nickels Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 With the current salary structure, it is very important IMO that your top paid players are somewhat spread out age wise. A lot of these perennially crappy teams have a lot of players that will be looking for big $$ around the same time.(Buff,Edm,Tor etc) The thought that we are waiting today for our next draft pick almost a yr from now to start the turn around is very depressing. I'm sure ownership/mgmt feel the same way. What would be fair value for our 1st overall next yr (prob 1-4 pck) Sam Reinhart ? Draisaitl ? Nugent Hopkins(not really interested) Just curious of peoples thoughts. Even Nolan Patrick is not McD/Eichel or Matthews and wont be an impact player for at least 3 years IMO. Would have top be a bona fide top line player under 23 yrs old. Building around He, Bo,a young D, and young goaltending is at least a starting point, with a reasonable chance of success. Then look at Tanev/Edler or both around the deadline for a couple more pieces. Sedins retaining a large amt of salary for 1 more yr should also be looked at TDL time. Liked the Dallas proposal earlier...Honka and the rights to Nichuskin If Landeskog is on the table for a Tanev/Virtanen type package...jump on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, nickels said: Even Nolan Patrick is not McD/Eichel or Matthews and wont be an impact player for at least 3 years IMO. Not as if the Canucks are 1 great player away from being even a borderline playoff team on a consistent basis, so trading the pick would be a pretty terrible idea. No quick fixes for this team. Just years of bottom feeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 It is worth 1 Timothy Liljegren. Basically there is almost nothing worth trading that pick for because we are not going to succeed constantly trading our future for patches....need an example, google Vancouver Canucks Cup Wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Keep the pick. Build up the prospect pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 bottom six two way player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoesRooster Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, Blue Jay 22 said: Keep the pick. Build up the prospect pool. Trade the pick to build up the prospect pool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 18 minutes ago, Warhippy said: It is worth 1 Timothy Liljegren. Basically there is almost nothing worth trading that pick for because we are not going to succeed constantly trading our future for patches....need an example, google Vancouver Canucks Cup Wins Liljegren with our first then a LW/C with our 2nd? I can get behind that. Then trade Tanev for the last part to our future first line? Juolevi - Liljegren Hutton - Gudbranson Tryamkin - Stecher Markstrom/Demko That's how you start building a contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay 22 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, JoesRooster said: Trade the pick to build up the prospect pool? How does trading the pick for someone like Reinhart, RNH, or Landeskog as the OP mentioned build up the prospect pool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, Pears said: Liljegren with our first then a LW/C with our 2nd? I can get behind that. Liljegren with our first then trade ours and the columbus 2nd maybe a + to jump up to draft Cal Foote and then do nothing but draft high risk high reward forwards for the next 3 years. Or do that trade up for BC boy Rasmussen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoesRooster Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Just now, Blue Jay 22 said: How does trading the pick for someone like Landeskog as the OP mentioned build up the prospect pool? It doesn't necessarily need to be for Landeskog. There's plenty of viable options out there, honestly just spitballing here but there are guys out there who have wanted out of their teams for a while and are young, also somewhat proven. i.e Trouba, Drouin, Skinner (last year), Brodin.... jeez even RNH.. I don't know, but there are a couple guys on that list I'd throw the 2017 1st for AND then some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 We're getting a top 10 pick.We need to build around the future core now. There's only so much duct tape can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, Blue Jay 22 said: Keep the pick. Build up the prospect pool. I agree with this. There's no getting around it. The Canucks need high end offence and need those 1st rounders. Especially next draft, the Canucks may be in the top 3 after the lottery. Keep the picks, try to remain patient. The Sedins and Eriksson are the veteran stars, the guys who make the big bucks, the leaders on this team, they need to get it done every night. They are failing. Botch can blame Gudbranson for not protecting the Sedins all he wants. The Sedins don't need protection, they need to score. If thy can't keep up and can no longer play the fast, physical NHL game, then maybe it's time to consider retiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Liljegren with our first then trade ours and the columbus 2nd maybe a + to jump up to draft Cal Foote and then do nothing but draft high risk high reward forwards for the next 3 years. Or do that trade up for BC boy Rasmussen Yea that could work out pretty well too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 The Canucks shouldn't be moving any picks. If they keep their current trend up they will need to load up on young talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, Pears said: Yea that could work out pretty well too. IN a draft so weak Bob Mckenzie is calling the #1 frontrunner an elite 2nd line center but not a franchise defining center, go with the best D and look for outliers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 The reasoning for this thread doesn't make any sense either. Why would a team trade a core player for an unknown pick? Troubles down the line in terms of the salary cap still doesn't mean you let go of players like Reinhart and Draisatl. You pay these players what they are worth and cut cap elsewhere on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 17 minutes ago, Warhippy said: IN a draft so weak Bob Mckenzie is calling the #1 frontrunner an elite 2nd line center but not a franchise defining center, go with the best D and look for outliers In a draft year so weak, we are trending in the wrong direction. We can't even get that right. lmao. If Patrick is an elite 2nd line center, then I'd go with the best dman, which would be Timothy Liligren (sp?). A future pairing of Juolevi-Liligren would be amazing. Which still would mean we would suck the year after unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: In a draft year so weak, we are trending in the wrong direction. We can't even get that right. lmao. If Patrick is an elite 2nd line center, then I'd go with the best dman, which would be Timothy Liligren (sp?). A future pairing of Juolevi-Liligren would be amazing. Which still would mean we would suck the year after unfortunately. While some of the scouts surveyed by TSN do not discount Patrick evolving into that role, the consensus view is Patrick is projected more as a second-line NHL centre and doesn't have the same “wow” factor as McDavid, Eichel and Matthews. "He's going to be a good, maybe very good, NHL player," one scout said, "but he isn't a dynamic player. His skating isn't bad but he's not dynamic like those others [McDavid, Eichel and Matthews]." Patrick, like Matthews a year ago, is going to be scrutinized heavily because he's one of the oldest first-time draft eligible players this year's class. Incidentally, Patrick underwent sports hernia surgery in late July and missed considerable training time this summer, both on and off the ice. McCrimmon, who is still the Wheat Kings' owner, said Patrick is scheduled to be the opening-night lineup on Friday. Matthews, with a Sept. 17 birthday, missed being eligible for the McDavid-Eichel 2016 draft year by only two days. Had Matthews been available in 2016, scouts pegged him at that time as no lower than No. 3 behind McDavid and Eichel, but with a chance to push Eichel for the No. 2 spot. Patrick's birthday is Sept. 19, so he was just four days off being eligible for last season's draft. Had he been available last June, where would he slot amongst the best players of a very strong draft class, like Matthews, Patrik Laine, Jesse Puljujarvi and Pierre-Luc Dubois, among others? Button: Nolan Patrick a franchise centre TSN Analyst and Scout Craig Button joins Leafs Lunch to discuss his 2017 edition of Craig's List, ranking the top prospects for the upcoming draft. The consensus amongst scouts surveyed by TSN is that Patrick wouldn't have displaced any of the top four picks in last year's draft. Depending on the scout, they retroactively rank Patrick anywhere between No. 5 and 10, based on his 2015-16 season. "That's not a knock on Nolan," a scout added. "Last year's top guys were really exceptional." And therein lies the real story of the 2017 draft. Relative to last year, it's just not as exciting a group of prospects. Also, beyond Patrick, it's really quite a hodgepodge trying to sort out who are the money-in-the-bank elite prospects in this draft. If that is what scouts and experts are saying. You draft the best D man. Vs Liljegren 2. Timothy Liljegren: The Swede is the undisputed top defenceman in this draft and, at this point, it's not even close. Scouts say his offensive game is far more developed than his defensive game. He is an elite skater, both in terms of speed and agility, and adept at running a power play. He is seen as both a puck mover and an offensive point producer. No one is suggesting he's the next Erik Karlsson, not by any means, but scouts say he has some of the same qualities and, therefore, has the potential to be projected as a possible top pairing defenceman in time. Button Scouting Report: Patrick at head of the class TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button breaks down the top five prospects in Bob McKenzie's pre-season draft rankings, highlighted by potential franchise centre Nolan Patrick of the Brandon Wheat Kings. Liljegren is the only prospect other than Patrick who got 10 votes from the 10 scouts as a top-10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 The problem with a team trading for a coming 1st round pick from a current lottery team is that if the player(s) you traded to the other team gets them into the playoffs, then the 1st round pick you got just became worth a lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 55 minutes ago, Warhippy said: IN a draft so weak Bob Mckenzie is calling the #1 frontrunner an elite 2nd line center but not a franchise defining center, go with the best D and look for outliers An elite 2C is still nice, but not first overall worthy. This is where drafting Liljegren and trading Tanev for a more proven center makes too much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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