Warhippy Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 24 minutes ago, johngould21 said: ...and after much canvassing in Princeton to reopen the Hospital as well. That had disaster written all over it, a copper mine, a sawmill, and a major highway going through the valley, what were they thinking when they basically shut it down? "Cost savings" That initial LNG money had to come from somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 1 minute ago, johngould21 said: The specialists are in Penticton General, and yes many of the MD's are foreign trained, as well as newly trained MD's from Canada. The fact that any hospital is closed is wrong in cases of emergency, and I hate to say what if?, but to close a hospital in a resource town is just plain, not thought out very well. The model has to change. We're really stuck in a 1950s model of care. You could staff much smaller triage centres that are staffed with nurse practitioners that get people to larger centers. Again its a huge fight over union control + how we structure our health authorities. I worked on a project with some folks from the BCMA a couple of years ago and my god I've never seen so much resistance to changing to good ideas. Its really something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 24 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Sadly its getting harder and harder to staff smaller hospitals. You literally can't hire some positions in, in some towns. Lets hear Hippy blame Clark for that too. Sorry. Who us in charge of health in BC again? And those ever increasing health care premiums which do not go back in to health care but instead to general revenue? Hmmm I wonder who is at fault for hospital closures....hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: "Cost savings" That initial LNG money had to come from somewhere Shall we call her gang, Penny wise, pound foolish? Did they not re-open the school in Summerland too? Putting parents, kids, school boards in limbo, and then say, "never mind". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Just now, Warhippy said: Sorry. Who us in charge of health in BC again? And those ever increasing health care premiums which do not go back in to health care but instead to general revenue? Hmmm I wonder who is at fault for hospital closures....hmmmm So you blame Clark for a national issue of finding and retaining specialists in more rural areas? You really need to get out of Pentiction once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 1 minute ago, S'all Good Man said: The model has to change. We're really stuck in a 1950s model of care. You could staff much smaller triage centres that are staffed with nurse practitioners that get people to larger centers. Again its a huge fight over union control + how we structure our health authorities. I worked on a project with some folks from the BCMA a couple of years ago and my god I've never seen so much resistance to changing to good ideas. Its really something. Hmmmm who created those middle management health authorities and then increased them. Hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 1 minute ago, S'all Good Man said: The model has to change. We're really stuck in a 1950s model of care. You could staff much smaller triage centres that are staffed with nurse practitioners that get people to larger centers. Again its a huge fight over union control + how we structure our health authorities. I worked on a project with some folks from the BCMA a couple of years ago and my god I've never seen so much resistance to changing to good ideas. Its really something. That's a one hour plus trip to the nearest "larger center". Would you be happy to know that, if you, heaven forbid, were in a car accident on the Hope Princeton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 1 minute ago, S'all Good Man said: So you blame Clark for a national issue of finding and retaining specialists in more rural areas? You really need to get out of Pentiction once in a while. So you're completely ignoring the question. WHO is in charge of this provinces health care isdues and ever increasing health care premiums Answer it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, johngould21 said: Shall we call her gang, Penny wise, pound foolish? Did they not re-open the school in Summerland too? Putting parents, kids, school boards in limbo, and then say, "never mind". It cost almost $300,000 to figure out the staffing issues in trout creek and Penticton after they said those schools were closing then nah we're keeping them open But they STILL might close in the next 2 years due to cutbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Just now, Warhippy said: Hmmmm who created those middle management health authorities and then increased them. Hmmm Oh hip. The Liberals made things more efficient by reducing from over 50 health authorities to 6. It should be 1. Our current staffing model is archaic. Its based entirely on staffing beds in institutions. Do you really believe that the dippers are capable of making changes to health care? Saint Douglas did it all right? He actually favoured a mix of private and public, but who's counting eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: So you're completely ignoring the question. WHO is in charge of this provinces health care isdues and ever increasing health care premiums Answer it The ghost of Tommy Douglas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, johngould21 said: That's a one hour plus trip to the nearest "larger center". Would you be happy to know that, if you, heaven forbid, were in a car accident on the Hope Princeton? You're frothing so much you're missing the point. It doesn't have to be that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 OK hip, now that we've run the inevitable course of education and health battles, maybe now you'll explain how the dippers intend to pay for all the funding increases you are demanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Just now, S'all Good Man said: The ghost of Tommy Douglas. That's all I needed to hear You're not here to debate. You're a worthless troll only here to stir the pot. You know who is at fault yet will still ignore that truth to deflect the blame somewhere else. In this case the father of Canada's health care system. How pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: That's all I needed to hear You're not here to debate. You're a worthless troll only here to stir the pot. You know who is at fault yet will still ignore that truth to deflect the blame somewhere else. In this case the father of Canada's health care system. How pathetic. And you are? You're so full of blind hate for Clark, you're blaming them for issues that plague the entire country. Get a grip. Oh btw, it was the Liberals that actually brought in the federal legislation. And you still can't provide the NDP economic plan. You're the troll here buddy. Holier-than-thou dipper through and through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Just now, S'all Good Man said: OK hip, now that we've run the inevitable course of education and health battles, maybe now you'll explain how the dippers intend to pay for all the funding increases you are demanding? No. Although much money could come from their wasted dollars in icbc management. Ferry management. Trans link. If they hadn't spent a billion on a convention center. 560 million on a new roof for bc place. Stayed strong on their LNG tax demands. Not spent over 100 million on their "prosperity fund" Or the millions spent fighting vital services in courts over the years. Not to mention the wasted time and endless cost overruns on seismic upgrades which are nowhere near complete a decade later. Maybe they could have not sold of vital crown corps to balance the books in lean years. Or used icbc as a piggy bank. Oh or maybe use those increasing health care premiums for health care instead of general revenue The money is there. Those idiots you keep defending just have no idea how to spend it. Common sense things anyone with common sense would see. But then...you don't see them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: OK hip, now that we've run the inevitable course of education and health battles, maybe now you'll explain how the dippers intend to pay for all the funding increases you are demanding? I thought you knew, LNG $$$$$$$$. lol! That ship has sailed, like the rest of her dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Just now, Warhippy said: No. Although much money could come from their wasted dollars in icbc management. Ferry management. Trans link. If they hadn't spent a billion on a convention center. 560 million on a new roof for bc place. Stayed strong on their LNG tax demands. Not spent over 100 million on their "prosperity fund" Or the millions spent fighting vital services in courts over the years. Not to mention the wasted time and endless cost overruns on seismic upgrades which are nowhere near complete a decade later. Maybe they could have not sold of vital crown corps to balance the books in lean years. Or used icbc as a piggy bank. Oh or maybe use those increasing health care premiums for health care instead of general revenue The money is there. Those idiots you keep defending just have no idea how to spend it. Common sense things anyone with common sense would see. But then...you don't see them Yes, lets not invest in things that make money or help people get to work! Time to stop dip, you're too deep in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 9 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: You're frothing so much you're missing the point. It doesn't have to be that way. Excuse me, but that's a fact my friend! That's how it IS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 1 minute ago, S'all Good Man said: Yes, lets not invest in things that make money or help people get to work! Time to stop dip, you're too deep in. I'm done here. I post the EXACT answers you're asking for amd you ignore them. Goodbye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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