danjr Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 After watching the last two games I noticed a bit of a flaw in our goaltending. I am not saying that we are doing bad. Our goaltender stats are pretty terrific for our record. This big glaring hole is outmanned over challenging of the shooter. Everything else is stellar with positioning. Low zone is perfect with holding posts and good pushes across. With great glove positions and quick recovery to set positions. Tracking the puck is just awesome. They are seeing the puck through and around crowds and picking it up perfectly. Absorbing the shots has been pretty good. Has anyone heard any clear details on what he has changed. From what I see it is being aggressive on the shooter and not deep in the crease and this has really exposed the open nets. Both NY teams should have and could have had many more goals if it wasn't for poor puck luck. Now I want to go back and look through all the highlights and see if this is really the case. I've seen Miller do a lot more forward lunges this year than all of last year, Kind of like Luongo a bunch of years ago. Total desperation move, instead of solid positional save and recovery methods. Mind you some of this could be from them wanting to do to much for the team while we are/were struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 You'll only see Cloutier's influence if we make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 That's why Miller jumped in to save Stetcher! Old hot head Dan's influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollarAndADream Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I doubt they'd reveal any clear details on the goaltending changes, otherwise that would just give away the game plan and let teams know how to score on our goalies. It's true though, I've seen both Miller and Markstrom lunge forward on occasion. There was the one goal that Markstrom did it and missed against Hoffman in the 1-0 Sens loss. I know there have been others as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 hour ago, danjr said: After watching the last two games I noticed a bit of a flaw in our goaltending. I am not saying that we are doing bad. Our goaltender stats are pretty terrific for our record. This big glaring hole is outmanned over challenging of the shooter. Everything else is stellar with positioning. Low zone is perfect with holding posts and good pushes across. With great glove positions and quick recovery to set positions. Tracking the puck is just awesome. They are seeing the puck through and around crowds and picking it up perfectly. Absorbing the shots has been pretty good. Has anyone heard any clear details on what he has changed. From what I see it is being aggressive on the shooter and not deep in the crease and this has really exposed the open nets. Both NY teams should have and could have had many more goals if it wasn't for poor puck luck. Now I want to go back and look through all the highlights and see if this is really the case. I've seen Miller do a lot more forward lunges this year than all of last year, Kind of like Luongo a bunch of years ago. Total desperation move, instead of solid positional save and recovery methods. Mind you some of this could be from them wanting to do to much for the team while we are/were struggling. Miller had some difficulty when he arrived because of the "stay in the paint" mantra here. He started last combining our stay in the paint and his previous coming out to cut angles depending on the situation. He talked about that in an interview last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 40 minutes ago, DollarAndADream said: I doubt they'd reveal any clear details on the goaltending changes, otherwise that would just give away the game plan and let teams know how to score on our goalies. It's true though, I've seen both Miller and Markstrom lunge forward on occasion. There was the one goal that Markstrom did it and missed against Hoffman in the 1-0 Sens loss. I know there have been others as well. IMO Markstrom against Hoffman had nothing to do with technique. Markstrom just went after a loose puck after a turnover trying to clear it out of the zone. Was more of a reactive, spur of the moment, kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 5 hours ago, danjr said: After watching the last two games I noticed a bit of a flaw in our goaltending. I am not saying that we are doing bad. Our goaltender stats are pretty terrific for our record. This big glaring hole is outmanned over challenging of the shooter. Everything else is stellar with positioning. Low zone is perfect with holding posts and good pushes across. With great glove positions and quick recovery to set positions. Tracking the puck is just awesome. They are seeing the puck through and around crowds and picking it up perfectly. Absorbing the shots has been pretty good. Has anyone heard any clear details on what he has changed. From what I see it is being aggressive on the shooter and not deep in the crease and this has really exposed the open nets. Both NY teams should have and could have had many more goals if it wasn't for poor puck luck. Now I want to go back and look through all the highlights and see if this is really the case. I've seen Miller do a lot more forward lunges this year than all of last year, Kind of like Luongo a bunch of years ago. Total desperation move, instead of solid positional save and recovery methods. Mind you some of this could be from them wanting to do to much for the team while we are/were struggling. Jonathan Quick comes out to the bottom of the circles at times and he was arguably the best goalie in the league a few years back. Not only that but after the league reduces the size of the gear sitting back in your net will be less effective. Has anyone seen Carey Prices equipment? There is just no way it should be legal. His equipment covers 3/4 of the net alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NexusRift Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 8 hours ago, Kevin Biestra said: You'll only see Cloutier's influence if we make the playoffs. Clouts was a stellar goalie. Especially in a 'Nucks uni. The famous, or infamous, if you will, letting in a weak one in those playoffs was an anomolie. It's been a decade and a half since that. Get over it! Anywho............... Goaltending was never an issue with us. The vast knowledge from all Goalie coaches i'm sure, stick with the players throughout their careers. Clouts wealth of knowledge in such can only make for better performances from our already stellar tandem. In all SC bound 'Nuck teams, the goaltending, IMHO, was never an issue. Though none were original 'Nuck drafts and all were acquired via trade, we rock in this position, new goaltending coach or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC420 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Cloutier was a good goalie. He had the smarts and the talent, unfortunately he didnt have the confidence. Cloutier struggled with the mental toughness that prevented him from reaching his potential, but lots of good coaches and trainers were never the most successful players themselves. Since coming in he has turned Markstrom's game around big time. When we acquired Marky he was a developmentally rushed goalie lacking in confidence and playing an overly cautious game. I remember his first starts shortly after getting him, he was playing real deep in his crease. I remember because John Garret kept bringing it up every time he played. However after playing full time in Utica and working with Dan, Markstrom turned his game around. Cloutier taught him to be confident in his size, attack the shooter and give them little to shoot at. They have been patient with Markstrom working on his positioning and its showing. There is no perfect style of goaltending, Dominink Hasek had a crazy style but it worked for him. I think Cloutier has done a good job teach Jacob to utilize his natural gifts and I also think Dan's style of goaltender coaching more aligns with Miller's style backduring his time in Buffalo. It has its flaws but our goaltending hasnt looked this good since Luongo/Schneider. Whatever Dan is doing I hope he keeps it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjr Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yes exactly. The lack of flaws in their overall games is great right now. That was the only real flaw that I have seen to this point. Markstroms overall goals against average is pretty damn good considering the losses we piled on. Gosh forbid if we ever get some leads and take the pressure off the defensive side of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 9 hours ago, NexusRift said: Clouts was a stellar goalie. Especially in a 'Nucks uni. The famous, or infamous, if you will, letting in a weak one in those playoffs was an anomolie. It's been a decade and a half since that. Get over it! Anywho............... Goaltending was never an issue with us. The vast knowledge from all Goalie coaches i'm sure, stick with the players throughout their careers. Clouts wealth of knowledge in such can only make for better performances from our already stellar tandem. In all SC bound 'Nuck teams, the goaltending, IMHO, was never an issue. Though none were original 'Nuck drafts and all were acquired via trade, we rock in this position, new goaltending coach or not. Cloutier seems like a great guy, and he was quite a good regular season goalie. But his playing poorly in the playoffs wasn't a one-time anomaly, or a one-shot or one-game thing. It was a regular pattern. There's really no way to deny that other than simply ignoring what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 17 hours ago, Baggins said: Miller had some difficulty when he arrived because of the "stay in the paint" mantra here. He started last combining our stay in the paint and his previous coming out to cut angles depending on the situation. He talked about that in an interview last season. With that it sounds more like a, no more Melanson thing rather than a addition of Cloutier thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 10 hours ago, NexusRift said: Clouts was a stellar goalie. Especially in a 'Nucks uni. The famous, or infamous, if you will, letting in a weak one in those playoffs was an anomolie. It's been a decade and a half since that. Get over it! Anywho............... Goaltending was never an issue with us. The vast knowledge from all Goalie coaches i'm sure, stick with the players throughout their careers. Clouts wealth of knowledge in such can only make for better performances from our already stellar tandem. In all SC bound 'Nuck teams, the goaltending, IMHO, was never an issue. Though none were original 'Nuck drafts and all were acquired via trade, we rock in this position, new goaltending coach or not. 3.31 GAA .872 SV% 0 shutouts 10-13-0 career playoffs take off the glasses brü Killed it in the regular season though, remember the shutout record season? Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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