Noble 6 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 The Canucks have multiple key players needing new contracts at the end of the season. We also have 19,805,833 in cap space for this summer according to CapFriendly.com. With that being said, which of our current RFA/UFA's would you resign and for what price? Obviously it's still very early into the season and the value of these players could go up or down, but as of right now what do you think these guys would get? Maybe we can revisit this thread later and re-assess values throughout the season. My opinion: Gudbranson: 5 years, 4.45 million per Horvat: 3 years, 3.5 million per Hutton: 4 years, 3.5 million per Tryamkin: 2 years, 1.5 million per Gaunce: 3 years, 1.25 million per Rodin: 1 year, 950,000 (Unfortunate that he hasn't played any games; this is just his current contract, we can see if he earns more or less when he returns). Larsen: No contract Skille: No contract Miller: No contract Burrows: No contract Money spent: 15,150,000 Cap space: 4,655,833 What do you guys think our guys should get next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Guddy will get 5 and tryamkin maybe in the 2's if he keeps his play up like it is now. Other then that pretty close. Wont be surprised if we sign Miller for another year as an all star backup for Markstrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numb3r 16 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I think guddy and Bo will get more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircool Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 18 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: The Canucks have multiple key players needing new contracts at the end of the season. We also have 19,805,833 in cap space for this summer according to CapFriendly.com. With that being said, which of our current RFA/UFA's would you resign and for what price? Obviously it's still very early into the season and the value of these players could go up or down, but as of right now what do you think these guys would get? Maybe we can revisit this thread later and re-assess values throughout the season. My opinion: Gudbranson: 5 years, 4.45 million per Horvat: 3 years, 3.5 million per Hutton: 4 years, 3.5 million per Tryamkin: 2 years, 1.5 million per Gaunce: 3 years, 1.25 million per Rodin: 1 year, 950,000 (Unfortunate that he hasn't played any games; this is just his current contract, we can see if he earns more or less when he returns). Larsen: No contract Skille: No contract Miller: No contract Burrows: No contract Money spent: 15,150,000 Cap space: 4,655,833 What do you guys think our guys should get next year? I don't understand, how can we have such a poor team, and yet only end up with 5 million in cap space after resigning our players. That's scary. These contracts are pretty bad though, or just unrealistic. Gudbranson will ask for more, he is on a 1 year 3.5 million deal now, he's not going to take less than 1 million more on a long term deal. Horvat for 3 years? What's our goal here? To let him leave as soon as possible in FA? 2 Year or 6-8 year deal. Same thing with Hutton... 4 years? Are you insane? Tryamkin won't sign for 1.5 million on a 2 year deal. It'll have to start with a 2, if it's for 2 years. Why would anyone take a 3 x 1.25m deal.... Show me the precedent, that is incredibly team friendly. I don't understand what your objective is with these weird terms... You want to sign them short-to-shortishmedium term on cheapish deals then pay them market value on a long term deal? The whole point of signing them to 7-8 year deals now is to keep their cap hits down, so we can keep them. Not to mention, you get them through their entire prime at that reasonable cap hit... Half of these guys you are keeping until their FA year, or 1 year before it. At which point you have no leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 19 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: The Canucks have multiple key players needing new contracts at the end of the season. We also have 19,805,833 in cap space for this summer according to CapFriendly.com. With that being said, which of our current RFA/UFA's would you resign and for what price? Obviously it's still very early into the season and the value of these players could go up or down, but as of right now what do you think these guys would get? Maybe we can revisit this thread later and re-assess values throughout the season. My opinion: Gudbranson: 5 years, 4.45 million per Horvat: 3 years, 3.5 million per Hutton: 4 years, 3.5 million per Tryamkin: 2 years, 1.5 million per Gaunce: 3 years, 1.25 million per Rodin: 1 year, 950,000 (Unfortunate that he hasn't played any games; this is just his current contract, we can see if he earns more or less when he returns). Larsen: No contract Skille: No contract Miller: No contract Burrows: No contract Money spent: 15,150,000 Cap space: 4,655,833 What do you guys think our guys should get next year? With the caveat that it's still early in the season and there still is time to change my opinion, I only differ on a couple of your choices. By the end of this year, hopefully Markstrom will have done enough to be a 50 game starting goalie next year. If Miller wants to come back as a 30 game back up, I wouldn't say no. If I had to make a decision today, I wouldn't have Larsen back but there he still has time to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 guddy 5 mill per for 6 yrs bo 5 millper 5yrs hutton 3 for 3 tryamkin 2.5 for 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 On 11/7/2016 at 8:17 PM, RetroCanuck said: Guddy will get 5 and tryamkin maybe in the 2's if he keeps his play up like it is now. Other then that pretty close. Wont be surprised if we sign Miller for another year as an all star backup for Markstrom. Agree, except on Miller. There's a great chance to hold on to some cap by making Markstron #1 and bringing in a true #2 like Montoya or Greiss, at a better cap hit. I don't think Demko will be ready next season and would be wasted in a back up role. Markstrom, in my opinion is ready to to take on the big work load of a #1. Miller still believes he's a #1, won't want to look at a #2 job and will want more money. I'm not, completely sold on Hutton. He's still got a lot of maturing to do, has yet to find offense this year and his defensive woes seem to be continuing. Throw 2 x 2 mil. at him. We still have the right to match any deal. I wouldn't be hurt if they looked at moving him either for a forward prospect or draft pick. Haven't seen enough of Groot to get a good read on where he's going to be, come year end. 2.5 could end up being an over payment or it may not be enough. Guddy will get 5. Another player JB should look at moving is Edler. His play here has grown stale and may not be suited for the direction JB is going. We could still get a descent return for him or a package involving him and, maybe, Granlund or Baertschi, neither of whom, has impressed me. Baertschi was ok last season but since the new defensive scheme has been implemented, is now invisible. Same goes for Granlund. I feel at times both have actually dragged their lines down. Both have had glorious scoring chances but have not found the back of the net. I feel there are better, affordable options for Horvat and Sutter. For 2017/2018: Eriksson Sutter Hansen ? Horvat Boeser Sedin Sedin Virtanen ? Gaunce Dorsett Tryamkin Stetcher Hutton Gudbranson Sbisa Tanev Markstrom ? or Eriksson Horvat Boeser ? Sutter Hansen Sedin Sedin Virtanen ? Gaunce ? Fill in the blanks, but I see this as a much more logical roster with more of the future in mind than the past. The Sedins take on Virtanen's development without being pressured to produce big points and can concentrate on a reduced role as support. As the AHL does not seem to be in Jake's future, I'd like to see him with the most polished vets we have. With either example on the first line, Eriksson will excel. As of right now, Sutter is our best center but by then Horvat could prove ready to take on first line minutes. Either way Hansen stays with Sutter. I'd like to keep him with the Sedins but I feel he's still got more in him than a third line winger. Gaunce needs a winger that will show high energy and a "never quit" attitude. Dorsett may not be a big point getter but he possesses both qualities Gaunce needs to see night in and night out. The sandpaper in his game doesn't hurt either. If he can instill these skills in Gaunce's game, he will be primed to become a third line center moving forward. The defense allows the kids to take center stage while having enough veteran leadership to back them up. Obviously none of this happens, but I would like to see changes made and a more aggressive effort to start releasing the past and embracing the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickels Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 4 hours ago, komodo0921 said: Agree, except on Miller. There's a great chance to hold on to some cap by making Markstron #1 and bringing in a true #2 like Montoya or Greiss, at a better cap hit. I don't think Demko will be ready next season and would be wasted in a back up role. Markstrom, in my opinion is ready to to take on the big work load of a #1. Miller still believes he's a #1, won't want to look at a #2 job and will want more money. I'm not, completely sold on Hutton. He's still got a lot of maturing to do, has yet to find offense this year and his defensive woes seem to be continuing. Throw 2 x 2 mil. at him. We still have the right to match any deal. I wouldn't be hurt if they looked at moving him either for a forward prospect or draft pick. Haven't seen enough of Groot to get a good read on where he's going to be, come year end. 2.5 could end up being an over payment or it may not be enough. Guddy will get 5. Another player JB should look at moving is Edler. His play here has grown stale and may not be suited for the direction JB is going. We could still get a descent return for him or a package involving him and, maybe, Granlund or Baertschi, neither of whom, has impressed me. Baertschi was ok last season but since the new defensive scheme has been implemented, is now invisible. Same goes for Granlund. I feel at times both have actually dragged their lines down. Both have had glorious scoring chances but have not found the back of the net. I feel there are better, affordable options for Horvat and Sutter. For 2017/2018: Eriksson Sutter Hansen ? Horvat Boeser Sedin Sedin Virtanen ? Gaunce Dorsett Tryamkin Stetcher Hutton Gudbranson Sbisa Tanev Markstrom ? or Eriksson Horvat Boeser ? Sutter Hansen Sedin Sedin Virtanen ? Gaunce ? Fill in the blanks, but I see this as a much more logical roster with more of the future in mind than the past. The Sedins take on Virtanen's development without being pressured to produce big points and can concentrate on a reduced role as support. As the AHL does not seem to be in Jake's future, I'd like to see him with the most polished vets we have. With either example on the first line, Eriksson will excel. As of right now, Sutter is our best center but by then Horvat could prove ready to take on first line minutes. Either way Hansen stays with Sutter. I'd like to keep him with the Sedins but I feel he's still got more in him than a third line winger. Gaunce needs a winger that will show high energy and a "never quit" attitude. Dorsett may not be a big point getter but he possesses both qualities Gaunce needs to see night in and night out. The sandpaper in his game doesn't hurt either. If he can instill these skills in Gaunce's game, he will be primed to become a third line center moving forward. The defense allows the kids to take center stage while having enough veteran leadership to back them up. Obviously none of this happens, but I would like to see changes made and a more aggressive effort to start releasing the past and embracing the future. There is not a player in organized hockey less suited to play w/the Sedins than Jake Virtanen. As lost as Jake usually looks...his couple of shifts w/the Sedins last year were hard to watch. Two of the more cerebral players in the league trying to set up the cycle w/Jake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 2 hours ago, nickels said: There is not a player in organized hockey less suited to play w/the Sedins than Jake Virtanen. As lost as Jake usually looks...his couple of shifts w/the Sedins last year were hard to watch. Two of the more cerebral players in the league trying to set up the cycle w/Jake. I beg to differ. His speed and work along the boards would seem to be Taylor made for the Sedins. He can get in fast and get posession so the Sedins can set up. Add to this, his physical play and willingness to protect teamates and you've got a great combination, if a real chance is given to the idea. The real issue is throwing a kid into a situation that was way over his head. He is not ready. Putting him with the Sedins on a third line takes the pressure off of him and allows him to be mentored by a pair of future hall of famers. No one thought Burrows was going to amount to anything, let alone become the glue the Sedins needed to get to the next level. Although the Sedins are past their prime, they still have a lot to offer to these kids, Jake being one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeridebc Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 On 11/7/2016 at 7:13 PM, Horvat is a Boss said: The Canucks have multiple key players needing new contracts at the end of the season. We also have 19,805,833 in cap space for this summer according to CapFriendly.com. With that being said, which of our current RFA/UFA's would you resign and for what price? Obviously it's still very early into the season and the value of these players could go up or down, but as of right now what do you think these guys would get? Maybe we can revisit this thread later and re-assess values throughout the season. My opinion: Gudbranson: 5 years, 4.45 million per Horvat: 3 years, 3.5 million per Hutton: 4 years, 3.5 million per Tryamkin: 2 years, 1.5 million per Gaunce: 3 years, 1.25 million per Rodin: 1 year, 950,000 (Unfortunate that he hasn't played any games; this is just his current contract, we can see if he earns more or less when he returns). Larsen: No contract Skille: No contract Miller: No contract Burrows: No contract Money spent: 15,150,000 Cap space: 4,655,833 What do you guys think our guys should get next year? Gudbranson close I'd say. Probably higher... that was the rumor in Florida wasn't it? More 5.5x5 range I'd say. Horvat is clearly their face of the franchise. He'll be locked in long term if they can. Hutton is good, but he hasn't earned 3.5 imo. 3x 2.5. That'll give him time to grow and see where he's going to cap out at. Tryamkin, more. 2x 2.25. Perhaps with bonus'. Gaunce, 2 years at 1.25. However being argue'd for Bo, his numbers are similar to Rakell. So maybe they base that for their starting point. 3.8-4m area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 well the cap might go up and we might have more in cap space but you are right a few more mill go out but if we do not resign Burr,Miller and let Larsen and Skille go then we should have enough to get another player top 6 and Boeser will come up,year after Olli as he should get least a year in the AHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ryan Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 On 11/7/2016 at 9:13 PM, Horvat is a Boss said: The Canucks have multiple key players needing new contracts at the end of the season. We also have 19,805,833 in cap space for this summer according to CapFriendly.com. With that being said, which of our current RFA/UFA's would you resign and for what price? Obviously it's still very early into the season and the value of these players could go up or down, but as of right now what do you think these guys would get? Maybe we can revisit this thread later and re-assess values throughout the season. My opinion: Gudbranson: 5 years, 4.45 million per Horvat: 3 years, 3.5 million per Hutton: 4 years, 3.5 million per Tryamkin: 2 years, 1.5 million per Gaunce: 3 years, 1.25 million per Rodin: 1 year, 950,000 (Unfortunate that he hasn't played any games; this is just his current contract, we can see if he earns more or less when he returns). Larsen: No contract Skille: No contract Miller: No contract Burrows: No contract Money spent: 15,150,000 Cap space: 4,655,833 What do you guys think our guys should get next year? I agree on the non-offers, all 4 of them. Rodin...too early to gauge. Gaunce: 2 years, not 3; 1.25mil is about right. Tryamkin: right now 2 years is ok, but if he continues to develop well, then I'd go 3 yrs @ 2-2.5M each Hutton: his contract would be right in line with Tryamkin...unless he develops his D-zone play better. Guddy: I doubt he would sign for anything less than 5M per. So...4yrs; 2yr x 5, 2yr x 5.5 Horvat: I'm willing to go pretty much all in with him. I see the sense in a lesser contract, but...6yrs; 2 x 3M, 2 x 4M, 2 x 4.5. That comes out to 13.25 next 2 years. At that point, the twins will be done not only with their current contract, but also 1 more yr. I don't see them being able to play effectively much beyond the 2018-19 season. That frees up another 14M. If after those two years, Tree, Hutton and Horvat should be pretty much where their potential ceiling is; we may need more to extend these guys, and also get ready for new contracts for Baer, Stetch, Markstrom, Virt and Sutter, along with a good idea about contracts for Boeser and Juolevi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Jane Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 On 11/7/2016 at 9:36 PM, Aircool said: I don't understand, how can we have such a poor team, and yet only end up with 5 million in cap space after resigning our players. That's scary. These contracts are pretty bad though, or just unrealistic. Gudbranson will ask for more, he is on a 1 year 3.5 million deal now, he's not going to take less than 1 million more on a long term deal. Horvat for 3 years? What's our goal here? To let him leave as soon as possible in FA? 2 Year or 6-8 year deal. Same thing with Hutton... 4 years? Are you insane? Tryamkin won't sign for 1.5 million on a 2 year deal. It'll have to start with a 2, if it's for 2 years. Why would anyone take a 3 x 1.25m deal.... Show me the precedent, that is incredibly team friendly. I don't understand what your objective is with these weird terms... You want to sign them short-to-shortishmedium term on cheapish deals then pay them market value on a long term deal? The whole point of signing them to 7-8 year deals now is to keep their cap hits down, so we can keep them. Not to mention, you get them through their entire prime at that reasonable cap hit... Half of these guys you are keeping until their FA year, or 1 year before it. At which point you have no leverage. We will only have around 5 million left because of the $&!#ty contracts Eriksson 6 million Sbisa 3.6 mill Dorsett 2.65 mill plus buyouts. agree though. i would only sign Horvat for 2 years and same with Hutton. keep them in the RFA Range. see what they can do for next year or 2 and then see if we want to commit to long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 I went for the longer term for Hutton, but I can't complain with a good bridge deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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