kingofsurrey Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Canucks management is a Gong Show. Is there a worse managed team in the NHL ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 17 hours ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: If Virtanen turns out to be good in a year or two are you going to come on here and say what an idiot you are? No? You'll be saying what a mistake they made by not developing him more quickly? You'll smugly mock line combinations without being at practice? Thought so. Hey, it's pretty easy to spout off about things that won't be determined for several years, it's just absurd, that's all. I have no problem admitting I am wrong. I was all aboard our offseason moves of signing Loui and trading for Gud, but so far has not worked out. The trading of schneids also set me off, but thankfully Bo seems to be a hardworking player who has improved his game every season in the NHL. I could care less about being wrong or right, I just want to watch an entertaining team at this stage. My point with Jake is that since these issues of work ethic came about (skipping practice for a concert, last on first off at practice), in addition to what he has proven when playing with big league players (off McDavids line, gets pasted in the national press the next year for some stupid penalties), this kid is not worth a top 10 pick. The only thing I see when watching him is that he hits hard and has decent skating, but GL with finding teammates or scoring. A player without the requisite attitude and work ethic in this league qualifies as a 3rd line grinder, and I doubt he will even turn out to be that. Listen, Bo suffered through a bad goal-less streak last year, but I could care less because his work ethic and heart were still in the game. Jake does not have enough skill like a Kane to get away with this. If teammates like Burr call you out (just like the Sedins did Kass), you know somethings up. Hope for the best with Jake, but like I said it is only hope because this kid has proven nothing besides one good junior season. Quote my words in 3-5 years, because IMO doubtful this kid becomes worthy of a top 10 pick for this franchise. If I am wrong, I will buy you tickets and a beer to watch Jake in his prime when he should be scoring 20 goals and plastering D-men on the forecheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 15 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said: Too much credit to Willie here. All he has really done is exactly what the previous two coaches did. It's not amazing to figure out that approach has only made us worse. He is trying to save his job which I understand. But a coach trying to save his job doesn't take the chances he needs to take to bring a team like this one to the next level. Desjardins is is a career minor league coach. Of course someone who spends that long coaching there will believe every player needs an extended stay in the AHL or juniors to develop. Unfortunately these young athletes now are infinitely more well conditioned and well prepared physically and mentally than they used to be. Some of them don't need the slow roast method and an NHL level coach can figure out which ones do and which ones don't. The best coaches get the most out of their players whether they are vets or rookies. I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that Desjardins has been getting the most out of this roster in his time here. Yet again you ignore the facts, you're unbelievable. We are not talking about the Oilers, the Leafs or even the Bluejackets here - you do realise that? We are talking about a team 2 years from any hope of contention, a team whose scouting structure was allowed to collapse into virtual non existence, causing huge gaps int 20-26 age group AND YET you expect the coach, any coach, to throw his career on the scrap heap to make people like you feel justified. Ive had enough of your fantasies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 15 hours ago, chickenman92 said: those 3 days that Jake was with the Canucks cost Aquaman thousands (925k or $15,247 in NHL vs 70k or $1,154 in AHL) of dollars They wanted him to have more money for "stuff" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 4 hours ago, alfstonker said: Yet again you ignore the facts, you're unbelievable. We are not talking about the Oilers, the Leafs or even the Bluejackets here - you do realise that? We are talking about a team 2 years from any hope of contention, a team whose scouting structure was allowed to collapse into virtual non existence, causing huge gaps int 20-26 age group AND YET you expect the coach, any coach, to throw his career on the scrap heap to make people like you feel justified. Ive had enough of your fantasies. How is looking to the inevitable transition by starting to utilize those players a bit more rather than over relying on the Sedins or stop gap players actually throwing his career on the scrap heap? It's actually probably the only way he can stick around for the eventual upswing. If he doesn't successfully transition some of the offensive responsibility beyond the Sedins the next coach will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 15 hours ago, SaintPatrick33 said: I have no problem admitting I am wrong. I was all aboard our offseason moves of signing Loui and trading for Gud, but so far has not worked out. The trading of schneids also set me off, but thankfully Bo seems to be a hardworking player who has improved his game every season in the NHL. I could care less about being wrong or right, I just want to watch an entertaining team at this stage. My point with Jake is that since these issues of work ethic came about (skipping practice for a concert, last on first off at practice), in addition to what he has proven when playing with big league players (off McDavids line, gets pasted in the national press the next year for some stupid penalties), this kid is not worth a top 10 pick. The only thing I see when watching him is that he hits hard and has decent skating, but GL with finding teammates or scoring. A player without the requisite attitude and work ethic in this league qualifies as a 3rd line grinder, and I doubt he will even turn out to be that. Listen, Bo suffered through a bad goal-less streak last year, but I could care less because his work ethic and heart were still in the game. Jake does not have enough skill like a Kane to get away with this. If teammates like Burr call you out (just like the Sedins did Kass), you know somethings up. Hope for the best with Jake, but like I said it is only hope because this kid has proven nothing besides one good junior season. Quote my words in 3-5 years, because IMO doubtful this kid becomes worthy of a top 10 pick for this franchise. If I am wrong, I will buy you tickets and a beer to watch Jake in his prime when he should be scoring 20 goals and plastering D-men on the forecheck. It's almost as if only time will tell. In a way, it's as though speculative thinking should not be considered to be a well-founded opinion. Good explanation though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I am beginning to think that Willie is a big part of the troubles. The first year the team had a lot of the core in place but they added Vrbata and Miller. The team needed very little coaching and just followed the same style. Willie went along for the ride. They were freed from Torts and returned to their old ways. Vrata just fit in. The next year saw more player changes and at that point Willie needed to start coaching all the new players which included youth. This year is even worse. Players like Vrbata and now Eriksson both go from 30 goals to being ineped. Something else is wrong. I think Willie is in over his head. I hope he makes it late into the year before they pull the tiger. It is all about drafting any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 3 hours ago, appleboy said: I am beginning to think that Willie is a big part of the troubles. The first year the team had a lot of the core in place but they added Vrbata and Miller. The team needed very little coaching and just followed the same style. Willie went along for the ride. They were freed from Torts and returned to their old ways. Vrata just fit in. The next year saw more player changes and at that point Willie needed to start coaching all the new players which included youth. This year is even worse. Players like Vrbata and now Eriksson both go from 30 goals to being ineped. Something else is wrong. I think Willie is in over his head. I hope he makes it late into the year before they pull the tiger. It is all about drafting any way. its willies Fault for giving him soo much ice time in the 1st place. Should have made the call and put him back in Junior last year, and start this year off in the AHL. Make him take the route of a goalie you know what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 On November 17, 2016 at 10:57 PM, chickenman92 said: I'm not going to comb through 18 pages, but this speaks volumes about Vancouver's cap management skills. Why call a player up, have him count against your cap, pay him NHL money as oppose to AHL money, not play him, and then send him down? I know it's not a huge chunk of space or money, but those 3 days that Jake was with the Canucks cost Aquaman thousands (925k or $15,247 in NHL vs 70k or $1,154 in AHL) of dollars and used up some cap space. Not sure what cap hit would be ascribed to two or three days of an entry level deal. Pretty much nada when compared to the roster. If it did matter in terms of making a trade, it can be easily offset by the other team keeping a small cap hit of a few grand. Not an issue IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrix Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 12 hours ago, appleboy said: I am beginning to think that Willie is a big part of the troubles. Just beginnin?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrix Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Someone got on the score board~~~ 1 assist. Yeh~~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 23 minutes ago, Byrix said: Someone got on the score board~~~ 1 assist. Yeh~~~ baby steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomorick Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 On 17/11/2016 at 9:33 PM, kingofsurrey said: Canucks management is a Gong Show. Is there a worse managed team in the NHL ? Has there ever been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrix Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 What is going on?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 14 minutes ago, Byrix said: What is going on?!?!?! what's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrix Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 48 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: what's the problem? no shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 17 minutes ago, Byrix said: no shots he is figuring things out. life in the ahl is much different then life in the nhl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruxin'sVinegarStrokes Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 On 11/17/2016 at 6:57 PM, chickenman92 said: I'm not going to comb through 18 pages, but this speaks volumes about Vancouver's cap management skills. Why call a player up, have him count against your cap, pay him NHL money as oppose to AHL money, not play him, and then send him down? I know it's not a huge chunk of space or money, but those 3 days that Jake was with the Canucks cost Aquaman thousands (925k or $15,247 in NHL vs 70k or $1,154 in AHL) of dollars and used up some cap space. I'm going to go against the grain and say that letting him come back for some extra stuff was a classy move. What if he has medications or they expect him to be down the rest of the year. I agree they mismanaged him but it was a nice gesture to let him prep for a long stretch from home after he made the team last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrix Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Something just doesn't add up. I can't put my finger on it. Logical explaination anyone, guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 22 minutes ago, Byrix said: Something just doesn't add up. I can't put my finger on it. Logical explaination anyone, guys? Confused?! What exactly is the problem, here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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