By sea and land Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 We all know we have no team identity, correct? An easy solution in my eyes is to target and reshape our 4th line. If you're a 4th liner chances are you're not scoring many goals or getting any PP time. For this reason alone, it's my opinion that you SHOULD specialize in one thing if you're on the 4th line. Centerman should be a solid skater and excel in the faceoff dot. Nothing else much matters. This is a low salary position to fulfill. Can Guance be this guy? Left Wing. This SHOULD be Andrey Pedan. I realize he's a Dman but with the emergence of Tryamkin (towering left hand Dman) and the likes of Edler, Hutton and Sbisa in front of him, not to forget Juolevi and perhaps Brisbois (all left handed and play left side), is there room for Pedan back there? Sure Tryamkin can play both sides but Tanev, Stecher and Gudbranson are currently there. Larsen and Biega hanging around too. Pedan has improved his skating and could pass as a 4th line LW. Why propose this? Because he specializes in toughness, something our team desperately lacks. Dorsett would play RW and suddenly we have a 4th line that can skate well enough and a line that can police a game. It's my belief that Virtanen plays with more spunk if he knows he doesn't have to fight if he throws a big hit or crashes the net. Baertschi, Bo, and Granlund can play a skill game and throw in an odd facewashing knowing their 4th line is watching. I believe we'd play bigger, hungrier but most importantly it would give our team a bit more of an identity. I don't buy for a minute that we can play the 'no tough guy' act like Detroit in years past because we don't have the roster or skill to do so. Sorry but Chaput and Burrows on the 4th line offer us what exactly? We need a 4th line that can not get scored on, police a game, give us some team toughness and let players in front of them play bigger. They only get 6-7 minutes of ice per game. Danny. Hank. Eriksson Sven. Bo. Virtanen Granlund. Sutter. Burrows/Hansen Pedan. Guance. Dorsett Burrows in press box once Hansen gets healthy. Edler. Tanev Hutton. Gudbranson Tryamkin. Stecher Sbisa Thoughts? Would this be better than what we have currently? Team toughness with solid D play and goaltending is within grasp. Thats a team identity I'd like to see. Our 4th line offers us zero. Notta. Zilch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonass Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Rolling four lines is ideal but our lineup is not ideal so agree, plus his translating ability will help Tryamkin develop quicker in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sygvard Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I honestly don't think that ANYONE playing 6 minutes a game will play any significant role in a teams identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Sorry but I'll have to respectfully disagree. Having even three knuckledraggers on the 4th line isn't going to 'change our identity'. You need "those guys" much further up the roster (playing meaningful icetime). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 19 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Sorry but I'll have to respectfully disagree. Having even three knuckledraggers on the 4th line isn't going to 'change our identity'. You need "those guys" much further up the roster (playing meaningful icetime). Yep. And Pedan as a forward is never gonna be more than a 7-8 minutes a night fourth liner. But if he can become a #5/6 D at the NHL level, he'll play 15-18 minutes. I know which one I'd prefer. Especially on a future D that includes Tryamkin and Gudbranson in the top-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Yes, the fourth line is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Especially on a future D that includes Tryamkin and Gudbranson in the top-4. Yup that'll be one tough pairing...if I was an opposing player, not sure which side I'd prefer to skate down (probably pass the puck off lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 idk why people want pedan as a forward so much, especially being wasted on the 4th line. he can develop into a pretty reliable guy on the back end, with a mean streak. you can still have toughness on a team that doesn't have to be on the 4th line. it also helps having a coach know can coach at an nhl level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 hour ago, By sea and land said: We all know we have no team identity, correct? An easy solution in my eyes is to target and reshape our 4th line. If you're a 4th liner chances are you're not scoring many goals or getting any PP time. For this reason alone, it's my opinion that you SHOULD specialize in one thing if you're on the 4th line. Centerman should be a solid skater and excel in the faceoff dot. Nothing else much matters. This is a low salary position to fulfill. Can Guance be this guy? Left Wing. This SHOULD be Andrey Pedan. I realize he's a Dman but with the emergence of Tryamkin (towering left hand Dman) and the likes of Edler, Hutton and Sbisa in front of him, not to forget Juolevi and perhaps Brisbois (all left handed and play left side), is there room for Pedan back there? Sure Tryamkin can play both sides but Tanev, Stecher and Gudbranson are currently there. Larsen and Biega hanging around too. Pedan has improved his skating and could pass as a 4th line LW. Why propose this? Because he specializes in toughness, something our team desperately lacks. Dorsett would play RW and suddenly we have a 4th line that can skate well enough and a line that can police a game. It's my belief that Virtanen plays with more spunk if he knows he doesn't have to fight if he throws a big hit or crashes the net. Baertschi, Bo, and Granlund can play a skill game and throw in an odd facewashing knowing their 4th line is watching. I believe we'd play bigger, hungrier but most importantly it would give our team a bit more of an identity. I don't buy for a minute that we can play the 'no tough guy' act like Detroit in years past because we don't have the roster or skill to do so. Sorry but Chaput and Burrows on the 4th line offer us what exactly? We need a 4th line that can not get scored on, police a game, give us some team toughness and let players in front of them play bigger. They only get 6-7 minutes of ice per game. Danny. Hank. Eriksson Sven. Bo. Virtanen Granlund. Sutter. Burrows/Hansen Pedan. Guance. Dorsett Burrows in press box once Hansen gets healthy. Edler. Tanev Hutton. Gudbranson Tryamkin. Stecher Sbisa Thoughts? Would this be better than what we have currently? Team toughness with solid D play and goaltending is within grasp. Thats a team identity I'd like to see. Our 4th line offers us zero. Notta. Zilch! Sedin-Sedin-Hansen Rodin-Horvat-Ericsson Baertschi-Granlund-Sutter Burrows-Guance-Virtanen Dorsett Skille waived If everyone is healthy by mid December. Edler-Gudbransson Hutton-Tanev Sbisa-Tryamkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Interesting, & well presented.. but it seems this roster needs time, & some vet contracts to expire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 3 hours ago, By sea and land said: We all know we have no team identity, correct? An easy solution in my eyes is to target and reshape our 4th line. If you're a 4th liner chances are you're not scoring many goals or getting any PP time. For this reason alone, it's my opinion that you SHOULD specialize in one thing if you're on the 4th line. Centerman should be a solid skater and excel in the faceoff dot. Nothing else much matters. This is a low salary position to fulfill. Can Guance be this guy? Left Wing. This SHOULD be Andrey Pedan. I realize he's a Dman but with the emergence of Tryamkin (towering left hand Dman) and the likes of Edler, Hutton and Sbisa in front of him, not to forget Juolevi and perhaps Brisbois (all left handed and play left side), is there room for Pedan back there? Sure Tryamkin can play both sides but Tanev, Stecher and Gudbranson are currently there. Larsen and Biega hanging around too. Pedan has improved his skating and could pass as a 4th line LW. Why propose this? Because he specializes in toughness, something our team desperately lacks. Dorsett would play RW and suddenly we have a 4th line that can skate well enough and a line that can police a game. It's my belief that Virtanen plays with more spunk if he knows he doesn't have to fight if he throws a big hit or crashes the net. Baertschi, Bo, and Granlund can play a skill game and throw in an odd facewashing knowing their 4th line is watching. I believe we'd play bigger, hungrier but most importantly it would give our team a bit more of an identity. I don't buy for a minute that we can play the 'no tough guy' act like Detroit in years past because we don't have the roster or skill to do so. Sorry but Chaput and Burrows on the 4th line offer us what exactly? We need a 4th line that can not get scored on, police a game, give us some team toughness and let players in front of them play bigger. They only get 6-7 minutes of ice per game. Danny. Hank. Eriksson Sven. Bo. Virtanen Granlund. Sutter. Burrows/Hansen Pedan. Guance. Dorsett Burrows in press box once Hansen gets healthy. Edler. Tanev Hutton. Gudbranson Tryamkin. Stecher Sbisa Thoughts? Would this be better than what we have currently? Team toughness with solid D play and goaltending is within grasp. Thats a team identity I'd like to see. Our 4th line offers us zero. Notta. Zilch! I am all in favour of having an imposing 4th line. That is a common feature of many rebuilding clubs. If we can't beat with skill, just beat them. Having Pedan as a 7-8th d who can skate on the 4th line could be part of that, but not until we ship out a d man or two. Labate can also take a spot. This could happen after the TDL if JB can sell off some aging assests for picks or prospects. EW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karvalegov Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 We could get started on this evil master plan right now since Gaunce is already on the 4th line. If he could put pure energy and physical play in his game NOW we would on our way and the fan's would have some hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Type R Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Honestly, I have zero issue with our fourth line. Gaunce is learning his game, Dorsett is earning his pay, and Burrows is offering leadership through example. They create chances, piss off the opposing team and get the puck out of our zone. They aren't perfect, but they perform their role decently, the improvements we need is further up the food chain. We need Rodin on the team and providing secondary scoring, we need Baertschi and Horvat playing in a scoring line and with some confidence. We need Hansen healthy and playing with Sutter (speed game) and honestly, we need to split the Sedins between the top lines. Daniel should play with Sutter and Hansen (Anchor the speed game with skill), and Henrik & Erikson should be playing together. Keep the Sedin's on the #1PP with Erikson, but for now, I would love to see this as it would be tougher to defend against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsofthands Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 pedan is a goon and not even a good one. Hes the #4 dman on our bad ahl team. Theres a reason no other team picked him up on waivers And thats another draft pick traded and wasted by JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead73 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I'm not sold on Pedan, fighting might not present itself very often and I do not see the hitting in the NHL I would expect from a gritty guy trying to make the team. I mean if your not fighting, scoring or hitting... What exactly would Pedan bring as his identity? I know it's a small sample size... I do agree we need to lay more hits out there, teams know they can skate freely against us because nobody lays the body outside of Gudbranson, Sbisa and Tryamkin. Edler a bit. Our forwards are soft as butter, including Dorsett Burrows I would agree with you... Hasn't been terrible defensively but outside his 2 goal game the other night he had zero points and looked slow out there. Chaput, I was actually pleasantly surprised with since I had not seen him play at all... Decent speed on the fore check, got 1 point in 3 games and still even. We suffer from soft players up front. We need to battle more (if they are even capable) a lot of our forwards are easily neutralized by opposing defense. One of the more annoying traits I find with our forwards is that our smaller players cant skate... It's one thing to give up a physical game for a speed game and another to give up both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 7 hours ago, MJDDawg said: Yes, the fourth line is the problem. Which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 43 minutes ago, drsofthands said: pedan is a goon and not even a good one. Hes the #4 dman on our bad ahl team. Theres a reason no other team picked him up on waivers And thats another draft pick traded and wasted by JB Trollolololozzz!!!!!!! Do you even know what the chances of a 3rd rounder making the NHLzzz are?!? Lolz you might as well ask a random person on the street to try out for the team lolzzz. Pedan is still an asset. Since JB is so good at trading we clearly underpaid for Pedan. We could probably fetch a late 1st or early 2nd at the deadlinezzz. Benning always makes something out of nothing. A lot of GMzzz are afraid to answer the phone when Jim callzzz. There are rumours he can hypnotize people into tradezzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasmijn Meeuwissen Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Just put Pedan with the Sedins already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I would agree except, Pedan isn't, really, that defensively solid, which is why he hasn't made the team yet. In todays NHL, a player has to have more than one asset to his game. In Pedan's case, being able to drop the gloves isn't enough. He's never going to be an offensive guru so he needs to learn how to play a defensive game and make very few mistakes. A fourth line has to have effective forecheckers who are defensively dependable. They don't put up a lot of offense, but have very few scored against while they are on the ice. Pedan does not possess either trait and until he learns to, at least, take care of his own end, night in and night out, he will always be in the "A" and get the odd call up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Where as I want to see Pedan make the Canucks I doubt it will be as a forward..and quite possibly not as a D either...he is buried behind so many Dmen now I dont see how he even gets a call up...there has to be some D moved out for that to happen...I like Pedan and what he brings but he isnt off to a stellar year in Utica..not bad but not great either...if he doesnt do well this season I doubt the Canucks will even resign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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