mrreindeer Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 13 hours ago, firestorm238 said: ... What's the big deal? They decided to send him down on the weekend, want him to stay down but he didn't have all of his "stuff" with him. He went back to Vancouver, got his "stuff", got paid an extra couple of days at his NHL rate... Not really sure why this is viewed as a negative? Its not so much its a big deal to send him down, he needs to play in Uttica for a while. The problem is that the people that are running this team don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. They say he's going down for 2 games and coming back. Then he comes back, doesn't play a game and they send him back down using some lame excuse he had to get his stuff. It's obvious nobody knows what to do with him so how is he supposed to know what they want. This team is already a laughing stock and moves like this just keep making it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrreindeer Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 9 hours ago, alfstonker said: "he had to get his kit " This is a hockey site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 You don't need to recall a player to "get his stuff". Especially if it means that he will go a full week without playing a game when the thing he needs most for development is ice time. I'm pretty sure he can get his "stuff" couriered. What this looks like is that Benning and WD are on completely different pages. Benning wants JV to play on the team so he makes the roster decision to have him up with the big club. However WD owns the lineup decisions and decides who to dress and who to scratch and who gets very limited ice time. Benning is an old school hockey guy so he won't interfere with lineup decisions because that role belongs to the coach. Benning realizes the biggest loser in all of this is JV whose development is greatly hampered by being caught in this power struggle. Benning then decides to do what's best for JV and the future and finally sends him to Utica for proper development as he is not getting developed under WD. I think WD is on ultra thin ice and I don't see this team turning it around anytime soon. WD is gone by Christmas. If JV works his butt off in Utica under Green and looks good, expect both Green and JV to join the big club in the new year. Green developed Baerstchi and I think Benning is hoping he does the same with JV and will ultimately promote him as "interim" coach to finish out the season and give him a trial NHL coaching gig before signing him on for more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 14 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said: I never said they haven't. I said that doesn't and shouldn't entitle any player to float or make the same mistakes over and over without acknowledging it themselves or having it acknowledged by the coach. They say they have their chances and need to bury them. Really Hank? While there are times I wish Henrik would shoot more, I think the Sedins have earned the right to do, what they do. They have shown before, they know how to create offence, and after all they are again number 1 and 2 on the points list, all be it not at their normal pace. Alternatively what would you do to the 2 best players ever to wear the jersey. Humiliate them, sit them in the press box, bearing in mind they still have 2 years on their contracts? Tear their letters of them? A fine example it would set for us.... For what ever reason Jake is not progressing, as they've hoped for, so now he is going to Utica. Brilliant... I hope this will give him a chance to develop away from the limelight of Vancouver and the expectations that follows. I don't see this as any sort of punishment, but an attempt to get him going in his development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 18 hours ago, Creepy Crawler said: Oh man... think of how frustrated Jake is right now. This is going hurt his game. ...or it will finally fire him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 4 hours ago, CanucksJay said: You don't need to recall a player to "get his stuff". Especially if it means that he will go a full week without playing a game when the thing he needs most for development is ice time. I'm pretty sure he can get his "stuff" couriered. What this looks like is that Benning and WD are on completely different pages. Benning wants JV to play on the team so he makes the roster decision to have him up with the big club. However WD owns the lineup decisions and decides who to dress and who to scratch and who gets very limited ice time. Benning is an old school hockey guy so he won't interfere with lineup decisions because that role belongs to the coach. Benning realizes the biggest loser in all of this is JV whose development is greatly hampered by being caught in this power struggle. Benning then decides to do what's best for JV and the future and finally sends him to Utica for proper development as he is not getting developed under WD. I think WD is on ultra thin ice and I don't see this team turning it around anytime soon. WD is gone by Christmas. If JV works his butt off in Utica under Green and looks good, expect both Green and JV to join the big club in the new year. Green developed Baerstchi and I think Benning is hoping he does the same with JV and will ultimately promote him as "interim" coach to finish out the season and give him a trial NHL coaching gig before signing him on for more years. Benning makes the roster moves, he is the one who sent him to Utica and back to get his stuff and back again. If him and Willie were not on the same page Willie would have been fired long ago. There is something strange going on inside the room with this kid and it's not all on Willie. What happens if the next coach come in and does the same thing with Virtanen you want him fired as well? Do you think guys like Babcock,Sutter,Quennville would do anything different with this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 35 minutes ago, ice orca said: Benning makes the roster moves, he is the one who sent him to Utica and back to get his stuff and back again. If him and Willie were not on the same page Willie would have been fired long ago. There is something strange going on inside the room with this kid and it's not all on Willie. What happens if the next coach come in and does the same thing with Virtanen you want him fired as well? Do you think guys like Babcock,Sutter,Quennville would do anything different with this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Coaches expect consistency from our younger players but the young players absolutely need that from the coaches. I'm glad JV can go work for and train with Coach Green in Utica. Regardless of the money (the kids only 20) and regardless of fan expectations and comparisons. He needs to be put in a position to challenge himself not be focused on being 'perfect' and without mistakes. Kid was in panic mode up here and couldn't get off the ice fast enough.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck_Fan_52 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 15 hours ago, Westcoasting said: Crawford didn't play in the 70's... In the context of the "747" nickname, you are correct. It was the 80s alternating between the Canucks and the Fredericton Express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Management and ownership obviously felt that the Canucks would be more competitive this season. I'm going out on a limb and speculating.......could the treatment of Virtanten be indicative of a shift in management's strategy this season from being competitive back to placing development as it's prime focus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 4 hours ago, spook007 said: While there are times I wish Henrik would shoot more, I think the Sedins have earned the right to do, what they do. They have shown before, they know how to create offence, and after all they are again number 1 and 2 on the points list, all be it not at their normal pace. Alternatively what would you do to the 2 best players ever to wear the jersey. Humiliate them, sit them in the press box, bearing in mind they still have 2 years on their contracts? Tear their letters of them? A fine example it would set for us.... For what ever reason Jake is not progressing, as they've hoped for, so now he is going to Utica. Brilliant... I hope this will give him a chance to develop away from the limelight of Vancouver and the expectations that follows. I don't see this as any sort of punishment, but an attempt to get him going in his development. I think the worst thing for the team is to ignore when certain players keep making the same mistakes over and over again, especially for the reasons you suggest. That has been one of the biggest reasons for the apathetic play of this team many times over the past several years. I never said anything so ridiculous as bench them or take their letters away. But if they are so sensitive that they can't handle realistic criticism in the interest of making them think about improving too or recognize themselves that they need to be better then it is no wonder why this team cannot rise to the occasion most days. I know I am sick of hearing Henrik talk about the team needing to bury their chances when he really should say he needs to personally do so too. Markstrom lets in 7 and takes responsibility for it by saying HE needs to be better and would like a few of those goals back. That is a young player taking responsibility. Have you ever heard a Sedin actually take personal responsibility? Nope they talk about the team as a whole rather than say, "I know I need to start shooting when I have those opportunities. The team needs me as a top offensive player to bury those chances that could have changed the complexion of the game." It may be the politically correct approach but it certainly doesn't sound like they think they might be part of the problem with the offense. I would disagree. They get prime offensive time and despite their historical production (which doesn't and shouldn't make them exempt from producing now) they really haven't been generating much offense with that huge opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Management and ownership obviously felt that the Canucks would be more competitive this season. I'm going out on a limb and speculating.......could the treatment of Virtanten be indicative of a shift in management's strategy this season from being competitive back to placing development as it's prime focus? Has ugly reality finally found a home? I honestly do not think, contrary to many, that Linden, Benning and Desjardin are stupid hockey people. Even if optimistic by nature I am assuming their positive outlook at the beginning of the season was a sop to a needy fan base. Now that fans are starting to realize that a rebuild takes years rather than months they can move on to development. Perhaps some of this acceptance goes beyond many fans to some of the Canuck vets like the Twins. If the season goes as I suspect the vets might be quite willing to accept trades if offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 minute ago, wallstreetamigo said: I think the worst thing for the team is to ignore when certain players keep making the same mistakes over and over again, especially for the reasons you suggest. That has been one of the biggest reasons for the apathetic play of this team many times over the past several years. I never said anything so ridiculous as bench them or take their letters away. But if they are so sensitive that they can't handle realistic criticism in the interest of making them think about improving too or recognize themselves that they need to be better then it is no wonder why this team cannot rise to the occasion most days. I know I am sick of hearing Henrik talk about the team needing to bury their chances when he really should say he needs to personally do so too. Markstrom lets in 7 and takes responsibility for it by saying HE needs to be better and would like a few of those goals back. That is a young player taking responsibility. Have you ever heard a Sedin actually take personal responsibility? Nope they talk about the team as a whole rather than say, "I know I need to start shooting when I have those opportunities. The team needs me as a top offensive player to bury those chances that could have changed the complexion of the game." It may be the politically correct approach but it certainly doesn't sound like they think they might be part of the problem with the offense. I would disagree. They get prime offensive time and despite their historical production (which doesn't and shouldn't make them exempt from producing now) they really haven't been generating much offense with that huge opportunity. Danny has said that in the past but I agree. What bothers me more is poor play in the d-zone which never gets commented on. Much of the Twins comments is positive in an honest effort to shield the team from criticism. I feel sorry for them as they near retirement and the realization that a CUP is not in the cards unless they are dealt. I honestly hope that is the case and that they are traded to a contender next spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: I think the worst thing for the team is to ignore when certain players keep making the same mistakes over and over again, especially for the reasons you suggest. That has been one of the biggest reasons for the apathetic play of this team many times over the past several years. I never said anything so ridiculous as bench them or take their letters away. But if they are so sensitive that they can't handle realistic criticism in the interest of making them think about improving too or recognize themselves that they need to be better then it is no wonder why this team cannot rise to the occasion most days. I know I am sick of hearing Henrik talk about the team needing to bury their chances when he really should say he needs to personally do so too. Markstrom lets in 7 and takes responsibility for it by saying HE needs to be better and would like a few of those goals back. That is a young player taking responsibility. Have you ever heard a Sedin actually take personal responsibility? Nope they talk about the team as a whole rather than say, "I know I need to start shooting when I have those opportunities. The team needs me as a top offensive player to bury those chances that could have changed the complexion of the game." It may be the politically correct approach but it certainly doesn't sound like they think they might be part of the problem with the offense. I would disagree. They get prime offensive time and despite their historical production (which doesn't and shouldn't make them exempt from producing now) they really haven't been generating much offense with that huge opportunity. Yes. Just last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 21 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Hahahaha! Willie has to go. Medicine Hat needs a savior! You really took a page out of Alf's book in this thread. How do you feel about Desjardins, by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 21 hours ago, tas said: having enough stuff for a 2 week road trip and having enough stuff for a multiple-month stay in a different country on the opposite coast are 2 very different things. maybe it's planned for him to spend the rest of the year there and he's renting a place instead of staying in a hotel? the guy is going to need his personal effects. Why would you make an intelligent deduction when you can riff on the word 'stuff'. Seriously guys, can we get another 'stuff' joke, cause it just keeps getting funnier. Haha, stuff. That's effing hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 3 hours ago, ice orca said: Benning makes the roster moves, he is the one who sent him to Utica and back to get his stuff and back again. If him and Willie were not on the same page Willie would have been fired long ago. There is something strange going on inside the room with this kid and it's not all on Willie. What happens if the next coach come in and does the same thing with Virtanen you want him fired as well? Do you think guys like Babcock,Sutter,Quennville would do anything different with this kid. Yes they would. Those guys are all success NHL coaches, who would have confidence in their own futures, so they would tell the owner: "we are rebuilding, and playing our future core players in prominent roles". THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Just now, WhoseTruckWasIt said: You really took a page out of Alf's book in this thread. How do you feel about Desjardins, by the way? It was a page out of Alf's book. I found it on my kitchen floor next to an empty cat collar. How do I truly feel about Desjardins? I feel for the guy. But not too much. He's an educated man and could see the potential s-storm he was walking into when he accepted the job. He is in over his head, and has been given a roster that has some deficiencies, but isn't the worst looking roster in the league. I don't think this team is taking Pittsburgh in a 7 game series, but I think Willie isn't a strong enough personality or a strategist capable of managing the peaks and valleys of an NHL team, hence the woefully inconsistent efforts so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: Why would you make an intelligent deduction when you can riff on the word 'stuff'. Seriously guys, can we get another 'stuff' joke, cause it just keeps getting funnier. Haha, stuff. That's effing hilarious. Please stop saying stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 21 hours ago, SaintPatrick33 said: Well is that not the point? Out of JB's first year first round draft picks we traded McCann, and all other players picked around JV are outperforming him by a wide margin. This organization could not afford to screw up this badly, now we are watching a slow team get pounded for 7 goals at home. There is no excuse in this day and age for drafting an immature kid like JV, millions are invested in player development and scouting. Apparently the "character" JB professed about has not materialized because I still watch the same heartless team every game besides Dorsett. GL JV, hope you become a PF, but it will probably take 5 years before you realize you are a scrub of a player who could not even make it work with McDavid. Enjoy 3rd line minutes in the bigs bud, and keep listening to Bieber. If Virtanen turns out to be good in a year or two are you going to come on here and say what an idiot you are? No? You'll be saying what a mistake they made by not developing him more quickly? You'll smugly mock line combinations without being at practice? Thought so. Hey, it's pretty easy to spout off about things that won't be determined for several years, it's just absurd, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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