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Full-on rebuild long overdue for Canucks team without a future

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Hey guys this is sportsnets latest article.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/full-rebuild-long-overdue-canucks-team-without-future/

 

And for the lazy ones LOL

 

Vancouver Canucks head coach Willie Desjardins has almost everyone he needs on his side these days. But it’s a big almost, because there are roughly 3,003 folks back in Vancouver who will have the final say on how long he remains behind the Canucks bench.

Let’s start with Desjardins’ allies.

His players are still going to the proverbial wall for him, willing to dive headlong into the kind of game played at the Air Canada Centre Saturday night and not back off by a single step. That is the true measure of a coach in need of replacement, and the Canucks roster shows zero signs that it requires new leadership — despite the eight-game losing streak the Canucks lug into a back-to-back road series versus the New York Islanders tonight, and the league-leading Rangers on Tuesday.

Desjardins’ team President, fellow Medicine Hat alum Trevor Linden, hand picked Desjardins as his coach under the endorsement of beleaguered General Manager Jim Benning. Neither of those two wants to pin the failings of the Canucks front office on Desjardins, who can only coach the players given to him by the men above. 

Alas, it is the 3,003 people back home who will ultimately decide Desjardins’ fate. Who are they?

Three of those folks are the Canucks owners, the Bros. Aquilini: Francesco, Roberto and Paolo. The other 3,000 represent empty seats at Rogers Arena.

If the 3,000 stop buying tickets at Rogers Arena, then the three — we highly suspect — won’t ask Linden if he wishes to find a new coach. They will tell him, motivated by the bottom line.

That would be the most difficult day in the professional life of Linden, who signed on as a Canucks legend to spread the Orcan gospel among the Tinfoil Hats on the West Coast. Much like Kevin Lowe in Edmonton, however, Linden’s reputation has suffered more slings and arrows in his short time wearing the suit and tie than he ever did in 1,000 games as a Canucks player.

Vancouver, they say, is a unique market. A place where folks have so many other things to do than buck up for a non-contending hockey team. They ski, they hike, they run the seawall at Stanley Park.

Personally? I think it’s a load of crap

You don’t think there are choices for your entertainment dollar in every other city? Do you hike at night, when the Canucks play? Do they charge admission on the seawall, so as to impact your entertainment dollar? Are the Canucks the only team with 82 games per season on TV?

The Vancouver fan base I have come to know over these many years is every bit as passionate as any across the country — and in some ways more so, rallying around their geographic displacement from the “Centre of the Universe” in Toronto, or the NHL’s traditional hockey headquarters in New York, Toronto and Montreal.

But give them this Canucks lineup, and tell them their Canucks are a playoff team, and they won’t be fooled. They’re not dumb. They can see that the Sedins, at age 36, are still their best forwards, 17 years after they were drafted.

Remember all those voices that used to say, “You can’t rebuild in Toronto. That fan base will never stand for it.” It was a foolish statement then and that is being proven today, as a hockey savvy fan base is all-in with Shanaplan, the stockpiling of draft picks and all the losing that has gone on in Toronto over the past two seasons.

The Canucks not only have a very pedestrian present, their future is unconvincing as well. Utica is not chock-full of prospects — in fact, it is quite the opposite — and Benning’s draft record in Vancouver is less than fabulous.

Monday night's lineup, without injured regulars Chris Tanev and Jannik Hansen, exposes a systemic lack of depth, with names like Jack Skille, Jayson Megna and Michael Chaput among the replacement pool. Those are not the kinds of prospects you can sell seats around, and nor is the Canucks’ overall game sexy enough to intrigue fans to watch a non-playoff team — the way it has been in Toronto or even Edmonton.

Vancouver’s chronic lack of scoring — they are dead-last in the NHL with an average of 1.58 goals pre game and ranked 29th averaging 26.9 shots on goal per night — means two things: Fans are not entertained by the red light going on, nor do they leave the rink at worst satisfied with a 2-1 victory often enough.

Their defensive game is decent, but that wears down quickly if a team can’t execute a game plan that both defends and scores enough to win.

It’s time to rebuild in Vancouver. Because whatever is going on there now, it’s going to cost people their jobs.

 

Summary: 

- canucks best players are two 36 year olds

-best forward prospect in the system is boeser No one else

- canucks lack depth in utica and the big club

- after sedins we'll have the same team just without our leading point getters

 

My opinion:

I think we should rebuild because depending on who we get rid of the rebuild could be very quick.

We just need to stockpile as many young players and picks as possible

-team isn't interesting as is anymore, getting younger although we'd lose at the same rate, we would be more enjoyable because u get to see young players develops

- I think there's a way we can get younger and keep the sedins for mentorship

Either way I love the team and I'll live with whatever decision they make. 

 

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I needed a friggin nap after that read.  I agree we need to tear the house back to the foundation, and start again.  oh!  WE DoN"t have any foundation to  build around.  okay we dig a new hole too, to pour a new foundation.  That hole is fast getting dug.  we lost 8 in a row.  the hole is being dug nicely.

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Just because they haven't said its a rebuild, doesn't mean they aren't rebuilding. I get what they are trying to do, maybe win some games while getting rid of the older vets and bringing in younger guys, and its not an over night process, its going to take time.

 

I'd say they've done a decent job so far with the goaltending and D. They've lost 8 in a row and will be a bottom dweller this year and I'm sure will get another decent pick.  

 

Any team that's not a contender is in a "rebuild" of sorts in my mind, so having said that, what else should they be doing better to "rebuild"? I'm asking because I dont know what else they should be, or could be doing better, I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, just really dont understand what everyone is talking about with a "Proper Rebuild". 

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5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We are digging a new foundation, but are we using a back hoe, or a shovel/

 

TNT I think soon.

 

But before that I'd like to see old Willie take a trip. They don't have to fire him... maybe just head scout for South East Saskatchewan.

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Just now, 6YPE said:

Just because they haven't said its a rebuild, doesn't mean they aren't rebuilding. I get what they are trying to do, maybe win some games while getting rid of the older vets and bringing in younger guys, and its not an over night process, its going to take time.

 

I'd say they've done a decent job so far with the goaltending and D. They've lost 8 in a row and will be a bottom dweller this year and I'm sure will get another decent pick.  

 

Any team that's not a contender is in a "rebuild" of sorts in my mind, so having said that, what else should they be doing better to "rebuild"? I'm asking because I dont know what else they should be, or could be doing better, I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, just really dont understand what everyone is talking about with a "Proper Rebuild". 

First a proper rebuild does not include signing a 31 year old guy to a 6 year 6 million dollar contract

Second a proper rebuild includes acquiring draft picks, not trading them away.

Third a proper rebuild includes trading away experienced player on expiring contracts at the TDL.

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I'm sick of seeing this.

Bennings plan is to build from the net out. So far we have a solid future in goaltending and our defensive core looks almost perfect.

 

The next two drafts will have a complete focus on scoring talent. We'll have a full cupboard by next year IMO.

 

Does no one else agree? Goaltenders take the longest to develop. Defenseman take the second longest. Quality top 6 forwards are usually showing what they've got at 21/22.

 

Everyone relax. If this season is a complete failure, at least the kids learned to play competitively and persevered through injuries, non calls, and coaching decisions by learning from the Sedins. Similar to how they learned from Naslund, no?

We'll also be able to draft top quality forwards.

 

Does everyone really want a complete blow up where ice time is given no matter what the kid does? A full on Edmonton rebuild? Should we just end the Sedins legacy because impatient fans can't wait another 2-3 years? 

 

Rant over.

 

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10 minutes ago, thejazz97 said:

But don't you see, we are rebuilding! 

 

Plus we shouldn't do it like Toronto, they wallowed around for years in mediocrity!

 

Don't forget all the injuries we've had as well.

 

Totally, dude. Jim Benning is bad at drafting?!!! Jake Virtanen and Demko Say Hi!!

 

Toronto guys bragging about a rebuild that took like 3 years. Our rebuild took 3 years + we won at the same time. 

 

There is so much to do in Vancouver. Of course a Rebuild is going to work in Snowmonton there is nothing else to do!!!! It's like "do I watch a rebuilding team lose?! Or go Hiking in the wilderness at night in the rain?! I'm going hiking every time!!!

 

patience guys, A Gm can't improve a team in 3 offseasons even though the leafs did by the draft being fixed.  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

First a proper rebuild does not include signing a 31 year old guy to a 6 year 6 million dollar contract

Second a proper rebuild includes acquiring draft picks, not trading them away.

Third a proper rebuild includes trading away experienced player on expiring contracts at the TDL.

 

Its does, if you're thinking the team needs at least 3 years to be a contender. By that time Loui can be traded or bought out.

 

The draft picks for Guddy and Baer are fine - we at least got NHL calibre guys for them and the chances of 2nd rounders making careers is pretty low.

 

3rd point - yes, assuming there's a buyer. Vrbata scuttled his deal, and so did Hammer. I know people like to say, "yes but a good GM woulda got it done..." but the fact is there wasn't a deal to be done with either.

 

I know Utica is full of grinders, but our college and minor league guys look pretty damn good, we just need to wait a few years.

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