JM_ Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 So Montreal says it needs more D, and they've sent Sergachev down this week. The have ~3.1 in cap space, and Luca's cap hit is 3.6. Sbisa would bring some +'s: some hard hitting and solid #5 minutes. And he's going to be expansion draft eligible 1/2 way through this season. Plus he's been much better since his flaying by the fancy stats crowd a couple of years ago, and Montreal doesn't seem obsessed with fancy stats to build their club. Montreal has two 2nd round draft picks this year, and 3 2nd rounders for 2018, and 3 young forwards under 23, and a BC-born D prospect as well. So there's the parts available to make it happen. I think the only thing holding up a deal is Benning - it pretty much signals that this year is a development year and I'm not sure he's ready to do that. PS - please don't respond if its just to dump on Sbisa, lets assume for the sake of argument that he isn't the turd Travis Yost thinks he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 They already have Emelin. I can't see them wanting Sbisa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeekz37 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Sbisa could fit in well in Montreal. Depending on the return, it could open up a full time slot for Tryamkin or Stecher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, mll said: They already have Emelin. I can't see them wanting Sbisa. Yup but they have openly said that they're looking for more help now. They clearly have a window open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, Beeekz37 said: Sbisa could fit in well in Montreal. Depending on the return, it could open up a full time slot for Tryamkin or Stecher. Thats what I was thinking - we can still have a rotation of Stecher, Larsen, Tryamkin and Biega on our bottom pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Just now, S'all Good Man said: Yup but they have openly said that they're looking for more help now. They clearly have a window open. They are looking for someone to play with Weber. Right now it's Emelin because Markov is too slow and needs to have his minutes scaled back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Would Edler waive to go to Montreal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 27 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Yup but they have openly said that they're looking for more help now. They clearly have a window open. Only if the player they bring in is an upgrade on what they currently have. Sbisa isn't an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 With the Tryamkin issue I could very easily see Lindenning trying to flog Sbisa to MTL I guess we will see tomorrow won't we? Sbisa being given preferred zone starts, hard hitting mean and nasty ensures that the MTL brass and home crowd would see him on display. While he's a whipping boy here he's far from useless, just about 600k overpaid is all which some retention could handle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 38 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: So Montreal says it needs more D, and they've sent Sergachev down this week. The have ~3.1 in cap space, and Luca's cap hit is 3.6. Sbisa would bring some +'s: some hard hitting and solid #5 minutes. And he's going to be expansion draft eligible 1/2 way through this season. Plus he's been much better since his flaying by the fancy stats crowd a couple of years ago, and Montreal doesn't seem obsessed with fancy stats to build their club. Montreal has two 2nd round draft picks this year, and 3 2nd rounders for 2018, and 3 young forwards under 23, and a BC-born D prospect as well. So there's the parts available to make it happen. I think the only thing holding up a deal is Benning - it pretty much signals that this year is a development year and I'm not sure he's ready to do that. PS - please don't respond if its just to dump on Sbisa, lets assume for the sake of argument that he isn't the turd Travis Yost thinks he is. so montreal has said they want sbisa and benning said no? have i got this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsofthands Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 nobody wants sbisa, we &^@#ed up giving an rfa a terrible contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Believe it or not folks, Defence men are at a premium and hard to find, much more valuable than forwards at this time. I think Sbisa would be a good option for alot of teams bottom pairing and cold fetch at least a 2nd and prob more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeekz37 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 I'm all for seeing what the return on Sbisa is, but it has to make sense. 3rd picks or lower are not adequate enough, at least a 2nd and a lower end prospect to bolster Utica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 42 minutes ago, smithers joe said: so montreal has said they want sbisa and benning said no? have i got this right? no no - didn't mean say that. I was just musing that it would take an admission by Benning that this isn't necessarily a 'win now' year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 46 minutes ago, Warhippy said: With the Tryamkin issue I could very easily see Lindenning trying to flog Sbisa to MTL I guess we will see tomorrow won't we? Sbisa being given preferred zone starts, hard hitting mean and nasty ensures that the MTL brass and home crowd would see him on display. While he's a whipping boy here he's far from useless, just about 600k overpaid is all which some retention could handle Right, and also who is MTL going to give up for a "top 4" - certainly not a guy like Galchenyuk, and probably not their 1st. Sbisa's skill set, salary and the return potential seems right to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 52 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Only if the player they bring in is an upgrade on what they currently have. Sbisa isn't an upgrade. Oh for sure he is - he's better than Pateryn who's their #6 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Would Edler waive to go to Montreal? he might, but I don't know how they fit him in under the cap tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Would do it for Torrey Mitchell and a 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 While Sbisa isn't as bad as what some people say and he does bring in some truculence for the Canucks.... if he can be trade away, it'll almost be an addition by subtraction. Sbisa has had 8 years of NHL experience (albeit not all full seasons), yet he is still making mistakes in his own end like holding the puck too long, clutching up when he's getting pressured, etc. Chances are he's not gonna get any better and his ceiling will be a 5th defenseman. $3.6 million for a bottom pairing guy isn't good value. He's not offensively gifted, he's decent defensively, but that's about it. Sure, some toughness.... but still not enough. If the Canucks can somehow get a 2nd rounder from the Canadiens for him, I'd say take it and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Rocksterh8 said: Believe it or not folks, Defence men are at a premium and hard to find, much more valuable than forwards at this time. I think Sbisa would be a good option for alot of teams bottom pairing and cold fetch at least a 2nd and prob more. Defenseman of Sbisa's caliber are a dime-a-dozen. When they are paid 3.6M on the cap they are close to worthless. No one who is serious about contending is going to pay that price for a bottom pairing defensman. Sbisa I would wager would clear waivers, which puts his value in the negative territory for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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