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16 minutes ago, Pears said:

An elite 2C is still nice, but not first overall worthy. This is where drafting Liljegren and trading Tanev for a more proven center makes too much sense. 

Bide your time and be ready to possibly throw a bunch of cash at RNH or Johansson or someone comparable?

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It all depends on where we pick. Right now, Patrick and Liljegren look excellent, but there are some other forwards in the 3-10 range that some scouts love as well. If Benning also thinks highly of even one of them, then its very unlikely we trade this pick.

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2 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

It all depends on where we pick. Right now, Patrick and Liljegren look excellent, but there are some other forwards in the 3-10 range that some scouts love as well. If Benning also thinks highly of even one of them, then its very unlikely we trade this pick.

We had BETTER NOT trade any friggin first round picks.  That's exactly what the Laughs did to get Kessel.  Huge mistake if we do that as a rebuilding team.  

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3 hours ago, Blue Jay 22 said:

How does trading the pick for someone like Reinhart, RNH, or Landeskog as the OP mentioned build up the prospect pool? 

Reinhart was only drafted two years ago, so who cares if he's playing the NHL now? Would you not draft a McDavid because he'd become an immediate contributor and not 'build up the prospect pool'?

 

If we could trade the pick for a young player of a similar quality to what we could draft who's already in the NHL, we should do it. That of course won't happen though, especially since at this point in the year it's very much up in the air where our pick will land. At the deadline, the value of the pick will be narrowed down a little, but with the lottery changed even then it's not so clear that we could max out value on it. If this were a McDavid/Matthews/etc. kind of draft it could still work, but Patrick and the other top picks aren't valuable enough for a team to gamble considering what it'd cost.

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Like I stated last year, this is the year to draft defencemen, the 2018 draft is expected to be better than the 2017.

Since the Nucks have enough defencemen now, package the pick for what the team needs, scoring top six forwards that are under 32 yrs old.

 

The team is going to have to over pay, take on salary, retain salary.

 

There has just not been any effort put into looking ahead by Benning.

 

This team has made the playoffs once, by a fluke, in the last 4 years, might as well say 4 years already, only 6 more to go, or longer if these guys can't think beyond today.

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The first round picks in the current NHL is the only sure way to build a consistent contender.

 

Basically 70% of the first round picks make the NHL. If your team has good drafting, that means basically every year your team can consistently insert a young fresh leg to your roster for cheap.

 

I thinks trading away 1st round pick is something that no team should do unless they are literally one player away form the cup.

 

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I say if we get a top 2 or 1 pick we take Liljegren, turn him into a Norris trophy defenceman. He's playing in the SHL now, give him next season in the AHL then give him 40-40 in the NHL-AHL in 2018-2019, ready to break out in 2020.

 

Get Juolevi up in the AHL next season then NHL for the next couple of years, have him close to his prime in 2020.

 

Stecher should get full time NHL duties next season if he continues to play well and by 2020 will have a couple of seasons under his belt.

 

Tryamkin and Subban will also have some NHL experience by then.

 

Hutton and Gudbranson will hopefully still be at the tail end of their prime in 2020.

 

With Edler and Tanev as sudden expendables, we can target a top center with those guys and maybe even Subban if he keeps bumping up his trade value. 

 

2020:

 

Juolevi - Gudbranson

Hutton - Liljegren

Sbisa - Stecher

Tryamkin

 

Lot of slick puck movers there, a couple of shutdown guys too, a very similar defence to the Ducks but much higher potential with the two Europeans.

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11 hours ago, Pears said:

Liljegren with our first then a LW/C with our 2nd? I can get behind that. Then trade Tanev for the last part to our future first line?

 

Juolevi - Liljegren

Hutton - Gudbranson

Tryamkin - Stecher

 

Markstrom/Demko

 

That's how you start building a contender. 

 

I was a big Patrick supporter because he is a big right-handed centre, but now with all this Liljegren talk and having Juolevi as half of our future top pair, it would be amazing to have Liljegren be the other half and complete that top pairing. We would essentially have a 1A offensive pair and a 1B shutdown pair. 

 

As per the OP's suggestion of trading our 1st round pick, I wouldn't because of exactly that potential Juolevi-Liljegren pairing, but would trade Tanev+ for a similarly aged or slightly younger first line forward.

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Without any certainty of what position the first round pick will be, it is incredibly difficult to assign it a value.   At this point it looks like a top 5 pick, so it should be fairly high.   

 

I would like to see Benning attempt to speed up our rebuild a bit with offense and chemistry in mind and try and trade our first to Colorado for Tyson Jost and and maybe a 4th? 

 

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As far as the options the OP names - I'd move our 1st for Draisaitl in a heartbeat (I am also not assuming it'll be a 1-4 pick).

 

And it's not about "patching" anything or to 'compete now' - it's about getting a particular asset that would be a fixture for this team for a long time - with the benefit of having seen his development.  Draisaitl and Horvat would give this team quite a one-two punch.

 

RNH - great player but no thanks.  Too far along, too expensive, and his value to Edmonton as a 6 million 3C simply does not call for spending that pick on imo.

 

But why would Edmonton deal a 21 yr old beast like Draisaitl for another pick?  The proposal has to make sense for the dance partner - I don't think it does in the case of Draisaitl.

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