Mathew Barzal Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 It sounds so weird to hear that we have depth on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 34 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: It sounds so weird to hear that we have depth on defense. Well I think it is relative to our depth everywhere else in the organization. We have depth in that we have eight guys who are legitimate NHL players... which is rare in this league. We don't have great top end talent though, as our top pairing are complementary players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Edler. Tanev is a RHD, usually more valued. Also, Tanev is few years younger and more consistent. We have Juolevi coming up in a year or two to take Edler's spot anyways. We don't have anyone in the pipeline to replace Tanev. We have Stetcher but he is a PMD and does not bring the qualities that Tanev brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Maybe to get our offence going we need both .Subban and Stecher out there, on separate pairs - of course. Edler / Stecher Hutton / Gudbranson Sbiss / Subban Tryamkin what do ya think? Offensively the line up looks good but defensively a bit too poor? Edler is better than Tanev is almost all aspect except in defensive stability. But we have Juolevi coming up who will bring everything that Edler brings that Tanev doesn't. And I think any team that wants to have success in the playoffs needs the ability to defend one goal lead so I think down the road, Tanev will be more valuable to this team than Edler and compliment Juolevi. I also think Edler has more value and we can get better returns. If we end up trading Edler, our defence will look like this starting next season (assuming Juolevi is ready): Juolevi-Tanev Hutton-Gudbranson Tryamkin-Stetcher Subban And yeah, no to Sbisa. I don't want this player on this team beyond this season. We traded away a fan favourite Kevin Bieksa because we thought he lost a step and wasn't able to make smart decisions and handle the puck under pressure from forechecks... and yet we brought in someone that has all the same problems, but with less fight and bite. Actually, Sbisa is even slower than Bieksa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Edler is pretty much the cornerstone of the Canucks defense. If he's struggling, the team won't be winning many games. If he starts putting up points, being very physical and sound defensively... most likely the Canucks will picking up the win. Tanev may have a stellar game, but the team still might not win. Much like a goalie, you can go everything within your powers to prevent goals, but without any goals, you probably won't be winning. So Alexander Edler is the most valuable piece. For all intent and purposes, he's a very complete defenseman. Smooth skating, got size, can play very physical, very hard slapshot and a great passer.... just there's a mental block somewhere that's chaining him down and preventing him from being a top tier defenseman like during 2009-12. Many teams would probably pay a king's ransom to pry him from Vancouver and to figure out how to unlock his abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Fanaholic said: Problem trying to trade EDLER is they say he won't go with his NO TRADE CLAUSE . . . I wanted them to trade him LONG LONG LONG ago but he would not budge. 2 hours ago, Ojibwa72 said: He has already stated he will waive his no trade clause if he's not wanted. Up to Management and coaches to let him know he's not wanted. We all know the fans are aware its time for him to move on and for what he's done I would try to find contender to send him to. What would we be able to get though for a 30 year old shutdown defenseman? He's on a good contract, no doubt, but I feel like we'll just get a 30 year old forward. I can't imagine teams giving us top prospects and 1st rounders for Edler -- maybe a mid-level prospect and a 1st at most. At least with Tanev he's still relatively young at 26 years old and with his recent exposure at the World Championships he's getting some notoriety around the league as one of if not the best pure shutdown defensemen. He's a stats darling as well, so that'll work in his favor. I'd rather trade Tanev. Maybe Toronto wants him to reunite that Rielly-Tanev pair and we can snag Nylander. Or maybe Arizona wants him because he's a stats darling and we can grab Domi or try and hit a home run and add an extra piece for Strome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 49 minutes ago, Lancaster said: Edler is pretty much the cornerstone of the Canucks defense. If he's struggling, the team won't be winning many games. If he starts putting up points, being very physical and sound defensively... most likely the Canucks will picking up the win. Tanev may have a stellar game, but the team still might not win. Much like a goalie, you can go everything within your powers to prevent goals, but without any goals, you probably won't be winning. So Alexander Edler is the most valuable piece. For all intent and purposes, he's a very complete defenseman. Smooth skating, got size, can play very physical, very hard slapshot and a great passer.... just there's a mental block somewhere that's chaining him down and preventing him from being a top tier defenseman like during 2009-12. Many teams would probably pay a king's ransom to pry him from Vancouver and to figure out how to unlock his abilities. The "unlock his abilities" train has left the station. Physically, he is not 100% and never will be. In fact, his back problems will increasingly be an issue. He peaked about 4 years ago and has been in decline since. He has been good with Tanev because Chris is quick enough and positionaly sound enough to cover for Edler's plodding. He is really not very mobile and gets walked regularly. Still serviceable, but a 3/4 guy on most decent teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Edler might put up more points. But he's far more inconsistent as a D-man. And right now he's not putting up points. I say move him if we can get something decent for him. Stay at home, right handed D-men are what we need to help keep the puck out of our net. Edler for Jenner in Columbus? Nah, he'd never waive to play for Torts. Edler for McCarron and a 2nd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Blömqvist said: What would we be able to get though for a 30 year old shutdown defenseman? He's on a good contract, no doubt, but I feel like we'll just get a 30 year old forward. I can't imagine teams giving us top prospects and 1st rounders for Edler -- maybe a mid-level prospect and a 1st at most. At least with Tanev he's still relatively young at 26 years old and with his recent exposure at the World Championships he's getting some notoriety around the league as one of if not the best pure shutdown defensemen. He's a stats darling as well, so that'll work in his favor. I'd rather trade Tanev. Maybe Toronto wants him to reunite that Rielly-Tanev pair and we can snag Nylander. Or maybe Arizona wants him because he's a stats darling and we can grab Domi or try and hit a home run and add an extra piece for Strome. Tanev gets you more... but do not underestimate the value of a top 4 defenceman in this league. Not many teams have enough of them. Edler is probably better regarded than Adam Larsson was, albeit quite a bit older and Edmonton got robbed in that deal.... but that was for one of the top 5 LW in the game for an average D. There are teams who are winning now and aren't too worried about his birthdate because they want help in the next couple of seasons. He would also be that much better if he was slotted into a 2nd pairing rather than carrying the full weight of a team like he is now. You get a 1st rounder or a real blue chip prospect/young player for Edler... no question about it. Heck, Montreal is in the market for a left D to play alongside Weber as they have real aspirations now while Price is in his prime. Edler would absolutey fit the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Make no mistake, Edler should get you more (late 1st with average roster player and lower prospect compared to probably 2nd and decent young player for Tanev), but I think he leaves the bigger hole to fill, both as the most well-rounded D-man on the team and as the anchor on the left side D which would otherwise have Hutton, Sbisa or Tryamkin playing 1st pairing minutes every night. Contrast with the right side, at least Larsen and Stecher have both shown that they can move up the lineup and move the puck decently, while Gudbranson is a solid big-minute D-man. Don't forget, Biega is still available too. I think if there's a taker definitely consider moving Tanev before Eddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeekz37 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Either one is going to open an opportunity for a young dman to jump in. I would want at least a top young forward that can consistently put up points. If NJ can get Hall for Larson, why can't we get someone close to (or of) that caliber? I have said before that a trade of a D for a F is going to bounce a F. Who will that forward be? Who would you package, other than Virtanen (don't give up on the kid just yet), with Edler/Tanev to land us a future (if not already) top 6 goal scorer or game breaker? Would it be Hansen because of his "lucrative" contract to sweeten the deal? Or a middle/bottom 6 combination like Gaunce and fill in the blank? Either way, something needs to happen with this team in order to get back in the W column. Coaching change, shake up trade, whatever. It will be interesting to see what plays out over the next week or two, if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 10 hours ago, Alflives said: Seriously could Subban be any worse defensively than Larsen? If we are going to lose, better we score a couple at least, and Subban has put up very good offensive numbers at every level. U serious? we are defensively good, just can't score. i agree that I'm willing to try Subban up here for offensive reasons but he'd be a lot worse than Larsen who has been very decent in the defensive zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie the grim Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 19 hours ago, Bur14Kes17 said: Tryamkin is barely breaking into this league right now on a smaller ice surface then he's use to and now you want to place him on his opposite side??? Good grief man. Tryamkin is a left hand shot, shouldn't be much of a problem playing the left side. Might even be easier for him. Good grief man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMan10 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Trade deadline if we are going to miss playoffs: Tanev or Edler to Washington Vrana or Bowey in return + cap dump of 2 million to make cap space work. They will have 2.5 million in pro rated space at that time. One more solid piece on D will set them up for a deep run. They don't have that stud #1 D, so another #2/3 will put them in a position to do it by commitee with Niskanen, Carlsson, Orlov, Orpik, Alzner + Tanev/Edler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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