Who Is Making the Decisions in Management?

[Byrix]

From start of training camp til now, we've seen a lot of mix messages sent by Canucks management. For example, needing a 20 goal scorer, yet not drafting Tkachuk. Let Virtanen make the team just to sit him.  It all seems like if there's someone who can't make up his mind on what to do. So my question is who is that guy? Who is really making(or in this case, NOT Making) the decisions in Canucks management?

 

*I'm sorry if I've indicated a power struggle. Not my intention and I don't think that's the case here. Just to clearify.*

[Chris_P]

This has the fingerprints of a meddling owner IMO

[SaintPatrick33]

Well, someone pays the paycheques, who do you think made the bold decision to hire Torts? Sure wasn't Gillis. Stay out of hockey ops and learn to play your role which is making money, otherwise stick to making hundreds of millions and leave the actual hockey decisions to people who have more knowledge than you.

 

The Bowman's say Hi! Let Chicago be a reminder of how a change in ownership and thinking can result in some cups, or a dynasty. 

 

Signed, ex-season ticket holder, still watching a loser franchise on TV. 

[cripplereh]

owners always make them,but Benning has say,linden has say and the coach,so group effort

[SaintPatrick33]

1 minute ago, cripplereh said:

owners always make them,but Benning has say,linden has say and the coach,so group effort

 

What evidence do you base this on? Because so far most of the media has stated otherwise to your opinion? Once again ask Gillis who hired Torts. 

 

How many empty seats do you see at the Rog? You payin bud? 

[cripplereh]

 

3 minutes ago, SaintPatrick33 said:

 

What evidence do you base this on? Because so far most of the media has stated otherwise to your opinion? Once again ask Gillis who hired Torts. 

 

How many empty seats do you see at the Rog? You payin bud? 

well lets see Benning has said himself he wanted a full rebuild but owners want a rebuild on the fly to get more money,so go back look it up and see that is what has happened

[SaintPatrick33]

7 minutes ago, cripplereh said:

 

well lets see Benning has said himself he wanted a full rebuild but owners want a rebuild on the fly to get more money,so go back look it up and see that is what has happened

 

So your statement only confirms about ownership meddling? Perhaps you should state that first as a paying consumer. 

 

Love the statement "building on the fly".... this is what Torontahhhh did for years by trading for Kessel and Phanooof, yet all it led to was an epic playoff collapse. Now look at that team, full of tier-one prospects once they hired the right people and committed to a proper rebuild. 

 

State your opinion soldier, do not be afraid! 

[Makaramel MacKhiato]

I think you're listening mainly to fans, who wanted the 20 goal scorer in Tkachuk (like I did), but Benning saw the value of a potential top defenseman. Benning and Willie made the decision on Virtanen together, but their hands were tied with his lack of effort, so his playing time diminished. From what I heard, ownership has nothing to do with it. 

 

I think we have a management team (from coach to owner) that absolutely hates losing and take pride in their work, and it sometimes ruins their ability to make wise decisions, as making the right decision (ex. sending Virtanen down as one of them) means you're folding your cards and accepting failure. 

[tas]

this whole thing about meddling ownership is ridiculous. have you people never had jobs before? there's always a hierarchy, and the owner is always at the top.

 

benning and linden make the day to day decisions for the team, like gillis before them. when he feels it's needed or warranted, francesco makes his opinion known. when things aren't going well, that's going to happen more frequently, and the opinions will likely be stated with more force than when things are going well.

 

this all seems so obvious to me. 

[MrCanuck94]

Owners - set expectation (want competitive team, care for future)

Linden - final say in all decisions

Benning - in-charge of aquiring player personnel that will help us win, taking the mess that was leftover and turning it over as fast as he can to please a non-patient fanbase, even more-so since he has to stay competitive and cannot blow it up.

Willie - in-charge of players during game-time.

 

All in all it's a group effort.

 

I'm tired of everyone trashing Linden and Benning for wanting to keep a winning and competitive environment and when they make bold moves to try and make us better. Reading people hate on stupid things like "oh watch Benning trade a blue-chip for an aging winger", like when has that happened? All he has done is make bold trades to try and help us now AND in the long term (no old players, everyone being mid-early 20's). Yeah he has signed players as stop-gaps to help stay competitive (Miller/Vrbata/Eriksson), but that's to help slowly transition the youth instead of pressuring them into spots like the Oilers have. He is slowly building a core with what he is given.

 

If we pick Tkatchuk and he doesn't do well, people complain about not picking Juolevi, it works both ways, you can't please everyone. We needed Elite defense prospects, we have that now. The draft is all about taking risks, easy to use hindsight to judge, especially after only a few games (Nichuskin vs. Horvat).

 

I agree Jake should be playing more, but there is no way he has earned his ice being the floater he has been this year, the lack of effort and effectiveness may not have been predicted by management, who are giving him a chance to shine at this level but he isn't pulling through, so sending him down until he's earned it would be the right move, but I'm sure they have a plan.

 

Willie is the only one I'm really concerned about, I feel like, although we are in a "development stage", he isn't getting the full potential out of our players offensively with whatever system is being utilized, but it seems like his days are numbered anyways so not that much of a concern.

 

BELIEVE in Linden and Benning, this is the best prospect pool we've ever had, our future is slowly becoming bright, a few more bad years and we'll have the couple elite/franchise prospects that we are missing supported by our core of young players we have already been developing to become great again. We may not agree with all their moves (I haven't), but just because they have a different strategy doesn't mean it's the wrong move. 1 + 4 = 5 but so does 2 + 3.

 

GO CANUCKS!

[SaintPatrick33]

15 minutes ago, tas said:

this whole thing about meddling ownership is ridiculous. have you people never had jobs before? there's always a hierarchy, and the owner is always at the top.

 

benning and linden make the day to day decisions for the team, like gillis before them. when he feels it's needed or warranted, francesco makes his opinion known. when things aren't going well, that's going to happen more frequently, and the opinions will likely be stated with more force than when things are going well.

 

this all seems so obvious to me. 

 

Once again, your statement comes off as being completely homer. 

 

I ask you who hired Torts???? Because as Gillis stated on the radio, it sure was not his decision. He even stated he wished for a full rebuild, and he did so by trading schneids for Bo. Then he was fired. GL GMMG! Now bring in JB and Linden to save the day! LOL! 

 

Unsure what angle you are coming from, because we are still watching a struggling team. I bet you have not paid for what you are watching? A sportsnet watcher are ya? 

[tas]

25 minutes ago, SaintPatrick33 said:

 

Once again, your statement comes off as being completely homer. 

 

I ask you who hired Torts???? Because as Gillis stated on the radio, it sure was not his decision. He even stated he wished for a full rebuild, and he did so by trading schneids for Bo. Then he was fired. GL GMMG! Now bring in JB and Linden to save the day! LOL! 

 

Unsure what angle you are coming from, because we are still watching a struggling team. I bet you have not paid for what you are watching? A sportsnet watcher are ya? 

 

45 minutes ago, tas said:

when he feels it's needed or warranted, francesco makes his opinion known. when things aren't going well, that's going to happen more frequently, and the opinions will likely be stated with more force than when things are going well.

 

and as an out of market canucks fan, I have to pay $200 a year to watch those sportsnet games. 

[SaintPatrick33]

3 minutes ago, tas said:

 

 

and as an out of market canucks fan, I have to pay $200 a year to watch those sportsnet games. 

 

Once again, you like @cripplereh have proven my point. What are you paying for? The owners to meddle in hockey ops?? Like I said ask the Hawks fans what they felt after a change in ownership, also ask them about all their cups. 

 

Feel free to voice your opinion, this is a sportstalk forum after all. Thank you come again. 

[Stelar]

34 minutes ago, SaintPatrick33 said:

 

Once again, your statement comes off as being completely homer. 

 

I ask you who hired Torts???? Because as Gillis stated on the radio, it sure was not his decision. He even stated he wished for a full rebuild, and he did so by trading schneids for Bo. Then he was fired. GL GMMG! Now bring in JB and Linden to save the day! LOL! 

 

Unsure what angle you are coming from, because we are still watching a struggling team. I bet you have not paid for what you are watching? A sportsnet watcher are ya? 

 

You don't start a rebuild by trading a young number one goalie.  He traded Cory because he screwed up the goalie situation badly.  He couldn't get anything for Lu so traded Cory instead. Had nothing to do with his "rebuild"

[Stelar]

10 minutes ago, tas said:

 

 

and as an out of market canucks fan, I have to pay $200 a year to watch those sportsnet games. 

 

He seems to have an obsession on whether you are paying to watch games....  Like there is a different class of fan...

[SaintPatrick33]

2 minutes ago, Stelar said:

 

You don't start a rebuild by trading a young number one goalie.  He traded Cory because he screwed up the goalie situation badly.  He couldn't get anything for Lu so traded Cory instead. Had nothing to do with his "rebuild"

 

Not sure if you heard on the radio what Gillis stated about Torts... he was noncommittal on his hiring. Gillis even admitted to wanted to start a full rebuild, so not sure if you are joking or not. He was fired for taking on that idiot Torts for your info. Look at Gillis's health before he was fired, you can see the stress on his face alone. Turns out Gillis got Hovat and Markstrom out of the situation, so that is not bad at all. 

 

Please educate me on the inner ramblings of this organization, because they sure have not shown they want to be winners, rather egoists who act like they know hockey ops. 

 

Tell me about Chicago?

[samurai]

trump is, he controls everything

[timberz21]

I'm tired of this ownership conspiracy theory.  Benning is running the show.

 

1st - Drafting Tkachuk doesn't solve our 20 goals scorer problem, as he wasn't even sure to make the roster.  After 12 games he's on pace for 20 goals, but we all know scoring is up and it's going to get harder and harder to score as the season goes on.  I don't expect him to have more than 15 goals.  I'm pretty sure none of the owners has seen any of the 2016 draft eligible player play in person.  Benning said it from the start he wanted a 30G and 20G scorer.  He got Eriksson, but trade markets are so hard that he's still looking for the 20G scorer.  All were Benning's decision.

 

2nd - Virtanen was Benning's 1st pick and an important one.  He's like his baby and sending Virtanen down makes him look like it was the wrong pick.  Hence, another arguments that these are Benning's decision wanting to keep Virtanen up and wanting him to succeed.

 

3rd - I think Benning made it clear that he's an open book, has integrity and has his vision.   Do you think for a second that Benning would let ownership drive this team to the ground when he's running the ship?  That would only make him look bad and would make it hard to get another NHL job after that.  I'm pretty sure Benning would rather quit now and save his reputation for later than let ownership make mistakes with Benning getting the blame for it. 

 

4th -  Usually a rebuilding/retooling GM has a five year to show he can turn this team around.  This is Benning's 3rd year as a GM.  If he tanks now he might as well hand in his resignation because he's not going to turn this team around in 2 years.  So all of this rebuilding on the fly is Benning's plan, hoping he can turn this thing around before year 5 and keep his job longer.

 

Does ownership gives Benning, goals, objectives, targets...OF COURSE, that how you run a business.  But all the operational decisions are Benning's and Linden.

 

[Stelar]

1 minute ago, timberz21 said:

I'm tired of this ownership conspiracy theory.  Benning is running the show.

 

1st - Drafting Tkachuk doesn't solve our 20 goals scorer problem, as he wasn't even sure to make the roster.  After 12 games he's on pace for 20 goals, but we all know scoring is up and it's going to get harder and harder to score as the season goes on.  I don't expect him to have more than 15 goals.  I'm pretty sure none of the owners has seen any of the 2016 draft eligible player play in person.  Benning said it from the start he wanted a 30G and 20G scorer.  He got Eriksson, but trade markets are so hard that he's still looking for the 20G scorer.  All were Benning's decision.

 

2nd - Virtanen was Benning's 1st pick and an important one.  He's like his baby and sending Virtanen down makes him look like it was the wrong pick.  Hence, another arguments that these are Benning's decision wanting to keep Virtanen up and wanting him to succeed.

 

3rd - I think Benning made it clear that he's an open book, has integrity and has his vision.   Do you think for a second that Benning would let ownership drive this team to the ground when he's running the ship?  That would only make him look bad and would make it hard to get another NHL job after that.  I'm pretty sure Benning would rather quit now and save his reputation for later than let ownership make mistakes with Benning getting the blame for it. 

 

4th -  Usually a rebuilding/retooling GM has a five year to show he can turn this team around.  This is Benning's 3rd year as a GM.  If he tanks now he might as well hand in his resignation because he's not going to turn this team around in 2 years.  So all of this rebuilding on the fly is Benning's plan, hoping he can turn this thing around before year 5 and keep his job longer.

 

Does ownership gives Benning, goals, objectives, targets...OF COURSE, that how you run a business.  But all the operational decisions are Benning's and Linden.

 

 

Get out of here with your sense and reasoning......  

 

Chicago...Chicago....

[combover]

13 minutes ago, Stelar said:

 

You don't start a rebuild by trading a young number one goalie.  He traded Cory because he screwed up the goalie situation badly.  He couldn't get anything for Lu so traded Cory instead. Had nothing to do with his "rebuild"

Actually you can look to ownership there too.

there were rumoured deals to move Lou in place and the owners told gillis to go back and asked for more. Just like hamhuis to Dallas.

the ridiculous deal for Louie owners had a hand in that too.

gillis wasnt the problem, he had a win now team and was getting win now pressure, when the team started changing is after ownership decided they wanted to be bigger 2012 it's been a swirling toilet ever since.

gillis was the scape goat for ownerships hand in the cookie jar and benning will be the same as soon as he grows a spine.

ownership is as short sighted as they come, this win now nonsense, no decent hockey person would see this club with its current roster as That. 

this is the worst ownership in franchise history. And they have a gm that's quickly racking up all franchise worst records.