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10 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

 

It's already started. Who else is good enough to get in the team? Do people like you understand what a rebuild is?

 

PS I doubt you really do "have patience and interest to watch young players develop (sub top 5 draft picks) and not win. You won't be watching Oilers type elite or Buffalo or Panthers.

And if you do the chances are you will be pretty lonely in Rogers.

 

This post looks like it was made before the season started. Cause you act like we are watching a great on ice product. 

 

Do we know what a RE-build looks like? 

 

Lets see. 

 

Signing a 6x6 30 year old....

 

Decimating Utica's depth to hahaha WIN NOW!! aaaaand later HAHA.  

 

Signing Jack Skille instead of graduating 1 of our 8 home grown Utica Comets that could do the exact same job as that washed up plug. 

 

Going into a pivotal draft at 3rd last with less picks than most of the playoff teams.

 

Never, ever, ever, ever getting anything in return for a UFA, ever never, ever. 

 

Never cashing in decling assets  for futures, ever, ever. Just wait till their contract shrivels up and dies so the can walk away free. 

 

Even after all of this. Management flat out point blank says on multiple occasions. 

 

"Not rebuilding"

"Not interested in rebuilding" 

"this isn't a try/development leaugue it's a get it done league." 

"This isn't about developing players it's about winning now."

 

Rebuilding is: priority #1 development. How good do you think our blue chip prospect Demko feels about the team Jim put in front of him. Is that putting his development first? 

 

Rebuilding is: Making moves to improve the team 5 years down the road. LE is a move that hurts us 5 years down the road. Trading away draft picks hurts us 5 years down the road. Playing Edler and Tanev on a bottom feeder team as their value diminishes instead of cashing them in for futures hurts us 5 years down the road.  

 

To be completely honest I'm totally ok with the team we have right now. I can understand the challenges Gillis left us with and I understand that a lot of proven players aren't performing to their expectations.

 

What really pisses me off is how management tells us that winning now is our #1 priority. Telling me as a fan that I can't stand watching a team that loses on purpose. Excuse me?! What the hell am I watching right now?! Miracle on ice? 

 

Another thing that really gets me going is how people can smugly point their noises in the air and talk down to anyone who questions this amazing f)$& show unraveling before our eyes. Not only that they'll say something like 

 

Pfffffffft we ARE rebuilding. 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Jam126 said:

What else can they say? This market is not tolerant of rebuilds. Plus, playoffs were a realistic goal. But because of our scorers being dry (especially Eriksson), we aren't doing good. At least our D and goal-tending have been doing well.

Doesn't seem to be much tolerance for what is going on right now either but I get what you're saying.

 

what a mess.

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39 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

 

Yes but that's not this managements fault OR the coach's.

 

What are you Obama blaming George Bush?! 

 

We are a cap team at the bottom of the standings with the worst farm team in the league. 

 

Not bennings fault. 

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We finished 3rd worst last season.  We had a decent chance at Laine or Matthews.  Rebuilds take some luck.  JB and TL say that they have full autonomy with hockey decisions and I have no reason to think otherwise.  All the owner does is spend to the cap every season and give his team and management everything they need.  I'm sick of the comments that suggest otherwise with zero proof of owner tampering.  Also this team is already in a rebuild.  How it is being rebuilt is the main talking point, not whether or not we are rebuilding.  Pay attention to the turnover of players since JB started.  

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3 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

 Your use of "single focus" implies failure

 

 I think you mean basically...

 

Carry-on. make assumptions and have a conversation by yourself. Or you can read through the thread and find a post where I clarified what a rebuild it would look like for me.

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16 minutes ago, Jam126 said:

What else can they say? This market is not tolerant of rebuilds. Plus, playoffs were a realistic goal. But because of our scorers being dry (especially Eriksson), we aren't doing good. At least our D and goal-tending have been doing well.

 

Again, how much worse can it be?! Is this really so much better than watching a rebuild? Seriously.

Maybe if Jim tries to Rebuild we will actually make the playoffs. He is a master of saying something and having the complete opposite results. 

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6 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

 

Again, how much worse can it be?! Is this really so much better than watching a rebuild? Seriously.

Maybe if Jim tries to Rebuild we will actually make the playoffs. He is a master of saying something and having the complete opposite results. 

How would you feel watching 82 games of your team intentionally trying to lose?

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2 minutes ago, Jam126 said:

How would you feel watching 82 games of your team intentionally trying to lose?

 

Dude.  What's the difference really honestly from The on ice product right now?

 

its garbage.  And their are plenty of passengers atm.

 

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and if you lived in Utica you'd be gouging your eyes out too.

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1 minute ago, Jam126 said:

How would you feel watching 82 games of your team intentionally trying to lose?

 

About the same as I do now. 

 

Where does this intentionally trying to lose come from? It's like you guys think WD would be given orders from the GM to throw games.

 

During a rebuild You are going to see a lot of young players going hard and making a pile of mistakes. I'll take that over a stale old core surrounded by average organizational cast offs playing a defence first structured system while losing 10 of 11 games and scoring 15 goals in that stretch any day of the week. 

 

Is not signing the 2nd biggest UFA intentionally losing? Like what is intentionally losing? Cause maybe we are doing that now. 

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5 minutes ago, riffraff said:

 

Dude.  What's the difference really honestly from The on ice product right now?

 

its garbage.  And their are plenty of passengers atm.

 

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and if you lived in Utica you'd be gouging your eyes out too.

Utica's problem is different from our problem. They have a ton of new players and are still trying to gel. Some players are only going to be there for one year. And the only prospects I'm paying attention to down there are Virt and Demko. This team can't score, and it's most likely going to be addressed in the coming years. But I understand why people get frustrated that they are told that this is a playoff team.

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1 minute ago, LaBamba said:

 

About the same as I do now. 

 

Where does this intentionally trying to lose come from? It's like you guys think WD would be given orders from the GM to throw games.

 

During a rebuild You are going to see a lot of young players going hard and making a pile of mistakes. I'll take that over a stale old core surrounded by average organizational cast offs playing a defence first structured system while losing 10 of 11 games and scoring 15 goals in that stretch any day of the week. 

 

Is not signing the 2nd biggest UFA intentionally losing? Like what is intentionally losing? Cause maybe we are doing that now. 

Did you not read almost everyone's perception of a rebuild? The "cast-offs" we got from other teams are doing better or at least on par with what we gave them. And we don't have as many youth as other teams to do that kind of strategy. The old core will be gone soon, and the new one will come. Burrows is coming off the books this summer, the Twins are coming off the books in 2018 and Miller will be gone this summer too. It's not like we are riding these guys for 5 more years. The only one we have is Eriksson.

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7 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

 

This post looks like it was made before the season started. Cause you act like we are watching a great on ice product. 

 

Do we know what a RE-build looks like? 

 

Lets see. 

 

Signing a 6x6 30 year old....

Who has a habit of scoring of scoring 40+ points / season.

 

Decimating Utica's depth to hahaha WIN NOW!! aaaaand later HAHA.  

That is what every team in the League does. Where else do we get players We have taken 2, 3 if you count Biega, hardly decimating. 

 

Signing Jack Skille instead of graduating 1 of our 8 home grown Utica Comets that could do the exact same job as that washed up plug. 

I would have rather signed Ruutu but irrespective we have tried most of the home grown forwards and they are just not good enough and may never be good enough. 

 

Going into a pivotal draft at 3rd last with less picks than most of the playoff teams.

That was to replace a core of 22-26 year old players who just didn't exist due to previous management incompetence.

 

Never, ever, ever, ever getting anything in return for a UFA, ever never, ever. 

Who are you talking about, be specific

 

Never cashing in decling assets  for futures, ever, ever. Just wait till their contract shrivels up and dies so the can walk away free. 

It was not for lack of trying. You don't understand teams know the position we are in and so they just sit us out because we will not "give" these players away. JB explained all that.

 

Even after all of this. Management flat out point blank says on multiple occasions. 

 

"Not rebuilding" See below

"Not interested in rebuilding" - that is a play on semantics when you see what is being forced on us - do you need a picture drawn, notated and signed to see what is obvious. Why should they label it. They don't owe anyone a label.

"this isn't a try/development leaugue it's a get it done league."  - and it is.

"This isn't about developing players it's about winning now." - and it is. Do you watch the games?

 

Rebuilding is: priority #1 development. How good do you think our blue chip prospect Demko feels about the team Jim put in front of him. Is that putting his development first? 

He is developing in Utica under "Maestro" Green. That should be good enough for anyone, even you.

 

Rebuilding is: Making moves to improve the team 5 years down the road. LE is a move that hurts us 5 years down the road. Trading away draft picks hurts us 5 years down the road. Playing Edler and Tanev on a bottom feeder team as their value diminishes instead of cashing them in for futures hurts us 5 years down the road.  

 

Once more you prove you don't understand what is going on. Players like Ericsson are to help prospects develop and they will once we break our bogey on scoring. The same goes for Edler and Tanev - do you think Vancouver could stand what happened in Edmonton? They wouldn't but that is what you are suggesting. 

 

To be completely honest I'm totally ok with the team we have right now. I can understand the challenges Gillis left us with and I understand that a lot of proven players aren't performing to their expectations.

So why meander into the territory of failure by design and Oiler wilderness territory?

 

What really pisses me off is how management tells us that winning now is our #1 priority. Telling me as a fan that I can't stand watching a team that loses on purpose. Excuse me?! What the hell am I watching right now?! Miracle on ice? 

 

Calm down. You really need to analyse and rationalise what is happening and why. We are only 15 games into an 82 game season and few teams are actually pulling away from us - the 7th team in the league is only 7 points better off and we are missing Hansen and Tanev, while going through a scoring drought.

 

Another thing that really gets me going is how people can smugly point their noises in the air and talk down to anyone who questions this amazing f)$& show unraveling before our eyes. Not only that they'll say something like 

 

Because firstly whether by design or not we ARE rebuilding - we have to, we have no alternative. The problem is we are still waiting on a lot of JBs draft picks coming through and we can't/shouldn't rush them. You appear to be panicking, try to calm down and enjoy the good things. Things like Tryamkin, Hansen, Stecher, Bo etc. Your post above looks like you have abandoned them in the huff just because things are not happening as quickly as they do on your Playstation game.

 

Pfffffffft we ARE rebuilding. 

 

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

 

What are you Obama blaming George Bush?! 

 

We are a cap team at the bottom of the standings with the worst farm team in the league. 

 

Not bennings fault. 

 

Look bud, just get into the lifeboat and row like f---k.

Maybe you will be picked up by the good ship Maple Leaf. You don't have what it takes to support a team that is rebuilding.

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22 minutes ago, riffraff said:

 

Dude.  What's the difference really honestly from The on ice product right now?

 

its garbage.  And their are plenty of passengers atm.

 

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and if you lived in Utica you'd be gouging your eyes out too.

 

Why do you blatantly misrepresent the season so far. 

 

I have watched the whole of every game so far. (have you? It doesn't sound like it) I have also watched the whole of another 20 league games. The product is not garbage that is just your exaggeration.

What is the point of exaggerating it doesn't change reality - the reality that if we were scoring at any reasonable rate given the players on this team we would be mid table up and half the fans on here would be pleased with the product.

 

So stop trying to infect the rest of us with your soured version of reality. Go read the posts from the first 4 games.

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13 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

 

 

Everything you said was nothing more than self soothing rhetoric. It's garbage. I base my opinion on results, not hope, so you can hope your face off all you want but do not talk to me like I'm an idiot because I'm not part of your sheep herd. 

 

PS the last video game thing I owned was a PlayStation 1 but nice try. 

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11 minutes ago, alfstonker said:

 

Look bud, just get into the lifeboat and row like f---k.

Maybe you will be picked up by the good ship Maple Leaf. You don't have what it takes to support a team that is rebuilding.

 

What? What? What?

 

i don't have the patience? 

 

I would have no problem doing a strip down and wait 8 years to be competitive. You are completely against that, who is lacking patience? 

 

We are a joke. If we go out and invest in winning now we better win now. Because if we aren't manufacturing picks and assets and we aren't winning we are doing absolutely nothing. Don't expect Oli Juolevi and who ever we get in this historically weak draft to turn this around either. 

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