ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I couldn't believe that I saw this today, what an embarrassing joke, which pretty much sums up this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloku Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Cdc we need to collectively slap the dog s--t outta this whole management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloku Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 So far I really am starting to like GMMG more than Lindenning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms stanley Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 7 hours ago, spook007 said: Am I the only one here that's actually happy to see Virtanen getting sent down to Utica? This entire thread is turning into another Willie D thread/ management suck thread.... Not one single person seem to know what is really going on, yet suggestions are plenty fold. I hope he gets to play the rest of the season in Utica, out of the limelight... think HE needs this far more than anything or anyone else. Agreed. Had he been old enough to play there last year they wouldn't have hesitated to have him there. Down there he will get more ice time, a different coach, discipline, maturity and be out of the very bright spotlight here in Vancouver. Despite his size he's still a kid and needs a chance to grow into the good hockey player I know he will become under the right circumstances. This idea of hurrying them along is ruining our prospects. Look how Detroit always took the time to slowly bring up their guys as an example. We aren't winning a Stanley Cup this year or next so why rush them so needlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I guess he'll be back in about 2 games...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, Gloku said: So far I really am starting to like GMMG more than Lindenning Ok that's just crazy talk Gillis not starting the dismantle when he should have is a major reason we are in this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloku Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 minute ago, wallstreetamigo said: Ok that's just crazy talk I wasn't thinking when I typed it out. Then i remembered how he butchered the Luongo and Schneider deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliewud Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Ok that's just crazy talk Gillis not starting the dismantle when he should have is a major reason we are in this mess. it is well known Gillis wanted to rebuild but the owners refused, hence the tortorella hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 56 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: agree, two guys who put on too much weight over the summer, Virtanen and Hutton (over 20 lbs), are both struggling not a fan of the attempt to pack on weight like that. the body has a natural, optimal size imo. these young guys will grow stronger over time, but adding too much weight won't necessarily accomplish that and imo it has as much of an adverse effect as anything. 10-20 lbs can significantly effect your quickness, stamina, speed/explosiveness. McCann is another player whose elusiveness is key, but with 20lbs added without a great deal more strength at the core of it, not necessarily a great idea. I look at Hutton and he has lost a slight edge of elusiveness. Part of that might be mental - I don't see quite as much misdirection from him when he's carrying the puck - last year he was very effective at looking off a pass, but his skating seemed a bit quicker laterally. It could also simply be the sophomore slump combined with the effects of a long, grinding season and attempting to come back, rinse and repeat. But the weight thing I tend to agree with people that don't overemphasize it - I think size should come more naturally and in due course - strength does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, oldnews said: not a fan of the attempt to pack on weight like that. the body has a natural, optimal size imo. these young guys will grow stronger over time, but adding too much weight won't necessarily accomplish that and imo it has as much of an adverse effect as anything. 10-20 lbs can significantly effect your quickness, stamina, speed/explosiveness. McCann is another player whose elusiveness is key, but with 20lbs added without a great deal more strength at the core of it, not necessarily a great idea. I look at Hutton and he has lost a slight edge of elusiveness. Part of that might be mental - I don't see quite as much misdirection from him when he's carrying the puck - last year he was very effective at looking off a pass, but his skating seemed a bit quicker laterally. It could also simply be the sophomore slump combined with the effects of a long, grinding season and attempting to come back, rinse and repeat. But the weight thing I tend to agree with people that don't overemphasize it - I think size should come more naturally and in due course - strength does. There is a tendency these days to assume bigger is better. I suspect some of these guys would be better off taking power skating from expert coaching than more and more gym time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 45 minutes ago, Quoted said: There is a tendency these days to assume bigger is better. I suspect some of these guys would be better off taking power skating from expert coaching than more and more gym time. I recommend practicing shots at empty nets...... yes you. Hank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 hour ago, appleboy said: And Tryamkin works with the same people and looks great after how long? It's not the trainers. This city is full of a bunch of shy has fallen winners. Our team sucks, get used to it because it must suck for a while yet. Two full seasons would be nice. Sorry Bo! But hang in there because it will get better. I wonder how much they let the players direct off season training goals. I'm thinking of Linden Vey. Here's a guy who is having difficulty finding his optimal weight. When he was with the Kings, he was about 200 lbs. He wanted to get faster when he joined the Canucks and he showed up to his first camp at 189. What made him successful in Junior and the AHL was his game down low but at 189 in the NHL, he was too light to be effective playing that game. His second year with the Canucks, he reported at 200. On the Flames roster, he's listed at 189 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amplified0ne Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Terrible. Just Terrible. Their should have been a plan in place for Jake from the start, but this shows there is disconnect likely between Benning, Linden, Desjardins and maybe ownership as well. At worst the decision should have been made to send Jake down to Utica prior to the road trip. Not this down, back up and down again and miss games inbetween whether that be at the NHL or AHL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikita Tryamkin Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 It's pretty noticeable when he plays, he lacks explosiveness when he skates, and when he hits he doesn't have the same velocity, the way horvat gained weight was perfect, virtanen spent too much time gaining weight but not enough time trying to get strength and power to keep or if not improve athleticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 hour ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: I guess he'll be back in about 2 games...... 6 weeks barring injuries is my guess. 2 week min I think. we might see lebate first if a bottom 6 guy drops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Oliewud said: it is well known Gillis wanted to rebuild but the owners refused, hence the tortorella hire. I don't know that it's really widely known although it is possible. But I don't think Gillis wanted to rebuild as in get rid of most of the core players. I think he wanted to do what Benning is trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Gloku said: So far I really am starting to like GMMG more than Lindenning I always liked Gillis. He got screwed by Bettman and the CBA He wanted to rebuild and got canned for it. He didn't want Torts. The only thing Benning is better at then Gillis is drafting. Gillis couldn't draft his way out of a wet paper bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Stoch Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Hey you can come play with us again LOL JK get out of here kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I expect a good second half of the season from Jake, the kid is only twenty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Quoted said: There is a tendency these days to assume bigger is better. I suspect some of these guys would be better off taking power skating from expert coaching than more and more gym time. Bigger, 100% muscle anyway, should never be an issue. Its also well documented that muscle mass increases metabolism. So should not cause someone "to be tired" because they put on weight. Rest is one key component. David Booth used to come to practices jacked from the weight room. Then his distressed muscles often tore or failed. I think he pulled his groin in training camp three of 4 years here? Target training is clearly an if not the key issue. Weight training rarely duplicates the full range of motion. The various stresses on individual muscles and the explosive variations and endurance levels as they occur in a hockey game. So training has, to be dynamic, not linear in its motions. And in particular duplicate demanding higher levels of aerobic energy. The explosive energy, and agility, for similar or longer periods of time than in an average hockey shift. The old football practices pushing the sled, or bag skating pulling a weight is actually extremely good. Agility drills, the medicine ball. Power bicycling up varying hills, stairs. And yes, power skating! The weight program itself should, IMO, be just a form of support work, ensuring key muscles get work in a safe environment. So you have requisite strength for your real training. The problem is guys get bigger weight training. Without asking their bodies to produce the demands they will need to in a hockey game. Then the "weight" works against them. It's also not a secret it takes more energy, to move a heavier mass. The body simply strips the protein from muscles to try and produce the energy suddenly asked of it. But if the muscle is gained in a good program constantly demanding these energy levels? With diet to support the energy required? Just as importantly diet to support the recuperation period after (which develops muscle)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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