gino#29 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 2 hours ago, Baggins said: Why would Benning ask him to take a conditioning stint in Utica then? You think Benning based that on just Willie's word? Do you realize how many coaches and trainers are wiith the team? Do you think Benning may have taken a glance at the fitness testing results? You don't think he paid any attention to training camp or preseason? I don't think Willies is the complete idiot in these parts. I'd say some others have a firm hold on that title. slightly out of shape 67 270 who cares.stecher and larsen are a combined _10 and the the team absolutely sucks when they're in the lineup at the same time.doesn't take a genius to see who should get the next chance.they said he's lost 3 percent body fat and he's ready to go.a bear isn't in the same physical condition like a bunny like WD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 8 hours ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: I remember when Kesler came in. I'm pretty sure we traded our top players for picks and asked him to play 25 minutes a night against the other teams best players while producing offense. After 4 years of that he was suddenly good. GREAT EFFING EXAMPLE. 8 hours ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: Jeez, obviously we should just throw him in the deep end because there is just no way it could go badly. And think of how soothing it would be for "long-suffering" fans. Seriously, at least you're emotional. Nobody is asking for these guys to get 20 minutes a game at least 10-12 minutes to start for these guys to show what they can do. Kind of boring to watch guys like Weber, Bart, Higgins, Skille Sbisa when they are a detriment to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 2 hours ago, SaintPatrick33 said: Nobody is asking for these guys to get 20 minutes a game at least 10-12 minutes to start for these guys to show what they can do. Kind of boring to watch guys like Weber, Bart, Higgins, Skille Sbisa when they are a detriment to the team. It's like watching paint dry. But that's not a good reason to ruin our prospects by putting them in when they're not ready. The coaches know better than we do. The fact that good players have played on bad teams doesn't exactly negate the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I am sure all of our prospects can handle 10-12 minutes per game. Especially if the match ups are done on home ice. Too many posters here make excuses for our clubs lack of development / poor coaching. Win/Losses are not important. Development of our younger players is the goal this year. Sooner Willie D is fired the better for the future of our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 4 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: I am sure all of our prospects can handle 10-12 minutes per game. Especially if the match ups are done on home ice. Too many posters here make excuses for our clubs lack of development / poor coaching. Win/Losses are not important. Development of our younger players is the goal this year. Sooner Willie D is fired the better for the future of our club. Benning and Desjardins reiterated the goal for next season, as always, will be to make the playoffs. Canucks president of hockey operations Trevor Linden, who held a less formal press conference after Desjardins and Benning met the media, said: “We’ve always said we want to make the playoffs, want to be competitive. But we’ve never taken our eye off the future. We’ve never mortgaged the future to make the playoffs and we’re not going to do that now. “We knew we were going to have to go down this path and the risk we were going to run was exactly what we saw this year. That was always the scary part of it — you’ve got an older group, you know you’ve got to get younger, you know you’ve got to plan and develop the next core. And how that meshes together is the challenge. We were hoping for the best, and it didn’t work out this year.” http://vancouversun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-wont-sacrifice-future-to-make-playoffs-next-year-linden Sorry King but the plan hasn't changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshinefe Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I don't agree with the OP or demoting the Sedins to a 3rd line, but I think it may be time to consider soon lowering their role on the team. If they can't produce more than like 0.5 points per game with the top minutes, the best PP opportunities at their age, I think it's time to give the youngsters a bigger opportunity. I like the Sedins as much as anyone, but they look like they've lost not just 1 but 2 steps, and continuously make slow, crappy passes right into the skates of opposition. I'm not very confident in them at all to carry the team this season. It seems a disaster 70% of the time these guys get the puck--they're not only out skated by almost everyone now half their age (and they were never fast), their ability to make amazing tic-tac-toe plays are countered almost every single time as well (everyone has a book on them). Eriksson came off a monster season and couldn't do anything with 2 supposed high end playmakers... So I agree that the Canucks needs to maybe consider urgently replacing the Sedins as the premiere scorers on the team; if they both make it over 60 points with top line minutes and PP opportunities this year, I'd be awfully surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Moonshinefe said: I don't agree with the OP or demoting the Sedins to a 3rd line, but I think it may be time to consider soon lowering their role on the team. If they can't produce more than like 0.5 points per game with the top minutes, the best PP opportunities at their age, I think it's time to give the youngsters a bigger opportunity. I like the Sedins as much as anyone, but they look like they've lost not just 1 but 2 steps, and continuously make slow, crappy passes right into the skates of opposition. I'm not very confident in them at all to carry the team this season. It seems a disaster 70% of the time these guys get the puck--they're not only out skated by almost everyone now half their age (and they were never fast), their ability to make amazing tic-tac-toe plays are countered almost every single time as well (everyone has a book on them). Eriksson came off a monster season and couldn't do anything with 2 supposed high end playmakers... So I agree that the Canucks needs to maybe consider urgently replacing the Sedins as the premiere scorers on the team; if they both make it over 60 points with top line minutes and PP opportunities this year, I'd be awfully surprised. If we manage to convince the opposing coaches that the Sedins are our third line and Bo is our first line so they match their best defenders against Bo, the Sedins/Eriksson may well have a 70 to 80 point season against their bottom D-men. It's a great strategy if the opposing coaches are all basically Homer Simpson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gino#29 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 8 hours ago, Baggins said: Benning and Desjardins reiterated the goal for next season, as always, will be to make the playoffs. Canucks president of hockey operations Trevor Linden, who held a less formal press conference after Desjardins and Benning met the media, said: “We’ve always said we want to make the playoffs, want to be competitive. But we’ve never taken our eye off the future. We’ve never mortgaged the future to make the playoffs and we’re not going to do that now. “We knew we were going to have to go down this path and the risk we were going to run was exactly what we saw this year. That was always the scary part of it — you’ve got an older group, you know you’ve got to get younger, you know you’ve got to plan and develop the next core. And how that meshes together is the challenge. We were hoping for the best, and it didn’t work out this year.” http://vancouversun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-wont-sacrifice-future-to-make-playoffs-next-year-linden Sorry King but the plan hasn't changed. talk is cheap,if that was goal they should have fiired halfwit before the season started.we pay for this faking team we have every right to be pissed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 4 hours ago, gino#29 said: talk is cheap,if that was goal they should have fiired halfwit before the season started.we pay for this faking team we have every right to be pissed off. How much do you pay and who is forcing you? I honestly don't think they care you're pissed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 5 hours ago, gino#29 said: talk is cheap,if that was goal they should have fiired halfwit before the season started.we pay for this faking team we have every right to be pissed off. No offence but just because you obviously lack the intellect to understand the situation the Canucks are in, it doesn't really qualify you to call the coach a halfwit. As for talk being cheap it sounds like you have a lifetime of experience bud. Most of us understand that this Club is in flux at present and it is going to take time and at least another 2 drafts before we start to build the type of team we all want to see but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't attempt to win in the meantime. Willie is a winner, he has also proved he knows how to develop young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lastresort318 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 5 hours ago, alfstonker said: No offence but just because you obviously lack the intellect to understand the situation the Canucks are in, it doesn't really qualify you to call the coach a halfwit. As for talk being cheap it sounds like you have a lifetime of experience bud. Most of us understand that this Club is in flux at present and it is going to take time and at least another 2 drafts before we start to build the type of team we all want to see but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't attempt to win in the meantime. Willie is a winner, he has also proved he knows how to develop young players. Name one player who Willie has developed. Guy is a joke of a NHL coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 4 hours ago, Lastresort318 said: Name one player who Willie has developed. Guy is a joke of a NHL coach. Baertschi is playing much better since his arrival as opposed to the perimeter guy he was and defensive liability. Horvat doesn't often make mistakes in his own end. Even Jake is playing more responsibly. Rome wasn't built in a day. Don't expect these young guys to turn into superstars overnight. Coaches don't have a magic wand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lastresort318 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 4 hours ago, Baggins said: Baertschi is playing much better since his arrival as opposed to the perimeter guy he was and defensive liability. Horvat doesn't often make mistakes in his own end. Even Jake is playing more responsibly. Rome wasn't built in a day. Don't expect these young guys to turn into superstars overnight. Coaches don't have a magic wand. Jakes best play came when he played from a different coach at the wod juniors. Horvat played well on his own. Willie didn't give him any oppurtunity. Baertschi got better when Horvat got hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EdgarM Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I think its time for the Sedins to step down from the top line and more minutes need to be given to Bo/Sutter. Also the Larsen experiment did not go well just like the Weber or Vey in the past. He came to save the PP and it is not very good not to mention his -9 plus minus. Bo seems to thrive on more minutes and his defensive play has improved over last year. I would even like to see Bo double shifted from time to time as I think he can pretty much play with anybody. I agree with others in that I believe Jake should be given more ice time. He is one of our high draft picks and I would like to see what he can do with more ice time. Yes his attitude needs to change but I think he is young and he will mature with age. I also agree that Tryampkin needs to be given a chance as well. What better of a time when it appears Larsen needs to sit in the press box for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Been said a few times around here but it's time to split up the Sedins. One old slow predictable guy per line is enough. Make them think a bit instead of just do what they've always done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin's Dog Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 I also think it's time to blender the lines for Saturday: D Sedin Sutter Hansen Danny is an underrated passer with 2 righties on his line and Sutter is more of a shooter than a passer. Baertschi Horvat. Virtanen build for the future Granlund H Sedin Eriksson well best of the rest. Lesser competition will help? burrows Gaunce Dorsett Defense because of injuries: hutton Gudbranson tryamkin Stetcher Sbisa Larsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 On November 3, 2016 at 0:39 PM, CeeBee51 said: Been said a few times around here but it's time to split up the Sedins. One old slow predictable guy per line is enough. Make them think a bit instead of just do what they've always done. Blender time. Virtanen-Henrik-Hansen Daniel-Horvat-Erikkson Baerschi-Sutter-Granlund Labate-Gaunce-Dorsett Burrows Hutton-Gudbranson Tryamkin-Stecher Sbisa/Pedan-Subban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Stanley's Canucks Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 5 hours ago, Positive Canuck said: Blender time. Virtanen-Henrik-Hansen Daniel-Horvat-Erikkson Baerschi-Sutter-Granlund Labate-Gaunce-Dorsett Burrows Hutton-Gudbranson Tryamkin-Stecher Sbisa/Pedan-Subban I like splitting the Sedins up but I think it's hard for wingers to switch to opposite sides. I think it's easier for centers to play wing, so this could work just as good: 20-53-36 47-33-21 22-60-18 14-50-15 maybe swap 22 w/ 20 but the way the Sedins have been playing, I think they should be given less responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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