Provost Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 We don't have a lot of trade chips and desperation may soon be setting in for the brass to keep their jobs and ticket sales from plumeting. Top 4 D men are worth their weight in gold. Several teams are in dire need of improving their D. This adds up to us making a move in the near future it seems, and the most valuable pieces and most depth we have is on D. Tanev or Edler (if he would agree to waive) would net a good return. A trade along the lines of: To Winnipeg Edler Virtanen To Vancouver Trouba (his agent says he doesn't see a fit with another Canadian team... but Dec 1st is coming up soon and a top pairing open roster spot may be attractive) To Detroit Tanev To Vancouver Nyquist +? A D for a D in Trouba doesn't sound at first blush like it would improve our scoring, but not only is he a more offensive D but people tend to underestimate the effect that the defence has on the offensive production of the forwards. An upgrade on defence may also kick start our forwards in scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 8 minutes ago, Provost said: An upgrade on defence may also kick start our forwards in scoring. The defence is playing about as well as they can. The team needs more prolific scorers. I'd let Edler go in a New York minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, Jack Fig said: The defence is playing about as well as they can. The team needs more prolific scorers. I'd let Edler go in a New York minute. I should maybe be more specific.... An upgrade on the offensive side of our defence may kick start our forwards. They have been pretty great at keeping the puck out of the net. The difference is that if you have a guy like Subban (who we were after) carrying the puck while breaking out of your zone, the odds of him putting the forwards in a spot for a good offensive play is much greater than if you have Tanev or Edler. Trouba would give some of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 since there both apparently injurered its an opportune time to see how much we actually miss one or both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 the team won't trade either if they are desperate to add offense. Problem is one of them is moved and then the team will be in the hunt for another top four, top pairing defenseman. It is better to build from goal and defense out first. This early season to date is merely showing how much more work the team needs to do to get more offense and to humble those with perhaps higher expectations. End of the day they likely will score as much as last season, always hope for higher numbers but it will even out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Green Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 if only edler would waive to go anywhere, it would be addition by subtraction imo we have a lot of young d who need that icetime to develop right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 16 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: the team won't trade either if they are desperate to add offense. Problem is one of them is moved and then the team will be in the hunt for another top four, top pairing defenseman. It is better to build from goal and defense out first. This early season to date is merely showing how much more work the team needs to do to get more offense and to humble those with perhaps higher expectations. End of the day they likely will score as much as last season, always hope for higher numbers but it will even out. They set a franchise record for fewest goals last season. What you're saying is we're still as bad offensively as we've ever been. That isn't something that evens out. Thats bottoming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Phooey Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Sorry to all the Tanev supporters, but in spite of all the positive analytics for Tanev, IMO, he's not a "cornerstone" player that you can build a team around. Tanev is not durable enough and his game is too one-dimensional. I've always felt that Tanev would make an awesome complementary second pairing d-man (similar to Edler, but for different reasons), but to be a top-pairing d-man is too much to ask of him. So, with that in mind, as proposed by Provost, I'd be 100% behind moving Tanev or Edler to the 'peg for Trouba. I agree with Provost who suggests that Trouba has more to offer on the offensive side of things than Tanev, and as good as Tanev is in making the first play out of the zone, Trouba offers a whole lot more (i.e., better shot, better puck control, better puck distribution on the opposing team's blue line). I guess the question that needs to be answered is, what is Chevy's asking price for Trouba? And can JB step up to the plate with something palatable for Chevy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotJaredMcCann Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Well aparently they're both hurt now, so we can see how the team does without them and then make an educated guess about whether or not it would be wise to move them (yes, I realize we would be getting assets back that would hopefully be better than Sbisa/Stecher/Whoever replaces them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanaholic Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Provost said: We don't have a lot of trade chips and desperation may soon be setting in for the brass to keep their jobs and ticket sales from plumeting. Top 4 D men are worth their weight in gold. Several teams are in dire need of improving their D. This adds up to us making a move in the near future it seems, and the most valuable pieces and most depth we have is on D. Tanev or Edler (if he would agree to waive) would net a good return. A trade along the lines of: To Winnipeg Edler Virtanen To Vancouver Trouba (his agent says he doesn't see a fit with another Canadian team... but Dec 1st is coming up soon and a top pairing open roster spot may be attractive) To Detroit Tanev To Vancouver Nyquist +? A D for a D in Trouba doesn't sound at first blush like it would improve our scoring, but not only is he a more offensive D but people tend to underestimate the effect that the defence has on the offensive production of the forwards. An upgrade on defence may also kick start our forwards in scoring. Problem trying to trade EDLER is they say he won't go with his NO TRADE CLAUSE . . . I wanted them to trade him LONG LONG LONG ago but he would not budge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, Fanaholic said: Problem trying to trade EDLER is they say he won't go with his NO TRADE CLAUSE . . . I wanted them to trade him LONG LONG LONG ago but he would not budge. He has already stated he will waive his no trade clause if he's not wanted. Up to Management and coaches to let him know he's not wanted. We all know the fans are aware its time for him to move on and for what he's done I would try to find contender to send him to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Provost said: I should maybe be more specific.... An upgrade on the offensive side of our defence may kick start our forwards. They have been pretty great at keeping the puck out of the net. The difference is that if you have a guy like Subban (who we were after) carrying the puck while breaking out of your zone, the odds of him putting the forwards in a spot for a good offensive play is much greater than if you have Tanev or Edler. Trouba would give some of that. Or we could actually just try calling up the other Subban!!! I mean honestly, I get that he's not great in his own zone, but neither was Erik Karlsson for the first couple years but look what he could/can do offensively until he rounded his game out? I'm not comparing the two as Subban cieling is nowhere near that high (least I really don't think it is) but I think a Keith Yandle games definitely within Jordans realm of play. Yandle has a brutal career plus minus but look at the offensive success he's had and on the power play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: Or we could actually just try calling up the other Subban!!! I mean honestly, I get that he's not great in his own zone, but neither was Erik Karlsson for the first couple years but look what he could/can do offensively until he rounded his game out? I'm not comparing the two as Subban cieling is nowhere near that high (least I really don't think it is) but I think a Keith Yandle games definitely within Jordans realm of play. Yandle has a brutal career plus minus but look at the offensive success he's had and on the power play Seriously could Subban be any worse defensively than Larsen? If we are going to lose, better we score a couple at least, and Subban has put up very good offensive numbers at every level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie the grim Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Trade Tanev, good defensive player but too soft, every player in the league takes runs at him, because there won't be any push back. As he gets older he will be on IR more than he plays. Now is the time to trade Tanev. Trade Edler, I think is the most over rated player in the league. Get whatever you can for him, just having him gone will make the team better. And the Canucks will save thousands of dollars in not replacing broken sticks. Replace Tanev with Stecher, and replace Edler by moving Tryamkin to the left side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Seriously could Subban be any worse defensively than Larsen? If we are going to lose, better we score a couple at least, and Subban has put up very good offensive numbers at every level. That's exactly how I feel. He can't be any softer but he's definitely got a much higher offensive upside. I never want a player to get injured but would I cry if Larsen ate a can of bad tuna, got sick and missed a game forcing a Subban recall. No. no I would not cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, Archie the grim said: Trade Tanev, good defensive player but too soft, every player in the league takes runs at him, because there won't be any push back. As he gets older he will be on IR more than he plays. Now is the time to trade Tanev. Trade Edler, I think is the most over rated player in the league. Get whatever you can for him, just having him gone will make the team better. And the Canucks will save thousands of dollars in not replacing broken sticks. Replace Tanev with Stecher, and replace Edler by moving Tryamkin to the left side Tryamkin is barely breaking into this league right now on a smaller ice surface then he's use to and now you want to place him on his opposite side??? Good grief man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 12 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: That's exactly how I feel. He can't be any softer but he's definitely got a much higher offensive upside. I never want a player to get injured but would I cry if Larsen ate a can of bad tuna, got sick and missed a game forcing a Subban recall. No. no I would not cry. Maybe to get our offence going we need both .Subban and Stecher out there, on separate pairs - of course. Edler / Stecher Hutton / Gudbranson Sbiss / Subban Tryamkin what do ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 21 minutes ago, Bur14Kes17 said: Tryamkin is barely breaking into this league right now on a smaller ice surface then he's use to and now you want to place him on his opposite side??? Good grief man. Tryamkin is a natural left D, Im pretty sure. but I know he said that he doesn't care what side he plays. Very versatile that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Personally I trade Edler and Tanev if it adds legitimate speed and skill. The Canucks have a considerable number of D prospects in the pipeline and it would give guys like Stecher, Tryamkin and Subban opportunity to play. Their lack of forward speed and skill is glaring and difficult to watch. Can't win games in the NHL if you can't score. I personally would rather watch them play a more exciting skill game and lose 4-3 than lose 1-0 and 2-0 and watch other teams skate circles around them. Shots on goal don't equal scoring chances as we have learned. Just sayin'. Watching the Sedin's is becoming difficult, I feel bad for them and wonder how long they can actually continue to play and feel good about cashing the checks if this is what they have become. They are painfully slow and predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanaholic Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Ojibwa72 said: He has already stated he will waive his no trade clause if he's not wanted. Up to Management and coaches to let him know he's not wanted. We all know the fans are aware its time for him to move on and for what he's done I would try to find contender to send him to. Thanks for sharing. Sometimes I wonder how many of the players really want to be here now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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