Maybe This Is for the Best

[Nex is my ex]

I know I'm going to get negative rep for this, and I'm fine with that. With that being said I was one of the people who was all aboard the win now bandwagon from the start of the off-season. I believed in the players, I thought for sure we'd make the playoffs. But one thing I've noticed this season is we are screwed when the Sedins retire. Horvat is great but is he really a 1C? Maybe getting a top 3 pick is what's best for the team moving forward. We're gonna need a 1C to even contend with up and coming teams in the future. Maybe it's for the best to finally get that young exciting player to make this team great again. I still want the team to win, but if we lose is it really a bad thing? a 1-2 punch of Nolan Patrick and Bo Horvat would be deadly and with young studs like Boeser, Juolevi, Stecher, Hutton, and Demko I think we can be a contender, but not if we don't get that #1 center. 

Thoughts? 

P.S this is only my 2nd post so sorry if I screwed something up

[Kevin Biestra]

I think it's rather apparent what we have with this team.  We need top end talent in the years to come.  We've been hands down the worst team in the league for the last two weeks and I would say this team's absolute best case scenario (in terms of winning now) would be to squeak into the playoffs and lose in the first round like we did against Calgary the other year.

 

Nolan Patrick isn't McDavid, but you don't get Mario Lemieux / Crosby / McDavid / Gretzky in the draft every year.  He will be a welcome addition if he "only" turns out to be a Denis Savard or even Dave Andreychuk caliber player.  He will be a welcome addition if he "only" turns out to be a Geoff Courtnall level player.

 

We need high picks.  It's obvious now, and will be painfully, horribly obvious when the Sedins either retire or decline into 3rd liners.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

Knowing Canucks' luck, even if they finish dead last in the league, they will probably get the 4th pick instead.

[Darius]

7 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Knowing Canucks' luck, even if they finish dead last in the league, they will probably get the 4th pick instead.

Especially with Vegas being in the draft lottery. I doubt Buttmans golden boys lose to the Canucks. 

['NucK™]

The Sedins are signed through next season though, so I think it's pretty hard to say what the team will look like 2 years from now. yeah if they retired now, the Canucks would be an absolute joke. but in 2 years it's very possible we'll be seeing Boeser in his first full NHL season, Markstrom in his prime with Demko backing him up, Stecher and Tryamkin in our top 4, and hopefully big improvement in some guys like Horvat, Virtanen, Granland, Gaunce, or Baerstchi. All hypotheticals but just saying that you can't judge the team w/o the Sedins as it stands now.

 

Whatever does happen though, I think it's a good time to have JB as our general manager so we don't squander whichever solid picks do come our way

[-SN-]

25 minutes ago, Nex is my ex said:

I know I'm going to get negative rep for this, and I'm fine with that. With that being said I was one of the people who was all aboard the win now bandwagon from the start of the off-season. I believed in the players, I thought for sure we'd make the playoffs. But one thing I've noticed this season is we are screwed when the Sedins retire. Horvat is great but is he really a 1C? Maybe getting a top 3 pick is what's best for the team moving forward. We're gonna need a 1C to even contend with up and coming teams in the future. Maybe it's for the best to finally get that young exciting player to make this team great again. I still want the team to win, but if we lose is it really a bad thing? a 1-2 punch of Nolan Patrick and Bo Horvat would be deadly and with young studs like Boeser, Juolevi, Stecher, Hutton, and Demko I think we can be a contender, but not if we don't get that #1 center. 

Thoughts? 

P.S this is only my 2nd post so sorry if I screwed something up

 

Frankly, we're screwed with the Sedins not retired. They're still good, but they clearly don't stack up against the rest of the league as first-liners. When they're gone we have 14 million free, and a lot more flexibility on the roster to shuffle developing players around. We'll lose for a while but the changeover is important. 

[Johnny Shotgun]

I remember the good old days.....October 09th 1970...when this team took to the ice with Kurtenbach at center...and Tallon on defense we had some hope it was just the beginning...46 years later still the same old stuff. This club will NEVER win a Stanley Cup.  Guaranteed. 

 

 

[Dr. Crossbar]

We're building a good foundation from the net out. We've got a lot of promise with emerging young talent and depth we haven't had in years. Unless the organization makes a true commitment to getting proven winners and producers through FA and trade in the next few years to take us over the top, we're in for more of the same.

 

How long that window is in length is the issue. Look at Virtanen, he won't be prime for five years. That may be closer to the time frame from our youth coming together as a unit.

 

This year should be a sacrificial year to get a Top 5 (or higher). At some point, though, we need to start acquiring winners, FA or trade, proven producers to dovetail with our younger, emerging youth. 

 

We need players that know how to not only produce but also know how to win, and have won. 

 

Or we need to flip Virtanen and Juolevi and a couple other young guys to get better quicker.

 

I'm not too cool with losing for another 5-10 years with guys that can't score.

[iinatcc]

42 minutes ago, Nex is my ex said:

I know I'm going to get negative rep for this, and I'm fine with that. With that being said I was one of the people who was all aboard the win now bandwagon from the start of the off-season. I believed in the players, I thought for sure we'd make the playoffs. But one thing I've noticed this season is we are screwed when the Sedins retire. Horvat is great but is he really a 1C? Maybe getting a top 3 pick is what's best for the team moving forward. We're gonna need a 1C to even contend with up and coming teams in the future. Maybe it's for the best to finally get that young exciting player to make this team great again. I still want the team to win, but if we lose is it really a bad thing? a 1-2 punch of Nolan Patrick and Bo Horvat would be deadly and with young studs like Boeser, Juolevi, Stecher, Hutton, and Demko I think we can be a contender, but not if we don't get that #1 center. 

Thoughts? 

P.S this is only my 2nd post so sorry if I screwed something up

 

I think Horvat can be good enough to be a 1C, not an elite one but one that can be in that position and be effective. As long as the wingers are elite level players, Horvat will be fine.

 

 

[Aircool]

15 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said:

The Sedins are signed through next season though, so I think it's pretty hard to say what the team will look like 2 years from now. yeah if they retired now, the Canucks would be an absolute joke. but in 2 years it's very possible we'll be seeing Boeser in his first full NHL season, Markstrom in his prime with Demko backing him up, Stecher and Tryamkin in our top 4, and hopefully big improvement in some guys like Horvat, Virtanen, Granland, Gaunce, or Baerstchi. All hypotheticals but just saying that you can't judge the team w/o the Sedins as it stands now.

 

Whatever does happen though, I think it's a good time to have JB as our general manager so we don't squander whichever solid picks do come our way

 

I'm not saying that some of these players can't improve, of course they CAN improve. But your view of the future relies on every single one of our realistic prospects panning out perfectly, and in a timely manner. I think it also overrates some of them considerably. Besides that though, I don't think you understand how big a gap there is between prime level Sedins (which is what this team is missing) and these prospects, it's so far apart... I've been saying this forever, but there are too many homers on these boards who just don't understand how hard it is to replace them. You can't seriously think that this team could get better in the next two years (assuming no impact from a future draftee...) That opinion is about as deluded as any I've ever heard.

[Nex is my ex]

19 minutes ago, StealthNuck said:

 

Frankly, we're screwed with the Sedins not retired. They're still good, but they clearly don't stack up against the rest of the league as first-liners. When they're gone we have 14 million free, and a lot more flexibility on the roster to shuffle developing players around. We'll lose for a while but the changeover is important. 

Good point, still it'll be nice to get a young #1 C out of the draft to replace them, and use the money to sign a winger for him

Free agent-Patrick-Boeser
Baertschi-Horvat-Rodin

As our top 6 to start the rebuild

 

[THERETOOL]

13 minutes ago, Johnny Shotgun said:

I remember the good old days.....October 09th 1970...when this team took to the ice with Kurtenbach at center...and Tallon on defense we had some hope it was just the beginning...46 years later still the same old stuff. This club will NEVER win a Stanley Cup.  Guaranteed. 

 

 

I don't give out a lot of minuses. 

 Glad I saved it for your post 

 

I know your a big fan.  I know your pissed with the way things are going. 

 

I know your wrong.   Our time will come. GUARANTEED  

[wai_lai416]

our time will come lol prolly like the cubs.. not in our lifetime XD

[clam linguine]

48 minutes ago, Nex is my ex said:

a 1-2 punch of Nolan Patrick and Bo Horvat would be deadly  

If only you were here at the end of last year!   Imagine a 1-2-3 punch of Austin Matthews-Nolan Patrick- Bo Horvat!  Better late than never I guess.

[Junkyard Dog]

Don't click for Patrick!

[LaBamba]

Welcome my son. 

 

Lets face it. Every single person who is a fan of this team has said this to themselves whether they like it or not. Even the ultra homers. 

 

What I am most afraid of is Trader Jim getting ravaged by a predator like Bowman again. He now has the taste of Benning blood after the forsling kill. I can feel Jim's desperation. He ran his mouth about how much of a playoff team we are far too much over the offseason and I'm afraid his pride will result in a huge mistake. 

 

That is my only fear heading into this slide. Otherwise, let nature take its course. 

['NucK™]

14 minutes ago, Aircool said:

 

I'm not saying that some of these players can't improve, of course they CAN improve. But your view of the future relies on every single one of our realistic prospects panning out perfectly, and in a timely manner. I think it also overrates some of them considerably. Besides that though, I don't think you understand how big a gap there is between prime level Sedins (which is what this team is missing) and these prospects, it's so far apart... I've been saying this forever, but there are too many homers on these boards who just don't understand how hard it is to replace them. You can't seriously think that this team could get better in the next two years (assuming no impact from a future draftee...) That opinion is about as deluded as any I've ever heard.

Not true that my view relies "on every single one of our realistic prospects panning out perfectly, and in a timely manner". Sorry I tried to make that clear by saying "some of our", meaning one or two of those guys listed, and "all hypothetical". I just think that the OP is being over pessimistic because in 2 years you never know what sort of talent may emerge. A lot can happen in just one offseason

[Junkyard Dog]

Owners need to allow the team to transition properly instead of telling JB to glue wings on a pig then hoping it would fly after throwing it off a cliff.

[Nex is my ex]

9 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

Welcome my son. 

 

Lets face it. Every single person who is a fan of this team has said this to themselves whether they like it or not. Even the ultra homers. 

 

What I am most afraid of is Trader Jim getting ravaged by a predator like Bowman again. He now has the taste of Benning blood after the forsling kill. I can feel Jim's desperation. He ran his mouth about how much of a playoff team we are far too much over the offseason and I'm afraid his pride will result in a huge mistake. 

 

That is my only fear heading into this slide. Otherwise, let nature take its course. 

I just hope he doesn't trade our future for more old 2 way players to try and make a run. That would be a nightmare

[luckylager]

3 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

 

What I am most afraid of is Trader Jim getting ravaged by a predator like Bowman again. He now has the taste of Benning blood after the forsling kill. I can feel Jim's desperation.

I dunno, I got 5 on Tallon suckering Jim. Seems like a perfect time to make a terrible trade with Florida, right after we finally kinda won one, maybe...