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4 minutes ago, combover said:

there were rumoured deals to move Lou in place and the owners told gillis to go back and asked for more. Just like hamhuis to Dallas.

the ridiculous deal for Louie owners had a hand in that too.

 

wasn't there something about the Kesler trade being changed and was re-done as well?

Looking back, I would love to have the #6, #10 and #24 pick in that draft.

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45 minutes ago, SaintPatrick33 said:

 

Once again, you like @cripplereh have proven my point. What are you paying for? The owners to meddle in hockey ops?? Like I said ask the Hawks fans what they felt after a change in ownership, also ask them about all their cups. 

 

Feel free to voice your opinion, this is a sportstalk forum after all. Thank you come again. 

 

comparing the aquilinis to bill wirtz is ridiculous. 

 

hawks fans were happy when wirtz died because it allowed rocky to come in and 1. spend money on the team, and 2. lift the ridiculous mandate of refusing to televise home games.

 

by comparison, the canucks fans problem is that the canucks ownership cares too much and spends so much money on the team that they feel justified weighing in and occasionally making executive orders. 

 

boohoo for canucks fans. 

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A lot of people here should actually look up the definition of "meddling". A "meddling owner" is really an oxymoron. The Aqualinis' own the team, it is ultimately there responsibility.  They can be involved as much or as little as they like. That being said I don't see any real contradiction between Benning's publicly expressed philosophy and his actions taken as GM. Teasing apart Benning and Linden is more difficult. But I personally think over the last 6 months or so Linden has distanced himself from Benning (at least publicly). Very different than the first year when they continually appeared together and stated that they made decisions together etc. Perhaps there's nothing to it, but if there is I don't think it is a bad move by Linden.

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22 minutes ago, tas said:

 

comparing the aquilinis to bill wirtz is ridiculous. 

 

hawks fans were happy when wirtz died because it allowed rocky to come in and 1. spend money on the team, and 2. lift the ridiculous mandate of refusing to televise home games.

 

by comparison, the canucks fans problem is that the canucks ownership cares too much and spends so much money on the team that they feel justified weighing in and occasionally making executive orders. 

 

boohoo for canucks fans. 

 

Exactly, once again another poster proves me right. How about these multi-millionaire owners stay out of hockey ops and let some real hockey people run the team? Would it be too hard a hit on the ol' ego for them? 

 

So far they have run a franchise littered with talent into the ground. Go fire Willie D and hire another Torts, I will not be surprised. 

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2 hours ago, MrCanuck94 said:

Owners - set expectation (want competitive team, care for future)

Linden - final say in all decisions

Benning - in-charge of aquiring player personnel that will help us win, taking the mess that was leftover and turning it over as fast as he can to please a non-patient fanbase, even more-so since he has to stay competitive and cannot blow it up.

Willie - in-charge of players during game-time.

 

All in all it's a group effort.

 

I'm tired of everyone trashing Linden and Benning for wanting to keep a winning and competitive environment and when they make bold moves to try and make us better. Reading people hate on stupid things like "oh watch Benning trade a blue-chip for an aging winger", like when has that happened? All he has done is make bold trades to try and help us now AND in the long term (no old players, everyone being mid-early 20's). Yeah he has signed players as stop-gaps to help stay competitive (Miller/Vrbata/Eriksson), but that's to help slowly transition the youth instead of pressuring them into spots like the Oilers have. He is slowly building a core with what he is given.

 

If we pick Tkatchuk and he doesn't do well, people complain about not picking Juolevi, it works both ways, you can't please everyone. We needed Elite defense prospects, we have that now. The draft is all about taking risks, easy to use hindsight to judge, especially after only a few games (Nichuskin vs. Horvat).

 

I agree Jake should be playing more, but there is no way he has earned his ice being the floater he has been this year, the lack of effort and effectiveness may not have been predicted by management, who are giving him a chance to shine at this level but he isn't pulling through, so sending him down until he's earned it would be the right move, but I'm sure they have a plan.

 

Willie is the only one I'm really concerned about, I feel like, although we are in a "development stage", he isn't getting the full potential out of our players offensively with whatever system is being utilized, but it seems like his days are numbered anyways so not that much of a concern.

 

BELIEVE in Linden and Benning, this is the best prospect pool we've ever had, our future is slowly becoming bright, a few more bad years and we'll have the couple elite/franchise prospects that we are missing supported by our core of young players we have already been developing to become great again. We may not agree with all their moves (I haven't), but just because they have a different strategy doesn't mean it's the wrong move. 1 + 4 = 5 but so does 2 + 3.

 

GO CANUCKS!

Couldn't have said it better.

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2 minutes ago, baumerman77 said:

A lot of people here should actually look up the definition of "meddling". A "meddling owner" is really an oxymoron. The Aqualinis' own the team, it is ultimately there responsibility.  They can be involved as much or as little as they like. That being said I don't see any real contradiction between Benning's publicly expressed philosophy and his actions taken as GM. Teasing apart Benning and Linden is more difficult. But I personally think over the last 6 months or so Linden has distanced himself from Benning (at least publicly). Very different than the first year when they continually appeared together and stated that they made decisions together etc. Perhaps there's nothing to it, but if there is I don't think it is a bad move by Linden.

 

So now you blame the GM for what he was expected to do from ownership? Way to go bud, great response. Let the middling owners do what they want to this franchise, after all a rebuild on the fly always works. I bet JB did not even approve of the Loui deal, this was what the owners wanted just like how Gillis was thrown under the bus. Give it a break, time to give these owners a wake up call and let them know nobody in Vancouver will pay for whats currently presented in front of us. 

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5 minutes ago, baumerman77 said:

But I personally think over the last 6 months or so Linden has distanced himself from Benning (at least publicly). Very different than the first year when they continually appeared together and stated that they made decisions together etc. Perhaps there's nothing to it, but if there is I don't think it is a bad move by Linden.

 

Making firing someone easier?

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1 hour ago, Stelar said:

 

Get out of here with your sense and reasoning......  

 

Chicago...Chicago....

Chicago turned the corner when the old Wirtz died and his son took the reins.  Wirtz senior was from the days when as long as you had paying customers in the seats and they were buying your popcorn who cares about the product on the ice.  Keep your costs down.   Old school thinking went out the window immediately and the right moves were made to turn the club around.  It worked.

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49 minutes ago, SaintPatrick33 said:

 

Exactly, once again another poster proves me right. How about these multi-millionaire owners stay out of hockey ops and let some real hockey people run the team? Would it be too hard a hit on the ol' ego for them? 

 

So far they have run a franchise littered with talent into the ground. Go fire Willie D and hire another Torts, I will not be surprised. 

your opinion on the matter will be valid when you buy a $300+ million business, turn it into a $700+ million business (25% of your family's massive net worth), and then casually sit back and allow people to tear down all that work, cost you millions of dollars and set you back a decade without so much as offering an opinion or making a decision. 

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6 minutes ago, tas said:

your opinion on the matter will be valid when you buy a $300+ million business, turn it into a $700+ million business (25% of your family's massive net worth), and then casually sit back and allow people to tear down all that work, cost you millions of dollars and set you back a decade without so much as offering an opinion or making a decision. 

 

Well my friend, it appears I do not have to make that much money, like I said, the Rogers Arena is half-empty as it is, so unless you are aquaman, please fill me in on how you will make money for this product you have on the ice. Some fans are even rejecting "free" tickets at the moment. 

 

Good comeback though, great way to bring fans back to the fold, get 700 mill then complain?? LOL! Right, maybe our best owner Arthur Griffiths should come back and own the team again now that it is under a cost-controlled salary cap. 

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Every successful business venture has a couple of key aspects:

1/ Surround yourself with the best people. At every level of management (from the Owner and his board of directors down to the manager of building maintenance) each operational pod has the central final decision maker but operated best when that decision maker takes suggestions from each member of the pod.

2/ Trust the next levels down. The owner trusts the directors of the Hockey Operation, just as they trust the next level down to do their job (they hold them accountable, but they must allow them to perform to the level to which they were hired...otherwise, have you really surrounded yourself with the best people?).

 

The problems happen when upper management (any level higher than the current level being looked at) begins to micro-manage that lower level (for example the GM sees the janitor in the maintenance room and begins to question which chemical to use, how much etc etc). Each pod must be trusted to do their job, with minimal interference.

 

So I believe that this is where the Aquilini family interference is harming the team. If they don't trust Trevor and Jim to run this process then they need to be replaced with people that they do trust (competent qualified hockey people)...and then let them run the team with minimal interference.

 

In response to the whole "owners have the final say, they own the business afterall etc etc"...well...all I can say is I doubt you've ever held a highend position in a company. As a middle manager for most of my career (I did have one short year long stint as a VP) I had my most success when I was able to operate with support, but not interference, from upper management. Of all the companies I've worked for, the worst ones (and the ones that have subsequently gone bankrupt or have been taken-over) are the ones where upper management interfered too much (micro managed to some extent) and basically drove their own company into the ground. This is where the Canucks organization is headed right now. Ticket prices (and therefore overall revenue stream) are down, and the owners are scrambling to re-gain. I get their passion and I never question their commitment, I only question their recovery tactic.

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The Fans make the decisions, through empty seats and tickets that people can't give away. The NHL is a business, which is all about the Fans, and it is that end of things that holds the management and ownership accountable. As soon as the ownership sees the fan base losing intertest they sit everyone down and say, what are we going to do about it and there better be answers. This is the reason the coach cannot survive should we keep losing and this is the reason that TL and JB have to come up with results that alow them to keep their jobs. Now, at this point it really only amounts to the fan base seeing the team moving in the right direction so that they don't lose interest, but thus far this season that is a tough sell. If we keep losing it at least means that WD has to go, so stop acting like it means the ownership is interfering, as management has to be accountable.

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1 hour ago, pmalina said:

I don´t know. I don´t even know any of them personally.

Wow honestly the best response I have seen in a while to a moronic thread.. getting sick of this whiny fan base claiming they know what's going on from the sanctity of their living rooms.  Note to all the whiners... YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT GOES ON BEHOND CLOSED DOORS! Non of you have ever worked in the business, some have... but I garauntee they are NOT the ones crying over nonsense all the time

 

 Ugh end rant

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It's called CANUCKS MANAGEMENT. Who else would be making decisions ??? as per all NHL clubs owners all the way down to the coaches and players have input and provide opinion on decisions involving their teams. It is a major misconception that there are certain teams that have " meddling " by owners. They all have say in all NHL organizations.

 

Not sure why this is so hard to understand or how people think in the Canucks case having owners who care and are involved is such a horrible thing. At the end of the day JB, TL, and WD make the decisions we see re: drafting, roster management and so on. Owners rightfully so can influence certain aspects, always have always will.

 

 

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