic. 

 

 

 

exactly. people are in awww over this kid in the first 3 games and we are ready to ship out our most reliable dman?! ya hes looked good but its way too early to be hacking away at our blueline over a 3 week old pro career guy in stetcher

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The two forwards I'd like to see (and I've suggested before)

 

1) McCarron in Montreal.

2) Boone Jenner in Columbus (he's struggling has 1 assist in 7 games). 

 

Jenner in combination of Nutivaara (Who is waiver exempt).

Send Nutivaara and Virtanen to Utica. Tanev, Cassels and Columbus' 2nd rounder back?

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The core of this team needs to be re-established.   Build around Horvat (Maybe Boeser and Juolevi too).

 

IF trading a defenseman for a future core player makes sense, then I'm all for it.  

HOWEVER,  I highly doubt this happens before the expansion draft.   There is too much uncertainty with protecting players,  that teams are too scared to make big trades without knowing what they may lose in the future. 

For example,  if Van trades Edler (D) for Druin (LW), then Vancouver will likely lose a forward for sure (assuming they protect Tanev, Sbisa, Gudbrasson).  Maybe that forward is Gaunce or Grandlund.    Now Van would be in a position that in order to upgrade their LW position, they would have to weaken their Defense and Center positions.  

 

I'm not saying it cant happen, but trades like this would make more sense to do after the expansion draft, when the bigger picture is known. 

 

I also think that Willie D is not getting any better.    Last night I watched the 4th line get taken advantage and scored on (1st or 2nd goal, cant remember which), in which rookie mistakes were made.   And that opened up the question, why is Gaunce (rookie), playing on the same line as Zalewski?   That is way too green to play against a strong Washington lineup.  WD did a great job protecting his rookies with verterns in the past, so why is he feeding Gaunce to the Sharks? 

 

Also looks really bad when the home team gets shut out 2 games in a row.   We saw that last year, I expect the team (coaching) to learn from their mistakes.   Maybe its time to move WD? 

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55 minutes ago, Rocksterh8 said:

 

You can't just keep making trades when the team is not doing well, as matter of fact, it's the worst time to try and make a trade as all the other teams know you're desperate and will take advantage of that. 

 

This isn't NHL17 !

 

That's not NHL 17 either. Nobody loses games in NHL 17. Too easy.

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2 hours ago, billabong said:

 i was pondering the same. they wanted a right shot dman for him last year too, but if you were TB wouldnt you let go of johnson or palat before you would depart with drouin?

 

 

exactly. people are in awww over this kid in the first 3 games and we are ready to ship out our most reliable dman?! ya hes looked good but its way too early to be hacking away at our blueline over a 3 week old pro career guy in stetcher

 

You could argue that Stecher or Tryamkin are not ready to play now, but who cares.  We are not winning the cup this season or next.  What we need to do is accumulate young talent that will grow together hitting their primes to have another cup run in a few years.  Trading Edler or Tanev now makes sense if we can get youngish goal scoring talent back.  I like Palat and Johnson as well.  But Johnson is at the high end of age I'd be looking for at 26 now.  The key is move our assets that still have value now for assets that can help us when our new core will be ready to compete.  For those that say trade the Sedins.... just stop.... that ship has sailed... they will retire Canucks and I'm good with that.

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3 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

The two forwards I'd like to see (and I've suggested before)

 

1) McCarron in Montreal.

2) Boone Jenner in Columbus (he's struggling has 1 assist in 7 games). 

 

Jenner in combination of Nutivaara (Who is waiver exempt).

Send Nutivaara and Virtanen to Utica. Tanev, Cassels and Columbus' 2nd rounder back?

Why Jenner? He seems slow. I want us to get fast, stick-handling skaters who are creative with the puck.

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I would go with option A and B. Trade Tanev and a pick or prospect depending on the return. Like for eg Tanev and clb2nd for JVR and the leafs 1st top 5 protected Or if you want more of a player now Tanev our 1st top 10 protected for duchene or Landi, but im sure we would be adding for that to happen.

 

Either way, Tanev is our best trade chip alom=ng with our first top 10 protected of course. I see Edler and Troy as better partners. Meaning Tanev would be on a 3rd pairing and he is way too good for that. might as well try to fix one of our biggest problems scoring goals. 

Not saying to do this now, but if in 10 more games were still unable to score, maybe that it is something they consider. 

Or just play with what we got and see what this season show us.

 If Bar and Virt don't improve, especially id WD gives Jake a top 9 roll our rolls 4 lines consistently at least  we will have an idea on what if any progress was made

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