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This regime is good at drafting: Virtanen pick over Nylander

This regime is good at evaluating talent: Sbisa, Vey, Clendenning, Bonino, Dorsett

This regime is good at trades: Forsling, Sutter, Hamhuis (lack there of for trading him), Lack, Kassian, Kesler, Dorsett,Vey

This regime is good at handling the cap: Sbisa, Dorsett, Corrado, Sutter, Eriksson, Miller

 

You can dispute some of these, because of course it's subjective. But really, he hasn't actually done anything that is hugely beneficial for the team. With the drafting in 2014 he picked BPA with Demko and McCann so don't try to spin that as someway to say he's a draft guru. With the 2015 draft, sure he picked a great player, but the BPA was Konecny so even a potato that drafted BPA would have done the right move. The later round picks aren't up to Benning really, that's more the USHL scouting staff, which Gillis reformed.

 

Really, what the hell are we doing, we need a good GM I don't understand why people will put up with mediocrity or a subpar GM. This team is in need of a top of the table GM, and what we get is a guy who bungles 80% of his moves. You can't rebuild with sub-par management, look at the Oilers. You also can't "retool" with sub-par management look at the Leafs pre-shannahan, or the Flames pre-rebuild.

 

This is like the Nonis era of canucks, where there really isn't something completely awful going on. But it's just across the board bad. You wanna rebuild, get top end management like Dave Tallon.

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1 hour ago, CanadianRugby said:

Linden isn't getting fired.

Benning isn't getting fired.

WD is definitely getting fired.

 

Who would I want?

New owner.

GM: GMMG

Coach: Ralph Krueger

Gillis for GM to rebuild an NHL team..this is some kind of joke right?...Maybe you should go check out our drafting record under his watch...He left a sunken ship,which has set the franchise back years.

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14 minutes ago, WTG said:

This regime is good at drafting: Virtanen pick over Nylander

This regime is good at evaluating talent: Sbisa, Vey, Clendenning, Bonino, Dorsett

This regime is good at trades: Forsling, Sutter, Hamhuis (lack there of for trading him), Lack, Kassian, Kesler, Dorsett,Vey

This regime is good at handling the cap: Sbisa, Dorsett, Corrado, Sutter, Eriksson, Miller

 

You can dispute some of these, because of course it's subjective. But really, he hasn't actually done anything that is hugely beneficial for the team. With the drafting in 2014 he picked BPA with Demko and McCann so don't try to spin that as someway to say he's a draft guru. With the 2015 draft, sure he picked a great player, but the BPA was Konecny so even a potato that drafted BPA would have done the right move. The later round picks aren't up to Benning really, that's more the USHL scouting staff, which Gillis reformed.

 

Really, what the hell are we doing, we need a good GM I don't understand why people will put up with mediocrity or a subpar GM. This team is in need of a top of the table GM, and what we get is a guy who bungles 80% of his moves. You can't rebuild with sub-par management, look at the Oilers. You also can't "retool" with sub-par management look at the Leafs pre-shannahan, or the Flames pre-rebuild.

 

This is like the Nonis era of canucks, where there really isn't something completely awful going on. But it's just across the board bad. You wanna rebuild, get top end management like Dave Tallon.

What a load of malarkey this post is....for all the good moves that NHL GM's do....theres always a bunch that are not so great (we could probably go through every GM in the league and make up hindsight lists of so- so moves)....there's obvious rebuttals for all your cherry picked ' this regime is good ..blah,blah..

 

Nice try on your BPA spin..Benning scouted Demko extensively at Boston College..and even his first draft alone: Virtanen,McCann,Demko,Tryamkin ..blew away anything that his predecessor ever did...That 2014 draft is shaping up to be one of the best drafts the Canucks have had in over a decade.....You also conveniently forgot to mention Brock Boeser drafted the following year.

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

We need our owners to allow a rebuild. Not a new GM.

 

A new GM would probably focus on 'winning now' to an even greater extent because it is clear that's what the owners want and JB hasn't been fairing well building a win now group.

 

 

A "win-now" group is misleading. Benning said he will never say he is not trying to make the playoffs.any GM that say they're not trying to win goes against all the reasons the sport exists in the first place.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Honky Cat said:

What a load of malarkey this post is....for all the good moves that NHL GM's do....theres always a bunch that are not so great (we could probably go through every GM in the league and make up hindsight lists of so- so moves)....there's obvious rebuttals for all your cherry picked ' this regime is good ..blah,blah..

 

Nice try on your BPA spin..Benning scouted Demko extensively at Boston College..and even his first draft alone: Virtanen,McCann,Demko,Tryamkin ..blew away anything that his predecessor ever did...That 2014 draft is shaping up to be one of the best drafts the Canucks have had in over a decade.....You also conveniently forgot to mention Brock Boeser drafted the following year.

Hindsight?

 

Was Dorsett and Sbisa's contracts hindsights? What about Virtanen over Nylander? What about "2nd line center" Sutter? Absolutely not, people realized those were bad trades and called them out as such.

 

Also, Vey/Clendenning were huge issues with pro-scouting. If we just had competent pro-scouts you'd see that they were busts. But I guess the great talent evaluator doesn't evaluate talent that well.

 

Benning scouted Demko "a few times", plus he was BPA

Konecny was BPA over Boeser at the time. I guess you'd also spin that as good scouting if he went BPA with that pick.

McCann, BPA.

 

It's like praising someone for drafting McDavid. Who else are ya gonna pick?

 

Benning simply isn't a good GM. People simply, "settled for Benning", they don't realize that to be a top end team in the league it's gotta start from the top down. Benning is not a top end GM, he's a bottom 5 GM.

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16 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

 

Really?  Because Virtanen looks great, right?  McCann to eh, 0 points in 10 games this year what a stud.   Tryamkin can't even get in good enough shape to play and goalies are unpredictable and we won't know for another 5 years minimum

 

You say every year GM's make so-so moves?  Well every year GM's make good draft picks to

 

You don't see it at all as a tad to early to decide whether his picks are good or not? Rookie season is over - you failed!

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27 minutes ago, The 5th Line said:

 

Really?  Because Virtanen looks great, right?  McCann to eh, 0 points in 10 games this year what a stud.   Tryamkin can't even get in good enough shape to play and goalies are unpredictable and we won't know for another 5 years minimum

 

You say every year GM's make so-so moves?  Well every year GM's make good draft picks to

If it weren't so incredibly infuriating it would almost be funny. Virtanen and Tryamkin both showed up at training camp out of shape. Benning has claimed numerous times that he and his scouting staff put a lot of emphasis on character.

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8 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

 

Owners need to let him do his job properly.

 

 

Owners need to wrap their head around the fact that short term patches in order to hopefully make some gate money during the playoffs will result in half empty buildings during the regular season.  Aquas desire to win now only creates perpetual sub mediocrity.  They need to commit to a long term picture and sell the fans on a fresh start and fresh young players.

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7 hours ago, Lui's Knob said:

 

Our second line hinges on Granlund who was AHL fodder 12 months ago. Sutter/horvat/Gaunce all play a similar game and only Bo has a scoring touch (above average shot). Virtanen looks lost and disinterested as a 6th overall. 

 

For or a meat and potatoes philosophy it sure is working - we have very little skill/scoring. The only tough players are Dorset who can barely do anything with the puck and gets unnecessarily into  opponents for too much money. Then you have pizza man Sbisa who in almost every game has a uncharacteristic dumb moment. But he was who we wanted for Kesler.

 

the team has no chips to trade and the ones they do have are worthless. Who is Responsible for icing a product on the ice worth watching? 

Meat and potatoes with no salt and pepper. You can't have one without the other.

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5 hours ago, Baggins said:

 

Those 2nd's, if they beat the odds and make it at all, are 3 to 5 years away from playing in the NHL. This is why he needed to trade some for the interim. We needed some NHL ready talent. Nobody gets a hit with every draft pick. Some are better than others, but it doesn't mean every pick will pan out. That said, a guy with an eye for talent doesn't have that end with junior players. That eye for talent would also extend to AHL and NHL players. And again, it doesn't mean every one will pan out.

 

 

 

I don't see the need for rushing the process. 3-5 years sounds great. 

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2 hours ago, The 5th Line said:

 

I'm starting to think that nobody in this organization even watched Jake play or  even interviewed him before they made the pick.. I mean I know this isn't true but sometimes I wonder...

 

I have heard that he is a whiner, I have heard him whine, showing up out of shape, spending all his money on trucks and boats, Bieber concerts, he can't do an interview without mumbling and overusing the words "Ya know".  They definitely skipped the character criteria for that pick.

 

 

You  make it sound like it was just the Canucks organization had him ranked in the top 10.  Several highly reputable sources watched him play and had him ranked in the same ballpark as the Canucks.  Benning's decision was not an aberration.

 

ISS:  http://www2.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=114013

Bob MKenzie:  https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2014/06/24/bob-mckenzies-2014-nhl-draft-rankings/

The hockey writers: http://thehockeywriters.com/2014-nhl-draft-rankings-the-next-ones-final-top-210/

 

its easy to sit here and nit pick in retrospect, isnt it?  Not only that, Jake has only ONE year under his belt yet you are already trashing him.  Do you know how many players didnt start making an impact until years 3 to 5?  Sure he is off to a slow start but we have proven vets, you know guys that are getting paid 6 million a year because they have 30 goal years under their belts, not doing anything either. Its not like those guys suddenly lost all of their talent. Other than Bo, nobody is playing really well - but Jake , 10 games into year 2 and averaging like 8 minutes a game, is trash.  Sure.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, WTG said:

Hindsight?

 

Was Dorsett and Sbisa's contracts hindsights? What about Virtanen over Nylander? What about "2nd line center" Sutter? Absolutely not, people realized those were bad trades and called them out as such.

 

Also, Vey/Clendenning were huge issues with pro-scouting. If we just had competent pro-scouts you'd see that they were busts. But I guess the great talent evaluator doesn't evaluate talent that well.

 

Benning scouted Demko "a few times", plus he was BPA

Konecny was BPA over Boeser at the time. I guess you'd also spin that as good scouting if he went BPA with that pick.

McCann, BPA.

 

It's like praising someone for drafting McDavid. Who else are ya gonna pick?

 

Benning simply isn't a good GM. People simply, "settled for Benning", they don't realize that to be a top end team in the league it's gotta start from the top down. Benning is not a top end GM, he's a bottom 5 GM.

Virtanen over Nylander... 5million pages on CDC about how good Virtanen was compared to the Swedish girl and the Danish Midget (whom I actually was hoping for). so its not as if it was a pick totally against the expectations.

Sutter deal... no problem.

Boeser...Nobody knows yet, who's got the better player, but not disappointed with the pick.

So despite some questionable decisions, overall don't think Benning has done bad.

 

All the GM's have faults... Yesterday a few posters wanted MG back... Funny after all the complaints about NTC's handed out by him.

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7 hours ago, LaBamba said:

 

Sutter, Baer and Gud have made us into a powerhouse eh? Problem solved. When the dust settles, we are no better today then we would be without those trades. Why trade away picks to make yourself incrementally better? Especially when you have the ability to pick good players with every pick you have? 

 

Regards, LB. 

 

I don't recall suggesting that the addition of these players has turned the team into a "powerhouse", however, I do believe that the team is better with them than without. And certainly obtaining these guys is not the end of this re-build/tool/what-ever, but it does help 

 

Feel free to spin and tweak (or twerk) this to fit your agenda of doom and gloom. :)

 

                                     regards,  G.

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