icycold Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 On 11/12/2016 at 10:47 AM, SergioMomesso said: I hope you guys realize the rebuild won't start until the 2 highest paid players are gone. And no contender will have the cap space to fit the twins until trade deadline day of the final year of their contracts. Sending FA a letter is a waste of time and energy. Hopefully Edler follows the twins out the door and the rebuild can finally happen. We are going to suck bad for three more years plus at the very least. 3 years? What makes you so sure? Honestly we have some payroll raises but with miller and burr off the books next yr is a big chunk of salary cap to we have no problem spending to. What happens if Rodin gets back and lights it up as in the pre-season and Boeser does the same next yr? I'm pretty confident on Boeser or Rodin on a line with Bo and Baer on 2nd line and Virtanen Sutter Rodin/Boeser on 3rd... Leaves Guance,Dorsett, and Hansen on 4th I have a hard time seeing those 4 lines "sucking" Most people who are demanding a trade for another scoring forward may not even be needed if Boeser plays his game as normal. Pure scorer and not afraid to get into dirty spots to get goals. Rodin is much the same, plus both being very good skaters! I think it's the opposite but then your only truth there kicks in... Twins gone and another huge shot of salary cap kicks in and i hope we get 2 bigger faster tougher goal scoring players take over on top line making it lethal is all i want. We won't suck though... quote me on that for next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two drink minimum Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 23 hours ago, Jam126 said: Fans in TOR are going to come no matter how bad the team is. Fans in VAN have multiple options next door and don't stick with the team if they are bad. This team is bad either way so whats the diff? Either admit you're bad or lie and try to sell some tickets. They decided to lie and carry on with the charade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icycold Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 On 11/12/2016 at 1:09 PM, Stelar said: No no, it's not a rebuild until Kenny Powers hears those words spoken to him directly. A certified letter addressed to him would also suffice... Now THAT was funny! Thanks! Ok so this team won't suck but it will go through the normal growing pains but with 13 Mil (ish) cap space to spend on next season and 14 Mil the year after will be nice injections of pain killers to soothe said growing pains... Looking forward to this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam126 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 1 hour ago, two drink minimum said: This team is bad either way so whats the diff? Either admit you're bad or lie and try to sell some tickets. They decided to lie and carry on with the charade It's a business, you do what you have to do to sell tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 9 hours ago, LaBamba said: I don't believe in that whole winning in a heathy environment BS. There is absolutely no substance to that theory. The then young players on LA, Chi, Pitt, Ana, TB, Wash and the list goes on played on teams that sucked really hard. They became champions. A lot of champions will credit losing and hitting rock bottom to their success. Every second Cubs player brought it up in their post game 7 interviews. I will even argue that losing teaches you more about how to win then winning all the time. I know that sounds crazy but I honestly believe it's true. You learn more about your game in a loss. Even in real life, humans are always trying to correct themselves. Bottom line is there is no environment proven to make a player successful. It's up to the players. Sink-er-swim. You remember the names of the young teams that manage to keep their heads above water, ultimately becoming strong through the multi-yr process. I bet SOME of this is assisted by a league that seems to badly want KEY US MARKETS thriving(often on our Cdn proceeds, rev-sharing dime, they get resuscitated..but I digress). It's harder to remember details of the teams that sunk. They repeat mistakes/lessons that are wise for clever GM's to take note of. Cap(of the last decade) has added another variable/element, for another layer's analysis. You could probably apply this % principle to the ratio of restaurants that survive a decade, or the number of blokes that get lots of tail, by nimbly strumming a geetar. Whole world's sink or swim, & almost every deck of cards gets marked, if success delivers pleasure/fortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomniac604 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 We have only 4 players in their late 30s. Burr + Miller's contracts are up, and will likely not return. We have Boeser, Juolevi and Demko waiting in the wings. Right now the GMs smell blood in the water and are circling, hoping to pry away one of our prospects. A big fat HELL NAH. Our team is young enough, and will be even younger next season. The LAST thing we need is to rebuild for 3-4 years so our current young guys are old AF, don't know how to win and are about to become UFAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 We are all writing this club off before the 20 game mark. Not wise. We are watching a team that is struggling but is also showing signs of hope. It is getting better game by game defensively and is slowly showing a glimmer of hope on the offensive front. Tryamkin and Stecher are creating solid depth on the back end. One adds offensive flare and the other brings a lot to the table. Tryamkin could become one of those guys who plays 25 to 30 minutes a night. Rodin has not hit the ice and Virtanen is young and is a work in progress. If they get through to Virtanen and Rodin has nhl talent then we could see a team taking shape as the year goes along. Next year we will add Boeser and possibly Juolevi. I am not suggesting playoffs so maybe a good pick also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 6 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said: I bet SOME of this is assisted by a league that seems to badly want KEY US MARKETS thriving(often on our Cdn proceeds, rev-sharing dime, they get resuscitated..but I digress). I like you but not this. This is garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 On 11/13/2016 at 0:29 AM, Baggins said: How many times does Benning have to say "REBUILD on the fly" before fans notice the word REBUILD in there? It's the "on the fly" part that's the problem. It's a half-assed rebuild that will probably take twice as long than if it was done with full commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 On 11/12/2016 at 8:25 AM, Kenny Powers said: I have the patience and interest to watch young players develop (and not win), and will continue to buy tickets and merchandise as we develop our next core. WHAT!? Not with you man. Winning is everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Riviera82 said: It's the "on the fly" part that's the problem. It's a half-assed rebuild that will probably take twice as long than if it was done with full commitment. Both Chicago and Pittsburgh sucked for five years before getting their 2 big stars. Edmonton and Toronto have sucked for a decade. Tell me they had quick turnarounds. There are no shortcuts. I'll also point out 7 of last seasons top 10 point producers were not top 3 picks. How has it worked for Columbus, Arizona, Buffalo, and Winnipeg/Atlanta? Any quick fixes there? They've cleaned house more than a few times. LA, Boston and Detroit didn't tank for their cups. Maybe there's more than one way. Maybe there's no way that comes with any guarantees. Maybe it actually has more to do with good management and patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two drink minimum Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 21 hours ago, Jam126 said: It's a business, you do what you have to do to sell tickets. BS. You do what you have to make your team strong on the ice. If you have a sell out streak its probably because you have a contending team on the ice. Not by lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 10 hours ago, Baggins said: Both Chicago and Pittsburgh sucked for five years before getting their 2 big stars. Edmonton and Toronto have sucked for a decade. Tell me they had quick turnarounds. There are no shortcuts. I'll also point out 7 of last seasons top 10 point producers were not top 3 picks. How has it worked for Columbus, Arizona, Buffalo, and Winnipeg/Atlanta? Any quick fixes there? They've cleaned house more than a few times. LA, Boston and Detroit didn't tank for their cups. Maybe there's more than one way. Maybe there's no way that comes with any guarantees. Maybe it actually has more to do with good management and patience. You make a few decent points but I'm not talking about a quick turnaround, shortcuts, or quick fixes. If anything that's what the Canucks management/ownership are trying to do. Whoever is actually running this team seems more interested in just slapping together a collection of B-level prospects and overpriced veterans in an attempt to just make the playoffs year after year, regardless if that team is nothing more than a 1 round knockout. I'd like to see them take a different approach. Have patience of their own, trade in as much dead weight as they can for whatever futures they can get, stay at the bottom for a while, hopefully draft a star or two eventually and build from the ground up. There are already a few good complimentary pieces in place and a couple more on the way so that area is covered, but this team is going nowhere near being a cup contender if they carry on with this dual focus of being "competitive" and rebuilding. They dont have the talent to be competitive in any meaningful way and the rebuild isn't being seen all the way through. The focus (in my opinion) should be shifted in one direction which is the future, because 'the now' looks like the beginning of a cycle of perpetual mediocrity, bleak and directionless with little hope and with no end in sight. That is unless you enjoy an ordinary bubble team with virtually no chance of winning a cup. I'd like to see a cup contender again in Vancouver some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 21 hours ago, apollo said: WHAT!? Not with you man. Winning is everything. Apollo - I'm a big fan of your posts and dig your positivity in general. I'm not suggesting we try to lose, just want owners to know that I can tolerate it IF it's an outcome of focusing on the future. I want a cup more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 So Canucks Army claiming today that Benning turned down an offer of San Jose's 2015 9th overall pick for Ryan Miller. And they're not presenting it as a rumour but as fact: Perhaps most egregiously, they were also offered the 9th overall pick at the 2015 draft for Ryan Miller, which they turned down in favour of trading Eddie Lack. http://canucksarmy.com/2016/11/16/6-ways-the-canucks-have-whiffed-on-their-attempt-to-rebuild-on-the-fly When questioned in the comments section on the source for this information, the response was as follows: JD Burke has a source that confirmed this. He mentioned it on the CA podcast. I asked him for permission to reiterate that assertion and he said yes. Hard to know how strong the source is but shocking stuff if true. And while I know many people on here consider CA "the enemy" (and I have questioned their editorial slant myself numerous times), it's worth noting they are fairly well connected, have several former writers now working on NHL staffs around the league, and when they've really stuck to their guns on a scoop, they've actually tended to be proven right. The recent example of CA sources holding up being when JD Burke announced the Carcone signing, based on an inside source, and then nothing happened. People mocked him mercilessly but he repeatedly said his source was good and that the signing would happen. Eventually the announcement came, confirming that Burke was correct and his source was good. I only bring that up because this Miller "scoop" is coming from JD Burke again and is based on another source that he's sticking with even though no one else in the media has reported the information. The CA writer today (Jackson McDonald) asked Burke's permission to report the information as fact and not merely rumour or speculation. And Burke agreed to that request. Which certainly makes a person wonder if the information might actually be accurate on this story. And if that's the case, all I can say right now is wow. We turned down a Cory Schneider level return for Ryan Miller? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I just can't believe that's true. Jones at the top of SJ's list for targeted goalies, and as much as LA wouldn't want to trade with a rival, 9th overall would have been pretty enticing. For us to go with a far less return in moving Lack (a 3rd and a 7th) just for the extra chance Miller gives during a re-tool would be terrible if offered. That would have been one pick back of Werenski (not sure if it would have been offered after Werenski was gone, or earlier) where we could have moved up potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 19 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: So Canucks Army claiming today that Benning turned down an offer of San Jose's 2015 9th overall pick for Ryan Miller. I... I... Um... I try to give management the benefit of the doubt on most occasions. But if this is true, not even will management's strongest supporter be able to get behind this decision. That is a flagrant mismanagement of assets as there has ever been if true. IF true. I can't believe there is any merit to this rumour because it's so egregious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jovocop55 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 this team just doesnt want to go full rebuild... not sure what they are doing.. just look at last 2 seasons, they started winning games at the end of the season for nothing.. and lose out on mcdavid/eichel and matthews.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I have been a member of team tank since the trade deadline before the loss to the Flames in the playoffs. Even then I could see this team was going nowhere but in a downward spiral. The management had chances then to trade fringe players for picks but didn't bother because they thought they could do some damage in the playoffs. Ha! What a freaking joke. Fast forward and again chances to offload players at the trade deadline and yet again failed to do so. Myself and a few others on team tank were getting stick from posters saying we weren't true fans when we were saying it was best to lose that year to get a top three pick. What was it I heard 'the real fans' say. Oh yes those late season wins would be good for the team in the long run. Nope, it blew this teams chances of speeding up a rebuild by missing out on a player like Laine or even a better chance of getting Matthews. Now this team is in a world of hurt, At least four years maybe more, we'll get to see if those 'real fans' stick around through all the crap you are witnessing on the ice. It's only gonna get worse so prepare yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 On 15 November 2016 at 6:26 AM, icycold said: Now THAT was funny! Thanks! Ok so this team won't suck but it will go through the normal growing pains but with 13 Mil (ish) cap space to spend on next season and 14 Mil the year after will be nice injections of pain killers to soothe said growing pains... Looking forward to this! Yea I look forward to another 6mil a season spent on another Loui Eriksson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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