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9 hours ago, SaintPatrick33 said:

 

So your statement only confirms about ownership meddling? Perhaps you should state that first as a paying consumer. 

 

Love the statement "building on the fly".... this is what Torontahhhh did for years by trading for Kessel and Phanooof, yet all it led to was an epic playoff collapse. Now look at that team, full of tier-one prospects once they hired the right people and committed to a proper rebuild. 

 

State your opinion soldier, do not be afraid! 

wow I have and I like what Benning and Linden are doing so if you have not read much on here you would know how I feel and never afraid to say how I feel at all,but yes all owners no matter what have a say or they wouldn't be owners.

They pick the GM and hear how they will make their team better so nothing new at all.Sports is a business and nothing more

 

To me I would fire WD get a new coach before anything else,that doesn't work then you make a trade or two before we fall to far behind.

 

Benning has drafted well his career and a year or two more of him as GM will do us better then getting a new GM.

 

But if by seasons end if we are not close to a playoff spot by TDL then get rid of who you can  Edler,hansen,Eriksson,the twins and possibly Sutter and do the rebuild to get a 1C which we have not had or a couple years now

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Reality is, right now there's nothing that can happen to help this crappy Canucks team right now. No new management, No new coach, No new Owner, Canucks can't make any trades, not because they don't want to. it's because no other team is willing to give up anything. Any trades right now will be for a player that has a huge problem. That's why the Kane rumors. The guy is a moron. There is NO good player trades out there and the worst thing to do is give away any draft picks.

 

The Only smart Trades Canucks can make are not for adding new players its to subtract Canuck players with draft picks and prospects. Canucks need to restock.

 

Can we trade Loui E? theirs no reason why he's on this team, by the time Canuck get their prospects up to speed Loui will be over the hill old.

 

Canucks fans need to be patience, because there NO quick fixes. 

 

I believe in JB at the draft. Let's hope he gets some draft picks so we can finally make a future team.

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Just now, HockeyHarry said:

Reality is, right now there's nothing that can happen to help this crappy Canucks team right now. No new management, No new coach, No new Owner, Canucks can't make any trades, not because they don't want to. it's because no other team is willing to give up anything. Any trades right now will be for a player that has a huge problem. That's why the Kane rumors. The guys a moron. There is NO good player trades out there and the worst thing to do is give away any draft picks.

 

The Only smart Trades Canucks can make are not for adding new players is to subtract Canuck players with draft picks and prospects. Canucks need to restock.

 

Can we trade Loui E? theirs no reason why he's on this team, by the time Canuck get their prospects up to speed Loui will be over the hill old.

 

Canucks fans need to do patience, because there NO quick fixes. 

 

I believe in JB at the draft. Let's hope he gets some draft picks so we can finally make a future team.

There is the Brandan Saad rumour though.  He's in Torts' dog house, and he is talked about in trade rumours.  Would we give up Hutton for Saad?

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On 11/10/2016 at 0:13 PM, S'all Good Man said:

 

My theory on this is Tkachuk tanked his combine interview with JB. I don't think he wanted to be a Canuck and he let JB know it. I have no proof, other than how thrilled Tkachuk was in his draft interview and how he said Cowgary was where he targeted and where he wanted to really be. 

Really the calgary interviewers felt he wasn't very thrilled about being in Canada in general.  

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On 2016-11-10 at 4:16 PM, Green Goblin said:

The owners always have the final say.

 

IMO... Management and the Prez are just saying "we're pushing for the playoffs".

 

When in reality we're STEALTH TANKING!

 

Nolan Patrick

Timothy Liljegren 

 

Okay?

 

Liljegren is working great for me in be a gm we should go with him. :P

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On ‎11‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 5:57 AM, combover said:

Actually you can look to ownership there too.

there were rumoured deals to move Lou in place and the owners told gillis to go back and asked for more. Just like hamhuis to Dallas.

the ridiculous deal for Louie owners had a hand in that too.

gillis wasnt the problem, he had a win now team and was getting win now pressure, when the team started changing is after ownership decided they wanted to be bigger 2012 it's been a swirling toilet ever since.

gillis was the scape goat for ownerships hand in the cookie jar and benning will be the same as soon as he grows a spine.

ownership is as short sighted as they come, this win now nonsense, no decent hockey person would see this club with its current roster as That. 

this is the worst ownership in franchise history. And they have a gm that's quickly racking up all franchise worst records.  

 

 

Based on what actual facts? Heresay from parasites on 1040?

 

Is that you Jason Brough? I think it is. The mole has been found!

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There is the Brandan Saad rumour though.  He's in Torts' dog house, and he is talked about in trade rumours.  Would we give up Hutton for Saad?

 

No it's a Dumb trade. Hutton is too young with upside. Tanev is 27, so trading him would be better. Gotta look at a players age and think realistically at how old will that player be by the time our future NOT drafted yet players become NHL player ready. 

Its going to be a long time. 5+ years minimum.

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Wasn't sure where to put this but I'll throw it in here. This is an article from 2009 that I found yesterday with thoughts from Gillis and Vigneault after the season.

 

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/176572-mike-gillis-and-alain-vigneault-reflect-on-the-vancouver-canucks-season#

 

I thought the following quote from Gillis was interesting when asked about re-signing Luongo. 

 

Sound familiar?

 

EDIT: Just to clarify, I don't have a problem with owners giving GMs a framework to work within. It's their team. Thought this was interesting seven years after the fact to now. Sounds very similar.

 

“I think that if we continue to work at creating the right environment here and having a team that is competitive, I have no issues with that."

 

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• “To build may have to be the slow and laborious task of years. To destroy can be the thoughtless act of a single day.”

• “To improve is to change, so to be perfect is to change often.”

• “The price of greatness is responsibility.”

• “Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.”

• “Attitude is a little thing that makes a BIG difference.”

• “Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts.”

• “If you’re going through hell, keep going.”

• “What is adequacy? Adequacy is no standard at all.”

• “In the course of my life I have often had to eat my words, and I must confess that I have always found it a wholesome diet.” 

• “Every man should ask himself each day whether he is not too readily accepting negative solutions.” 

• “The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.”

• “It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time.”

• “It’s not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what’s required.”

• “Out of intense complexities, intense simplicities emerge.”

• “Continuous effort – not strength or intelligence – is the key to unlocking our potential.”

And finally…

• “If you have an important point to make, don’t try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time-a tremendous whack.”

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On 2016-11-10 at 6:49 AM, Chris_P said:

This has the fingerprints of a meddling owner IMO

 

I would suggest the following to those who keep complaining about Aqualini

 

a. The whole "playoff revenue" argument is nonsense. If anyone thinks a billionaire cares about 500k vs the long term value of his franchise / asset - well it explains why no one here is a billionaire and he is.

 

b. He owns the business so even if he is "meddling" he has a f'ing right to do as he pleases - he paid he 550 mil it cost to acquire the business.

 

c. When anyone here has the money to purchase an NHL franchise please do go ahead and make an offer to him to run it as you see fit

 

d. If you don't like what he may or may not be doing to HIS company (not yours by the way) either buy your own as above or don't purchase the product he is selling. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Boeser said:

 

I would suggest the following to those who keep complaining about Aqualini

 

d. If you don't like what he may or may not be doing to HIS company (not yours by the way) either buy your own as above or don't purchase the product he is selling

 

 

I think D.

 

Tickets are not going to sell. It'll be Empty. Good work Aquilinis. You have your own very private NHL team where you can watch all alone.

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14 minutes ago, HockeyHarry said:

 

I think D.

 

Tickets are not going to sell. It'll be Empty. Good work Aquilinis. You have your own very private NHL team where you can watch all alone.

Well there are 29 directly comparable products people can choose if they so please.

 

In addition, outside those 29 comparable products there are 1000's of other alternatives to place one's entertainment dollars if one doesn't find what he's offering entertaining or one finds it frustrating.

 

If I don't like a director of a movie or the actors, do I go to the movie? Do I rent it? Do I buy movie memorabilia? No I choose not to see the movie with those people involved.

 

Choosing to go see THAT movie, buying related articles, spending your time obsessing about that movie if you've decided the above (not liking the actors and directors / writers) and  then complaining about it on social media is to me a sign of being psychologically disturbed.

 

Go see a different movie that one won't complain about - pretty simple. 

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19 minutes ago, Boeser said:

Well there are 29 directly comparable products people can choose if they so please.

 

In addition, outside those 29 comparable products there are 1000's of other alternatives to place one's entertainment dollars if one doesn't find what he's offering entertaining or one finds it frustrating.

 

If I don't like a director of a movie or the actors, do I go to the movie? Do I rent it? Do I buy movie memorabilia? No I choose not to see the movie with those people involved.

 

Choosing to go see THAT movie, buying related articles, spending your time obsessing about that movie if you've decided the above (not liking the actors and directors / writers) and  then complaining about it on social media is to me a sign of being psychologically disturbed.

 

Go see a different movie that one won't complain about - pretty simple. 

So what your saying is 

Canuck Ownership are like diapers and must be changed often, and for the same reason.

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It's acceptable for owners to have a say in what happens with the franchise and set the overall vision for the team. It's their money after all. What's not ok is when owners don't listen to voices of reason from below them or doesn't give them breathing room to make decisions.

 

We don't have much evidence that says how much ownership is messing with the team, but there seem to be plenty of clues.

 

It's my belief that the first domino fell after the 2011 Cup Final, when the Canucks attempted to chase the Bruins' style of play, attempting to add toughness to the team but instead watering down what made the team great.  They should have doubled down on adding skill to the team, while adding youth.  Instead they added mediocre players and failed to add youth.  Follow was pretty committed to playing a skilled style, so I have to wonder if his sudden change of heart had anything to do with ownership.  This team should have been more proactive about adding talented young players, yet it seems ownership continues to sabotage management's efforts to do so.

 

The number of times we've seen this team make moves that seem so obviously counterproductive to both the team's welfare and to the stated goal's and philosophies of management definitely makes me suspicious of excessive owner meddling 

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47 minutes ago, HockeyHarry said:

So what your saying is 

Canuck Ownership are like diapers and must be changed often, and for the same reason.

Actually that's not what I'm saying

 

If that's your interpretation of what I just said I don't even know how to start explaining since it's pretty transparent and you may be in another part of the multiverse w that response 

 

Perhaps you should "go see another movie" 

 

Implicit in many of the comments I read here is the underlying assumption that the owners "owe" the fans something. No they do not and that's irrespective of the fact NO one knows if the owners are even getting involved in any material capacity other than what people like that amateur Botchford spews for the dramatic stew he creates for the village idiot types in Vancouver.

 

Owners "owe" fans nothing other than entertainment for their dollar and time. If they do not deliver that, why should one go again? Or watch again? 

 

If such fan finds the time and dollars spent for such entertainment are not value for money they have a choice - stop wasting your time and money. 

 

As I said, if you keep spending your time and money on entertainment that is not entertaining, who's to blame? The guy selling you the non entertainment or you for wasting your time and money.

 

Doing the same thing over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity is it not?

 

So again, if you don't like it don't buy it vs buying it, buying it again, buying it again and so on, and then bitching about it on social media that the owner is not doing what you want and the entertainment is not entertainment. I don't like Jim Carey, do I go to every Jim Carey movie and then bitch about it sucking balls and how much I hate Jim Carey? No that would be stupid wouldn't it? Jim Carey doesn't owe me entertainment does he? Should I keep going and demanding he entertain me even though I know he won't?

 

Problem solved. I won't explain this again.

 

 

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