CHIPS Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I am not impatient. I knew we are rebuilding. But I do wish we can become that high offensive team. If we lose, I would much rather lose 2-4 than 0-1. I want to see run and gun hockey. My ideal team: Insane scoring, terrible defense, epic goaltending. It isn't just about winning. It is about entertainment. I want the other team to be terrified of our offense. That every night we are going to score 2-3 goals. So the enemy must score 3-4 to win. And we have a terrible defense that is covered by epic goaltending. If we are going to hire an all-star goalie why not make him shrine? Just go focus on scoring. Let the goalie handle the net. I just hate it when we are down 0-3, the chances of us coming back is like 0.00%. But when we are winning 3-0, the chances of the other team coming back is like 10%. Sometimes we just need to score. We cannot rely on the other team not scoring. That is not fun hockey to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, CHIPS said: I am not impatient. I knew we are rebuilding. But I do wish we can become that high offensive team. If we lose, I would much rather lose 2-4 than 0-1. I want to see run and gun hockey. My ideal team: Insane scoring, terrible defense, epic goaltending. It isn't just about winning. It is about entertainment. I want the other team to be terrified of our offense. That every night we are going to score 2-3 goals. So the enemy must score 3-4 to win. And we have a terrible defense that is covered by epic goaltending. If we are going to hire an all-star goalie why not make him shrine? Just go focus on scoring. Let the goalie handle the net. I just hate it when we are down 0-3, the chances of us coming back is like 0.00%. But when we are winning 3-0, the chances of the other team coming back is like 10%. Sometimes we just need to score. We cannot rely on the other team not scoring. That is not fun hockey to watch. I would like us to play confidently as well, like nothing to lose...or from those years against the Hawks "they just don't know better". Don't add stress to the team by having them lose control of a game by trying to preserve a lead, have them continue to push and maintain control of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Have not posted much in a while given the cdc quality seems to follow the teams success closely. This topic wins the cake and is spot on. Sometimes I wonder the average age of the posters means they have not experienced the Canucks historical lows...at this point we have some decent young players that should at least make the hockey fun to watch. I saw the back to back Montreal and Ottawa games recently and although we lost both games the puck was in the offensive zone most of the time and we outplayed them. After the first period in Montreal the shots were something like 18 to 3. Sure the losing streak wasnt always like those two games but it did prove to me that our team already is competitive and fun watch. The season isn't a lost cause yet especially given we are only a three game winning streak away from the last spot in our division but more importantly this team already has a brighter future than we had during the dark ages of the latter Keenan years....to those under twenty five who have only experienced the Luongo west coast express years take it from an older fan we have much to be grateful for just give it some time and enjoy the last hurrah of two of the best players of the old guard .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I think I can speak for everyone here, I wan't to tank and pick first overall in the draft but I want to do so while never losing a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 What's frustrating to fans is that at the TDL we've let significant assets sit and let them walk in the off season for no return. Calgary almost had a first rounder for Russell and had that been Hamhuis in Dallas, that would have been a first round pick. We know the team will be bad for a few more seasons but we could have made better return on our assetst(or even a return at all) having a lottery ticket is better than not having one at all and even having a few extra 2nd and 3rd rounders for guys like Hamhuis, Vrbata would be worth it. I would honestly look at trading Burrows (cap retained) and Hansen at the deadline. Cup contenders can use guys like that and if we can get a late first for Hansen or even a high 2nd,its worth it. Eriksson signing was silly and looks untradeable at this point. My TDL players would be Hansen, Burrows, Edler, If they stay, they will just be on a crappy rebuilding team but if they go, we'll still be crappy but we'll at least have hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 25 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said: I think I can speak for everyone here, I wan't to tank and pick first overall in the draft but I want to do so while never losing a game. I'm ok with losing if we compete hard and have a team full of bangers that make other teams pay the price physically for beating us on the scoreboard. I want teams to come in thinking "crap, we have to play these a-holes. Keep your heads up everybody..." The worst thing is having a soft team that loses every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 3 hours ago, CanucksJay said: I'm ok with losing if we compete hard and have a team full of bangers that make other teams pay the price physically for beating us on the scoreboard. I want teams to come in thinking "crap, we have to play these a-holes. Keep your heads up everybody..." The worst thing is having a soft team that loses every game. I completely agree, if we lose I still want to see some entertainment, my previous comment was meant to be a bit facetious out of frustration to some of the other posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shotgun Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 On 2016-11-17 at 5:50 PM, danjr said: There are few people on this planet who have been Canucks fans longer than I. I used to listen to Canucks games on the radio in the 70's. I have earned the right to occasionally complain....especially when it is warranted. Right on. I listened to them on a transistor radio October 09 1970. A lot more heartache than joy with this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, Johnny Shotgun said: Right on. I listened to them on a transistor radio October 09 1970. A lot more heartache than joy with this club. But for a good portion of BC we live and die with this team win or lose. A previous poster said it best... its hard to watch a team lose when it's this soft(or weak/scared). We all know it's gonna be a long 3-7 years, we should have a barn that's intimidating to play in. No one skates by any opposing player... hot dogging and the crap that the leafs pulled doesn't happen. Would make losing a lot easier to handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckleheads fan Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 On 11/18/2016 at 7:49 AM, canucks411 said: Lol...this is the worst argument you can make. You could say that about anybody on the entire team: "Play Dorsett 25 mins a game.....it's ok though, this isn't a playoff team, so it's not hurting" I was simply saying I haven't been impressed with him 35+ games in the NHL, so was hoping we can trying someone else to see what others can bring to the table. Our problem is that our fan base falls in love with our first round draft choices, and tends to value them far too highly. Gaunce is a great example. He is being exposed as too slow, and without much hockey sense. I like Chaput's chances of being a long-term NHLer better. He's big, a decent skater and is terrific at faceoffs. If he can develop his game, I could see him being a 4th line defensive specialist/penalty killer/face off guy like Richardson. Gaunce is no better than Skille, who was also for some reason a first round pick back in the day. Our fans overvalued McCann. He was too small to ever develop into that sniper everybody dreamed about, at least here on the west coast. Plus there was some question as to his attitude. Maybe back east, where smaller players can find success, he'll eventually develop. I think the trade for Gudbranson will ultimately turn out to be brilliant. Gudbranson gives us what we've been missing, size, strength, an ability to play physically and a player who's not afraid to stand up for his teammates. He has been saddled with Hutton, who has been in a horrible sophomore slump, which the reason his +/- has been so bad. Hutton seems to be snake bitten, pinches at the wrong time, doesn't get pucks out, loses board battles, makes bad turnovers. I think he needs to go back to the basics, simplify his game and regain his confidence. I saw a stupid anti-Gudbranson comment on here the other day about how we should have kept McCann and signed Hammer. I think JB was correct in his assessment of McCann, small, weak, unlikely to ever be successful here. He cut bait and got a valuable piece in return. Some players can never bulk up, because they have a small frame. The same was true for Shinkaruk, I don't think he's ever going to turn into the elite scorer a lot of people on this board envisioned. He's a point a game player in the AHL, but lacks the skating, size, and physicality to be much in the NHL. JB and the staff has a full season of watching him in Utica to know he was never going be a solid NHLer. So they traded him for Granlund, who although isn't tearing it up, is playing a regular shift on our 2/3 line. I think he's looked very good, defensively responsible with flashes of playmaking skill and ability to finish. I think this too will eventually turn out to be a coup for JB. Many on this board can't stand Granlund because they were forecasting all those 30+ goal years that Shinkaruk was going to give this team. I remember seeing a picture of Shinkaruk sitting in the locker room in a tee shirt last year. He had already been a professional athlete for about two seasons. I saw no muscle tone in his upper body. His upper arms looked as small as his forearms. That's not the kind of dedication players need to play in the NHL these days. I hope Virtanen can be saved from himself. He plays soft, on the perimeter, like a sniper not like a power forward. The sooner he realizes that he is Clark Gilles not Mike Bossey the better it will be for his career. Seeing him in street clothes, it looks like he's never been to the Canuck's weight room. He looks soft, and out of shape. Before I get flamed by the Jake fans for bashing a kid, the fact is that he's been a professional hockey player for over a year. He needs to develop an attitude like Horvat. Workout like Horvat and do the things the coaches are asking him to do, like Horvat. I think Willie putting Horvat on the 4th line to start the year was an object lesson for Virtanen. Bo played his butt off on the 4th line, likely never complained, just put his head down and went to work. I think Willie was trying to show Jake what a true professional hockey player does. Jake's problem is Jake, not Willie. I have never understood the WD hate on this board. Willie has always been about player development before anything else. You look at how Willie has developed Bo. How Sven's confidence recovered when he arrived here after having it was killed by Hartley, the nice things Stetcher said about him on After Hours on Saturday. The way he's developed Hutton, Sbisa (who has turned into a very solid player), Tryamkin (yes, he was making a point to the big man, who appears to have gotten it), even Daniel (who stopped shooting under Torts), and Hansen. Sure Willie puts together some funny line combos, but I think it's all part of a plan to develop our young guys. Yes it hurts to lose, but somebody made the point earlier that it's going to take a few years before we're good again. We don't have those middle to late 20's aged players. Our stars are in their mid-30's. Our good young players are in their early 20's. The peak years for an NHL player is mid to late 20's. We have very few players in that age range. That's the major reason why we're not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 27 minutes ago, canuckleheads fan said: Willie has always been about player development before anything else. Reeaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllyyy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 32 minutes ago, canuckleheads fan said: Our problem is that our fan base falls in love with our first round draft choices, and tends to value them far too highly. Gaunce is a great example. He is being exposed as too slow, and without much hockey sense. I like Chaput's chances of being a long-term NHLer better. He's big, a decent skater and is terrific at faceoffs. If he can develop his game, I could see him being a 4th line defensive specialist/penalty killer/face off guy like Richardson. Gaunce is no better than Skille, who was also for some reason a first round pick back in the day. Our fans overvalued McCann. He was too small to ever develop into that sniper everybody dreamed about, at least here on the west coast. Plus there was some question as to his attitude. Maybe back east, where smaller players can find success, he'll eventually develop. I think the trade for Gudbranson will ultimately turn out to be brilliant. Gudbranson gives us what we've been missing, size, strength, an ability to play physically and a player who's not afraid to stand up for his teammates. He has been saddled with Hutton, who has been in a horrible sophomore slump, which the reason his +/- has been so bad. Hutton seems to be snake bitten, pinches at the wrong time, doesn't get pucks out, loses board battles, makes bad turnovers. I think he needs to go back to the basics, simplify his game and regain his confidence. I saw a stupid anti-Gudbranson comment on here the other day about how we should have kept McCann and signed Hammer. I think JB was correct in his assessment of McCann, small, weak, unlikely to ever be successful here. He cut bait and got a valuable piece in return. Some players can never bulk up, because they have a small frame. The same was true for Shinkaruk, I don't think he's ever going to turn into the elite scorer a lot of people on this board envisioned. He's a point a game player in the AHL, but lacks the skating, size, and physicality to be much in the NHL. JB and the staff has a full season of watching him in Utica to know he was never going be a solid NHLer. So they traded him for Granlund, who although isn't tearing it up, is playing a regular shift on our 2/3 line. I think he's looked very good, defensively responsible with flashes of playmaking skill and ability to finish. I think this too will eventually turn out to be a coup for JB. Many on this board can't stand Granlund because they were forecasting all those 30+ goal years that Shinkaruk was going to give this team. I remember seeing a picture of Shinkaruk sitting in the locker room in a tee shirt last year. He had already been a professional athlete for about two seasons. I saw no muscle tone in his upper body. His upper arms looked as small as his forearms. That's not the kind of dedication players need to play in the NHL these days. I hope Virtanen can be saved from himself. He plays soft, on the perimeter, like a sniper not like a power forward. The sooner he realizes that he is Clark Gilles not Mike Bossey the better it will be for his career. Seeing him in street clothes, it looks like he's never been to the Canuck's weight room. He looks soft, and out of shape. Before I get flamed by the Jake fans for bashing a kid, the fact is that he's been a professional hockey player for over a year. He needs to develop an attitude like Horvat. Workout like Horvat and do the things the coaches are asking him to do, like Horvat. I think Willie putting Horvat on the 4th line to start the year was an object lesson for Virtanen. Bo played his butt off on the 4th line, likely never complained, just put his head down and went to work. I think Willie was trying to show Jake what a true professional hockey player does. Jake's problem is Jake, not Willie. I have never understood the WD hate on this board. Willie has always been about player development before anything else. You look at how Willie has developed Bo. How Sven's confidence recovered when he arrived here after having it was killed by Hartley, the nice things Stetcher said about him on After Hours on Saturday. The way he's developed Hutton, Sbisa (who has turned into a very solid player), Tryamkin (yes, he was making a point to the big man, who appears to have gotten it), even Daniel (who stopped shooting under Torts), and Hansen. Sure Willie puts together some funny line combos, but I think it's all part of a plan to develop our young guys. Yes it hurts to lose, but somebody made the point earlier that it's going to take a few years before we're good again. We don't have those middle to late 20's aged players. Our stars are in their mid-30's. Our good young players are in their early 20's. The peak years for an NHL player is mid to late 20's. We have very few players in that age range. That's the major reason why we're not very good. You sure typed A LOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckleheads fan Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Alflives said: You sure typed A LOT. Just got a new laptop, which makes typing MUCH easier than on my phone, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agent007 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 On 11/18/2016 at 0:51 PM, Run n Gun said: Oh, sorry. Yes, you're right. The Nucks just showed some compete against the Coyotes... my bad. Glad your aware of your mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 18 hours ago, canuckleheads fan said: Our problem is that our fan base falls in love with our first round draft choices, and tends to value them far too highly. Gaunce is a great example. He is being exposed as too slow, and without much hockey sense. I like Chaput's chances of being a long-term NHLer better. He's big, a decent skater and is terrific at faceoffs. If he can develop his game, I could see him being a 4th line defensive specialist/penalty killer/face off guy like Richardson. Gaunce is no better than Skille, who was also for some reason a first round pick back in the day. Our fans overvalued McCann. He was too small to ever develop into that sniper everybody dreamed about, at least here on the west coast. Plus there was some question as to his attitude. Maybe back east, where smaller players can find success, he'll eventually develop. I think the trade for Gudbranson will ultimately turn out to be brilliant. Gudbranson gives us what we've been missing, size, strength, an ability to play physically and a player who's not afraid to stand up for his teammates. He has been saddled with Hutton, who has been in a horrible sophomore slump, which the reason his +/- has been so bad. Hutton seems to be snake bitten, pinches at the wrong time, doesn't get pucks out, loses board battles, makes bad turnovers. I think he needs to go back to the basics, simplify his game and regain his confidence. I saw a stupid anti-Gudbranson comment on here the other day about how we should have kept McCann and signed Hammer. I think JB was correct in his assessment of McCann, small, weak, unlikely to ever be successful here. He cut bait and got a valuable piece in return. Some players can never bulk up, because they have a small frame. The same was true for Shinkaruk, I don't think he's ever going to turn into the elite scorer a lot of people on this board envisioned. He's a point a game player in the AHL, but lacks the skating, size, and physicality to be much in the NHL. JB and the staff has a full season of watching him in Utica to know he was never going be a solid NHLer. So they traded him for Granlund, who although isn't tearing it up, is playing a regular shift on our 2/3 line. I think he's looked very good, defensively responsible with flashes of playmaking skill and ability to finish. I think this too will eventually turn out to be a coup for JB. Many on this board can't stand Granlund because they were forecasting all those 30+ goal years that Shinkaruk was going to give this team. I remember seeing a picture of Shinkaruk sitting in the locker room in a tee shirt last year. He had already been a professional athlete for about two seasons. I saw no muscle tone in his upper body. His upper arms looked as small as his forearms. That's not the kind of dedication players need to play in the NHL these days. I hope Virtanen can be saved from himself. He plays soft, on the perimeter, like a sniper not like a power forward. The sooner he realizes that he is Clark Gilles not Mike Bossey the better it will be for his career. Seeing him in street clothes, it looks like he's never been to the Canuck's weight room. He looks soft, and out of shape. Before I get flamed by the Jake fans for bashing a kid, the fact is that he's been a professional hockey player for over a year. He needs to develop an attitude like Horvat. Workout like Horvat and do the things the coaches are asking him to do, like Horvat. I think Willie putting Horvat on the 4th line to start the year was an object lesson for Virtanen. Bo played his butt off on the 4th line, likely never complained, just put his head down and went to work. I think Willie was trying to show Jake what a true professional hockey player does. Jake's problem is Jake, not Willie. I have never understood the WD hate on this board. Willie has always been about player development before anything else. You look at how Willie has developed Bo. How Sven's confidence recovered when he arrived here after having it was killed by Hartley, the nice things Stetcher said about him on After Hours on Saturday. The way he's developed Hutton, Sbisa (who has turned into a very solid player), Tryamkin (yes, he was making a point to the big man, who appears to have gotten it), even Daniel (who stopped shooting under Torts), and Hansen. Sure Willie puts together some funny line combos, but I think it's all part of a plan to develop our young guys. Yes it hurts to lose, but somebody made the point earlier that it's going to take a few years before we're good again. We don't have those middle to late 20's aged players. Our stars are in their mid-30's. Our good young players are in their early 20's. The peak years for an NHL player is mid to late 20's. We have very few players in that age range. That's the major reason why we're not very good. Good post. One thing I'd like to add is some reasoning as to why fans fall in love with first rounders. Fans fall in love with first rounders because those are players that are more likely to evolve into high end players. There are outliers on both ends of the spectrum, but generally, most top end players are found early in the draft. So what players like Shinkaruk and McCann offered was a glimmer of hope. Chances that neither will ever be big contributing NHLers is very high, but there was that inkling of hope. That the stars could align just right and they reach their full potential on the NHL stage. What do players like Chaput represent? The status quo. What you see is what you get. Sure, by all counts, he should get better. And logically speaking, he should be getting rewarded for his work. But he won't answer any long term problems for the team. So I think a lot of the frustration is that the organization tends to favour the safer choice over the wildcard almost every time. Gudbranson vs McCann. Guddy is an NHLer, no question. McCann could possibly have been an answer to our scoring woes if he panned out. Or he could bust. Guddy is the safe choice here. Virtanen over Nylander/Ehlers in the draft. Virtanen looked like the safe choice. Guy who can do it all. Maybe not elite scoring talent, but should be a solid NHLer. Nylander/Ehlers could either boom or bust. Turns out they are booming. But Jake, on draft day, looked like the safe choice. Shinkaruk vs Granlund. Shinkaruk looks like his time is running out to make it, but if he can put it all together, he could be a legit sniper. Probably not, but there was that tiny bit of a chance he could be. Granlund looks like he's going to be a solid NHLer. We are all aware that the clock is ticking on our current core without a whole lot to replace them. So we all get a little desperate sometimes for some hail marys since the status quo isn't going to cut it.. The fans just want some hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Labate called up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Run n Gun Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 hour ago, agent007 said: Glad your aware of your mistake Glad we can agree that the Canucks will be competitive for 30th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 On 17/11/2016 at 7:17 PM, Inge34 said: I haven't posted in a while and will get flamed for this but who cares. Most won't even take the time to read this but here we go, So the Canucks are 17 games in and so far, We need to fire WD We need to fire JB TL is going to quit Erickson is a bust Virtanen is a bust Gudbranson is a bust We need to trade everyone away for picks We need to buy out the Sedins Why can't we do what Toronto did? Holy crap are we the most ridiculously impatient fan base in sports. I would hate to be the one to tell you but we are not a good team everyone. We will not be a good team for 2-4 more seasons, not including this one. What did all of you expect from a bunch of young guys playing in their first years and another bunch of old guys near the end? We were a bottom 3 team last season and had no luck in the draft lottery. We are going to miss the playoffs and most likely be another bottom three team again and again and again. We may be sellers at the TDL and we won't get "the value" for what we give up that most everyone thinks we should get. Why? Because our players are not that good or coveted by anyone. Firing WD will do nothing for this team. Yes, he makes questionable line combos and lineups. Yes, he is trying to win. Yes, for some reason he has issues with Virtanen. But if you think another coach( Green, Jarvis, Roy, Hartley or whoever) will come in here and have this team win like what happened in Pittsburgh last season you need to check yourself in for some treatment. This team just doesn't have the finishing skill to get the job done and that aint changing with a new coach. Everyone is so hot for Green but tell me this, who has he developed in the last three years in Utica? Hutton? no. Horvat? no Tryamkin? no. Baertschi? no. Granlund? no. Stecher? not really. Oh I'll tell you, Guance and Markstrom, that is it. Now is that a reflection of him as a coach, probably not but is a reflection of the lack of talent that the Canucks are dealing with. So go ahead and fire WD, it won't make a shread of difference, this team has a huge gap in talent and it going to take time to fix this. It took Edmonton 10 years to get their team going, Calgary is still struggling even with their "great young players", same with Buffalo, Arizona and Columbus. Toronto has some good young players but they are still outside the playoffs if they started today. Firing JB will again set this team back another two-three seasons. He is slowly turning this team over and drafting and signing some decent young players. Aside from Edler, our defence is pretty young and will only get better. Our Goaltending looks to be pretty solid for years to come with Markstrom, Demko and even Garteig. His signing of high profile FA's has not been very good but really most of those types of players never really pan out for their new teams. Just google the last 5-6 years of FA signings and there are very few that change the fortunes of a team. His trading has been spotty and he has pissed off fans by saying "We are a playoff team" and they are not. "We are building through the draft" but yet trading picks and prospects for more developed young players. But realistically he had very little in the cupboards and on the ice when he took this team over. The worst thing that could have happened to him and the Canucks is that bounce back season after Torts. It fooled him, it fooled the core, it fooled TL, it fooled the Aqualinis and it fooled all of us. We are not that talented and it will be 2-3 years till we see some of these good young players (Virtanen, Boeser, Demko, Joulevi) show their stuff. TL is not going to quit. Freidman is a rumour monger and a hack of a journalist. I'm sure TL feels like quitting everyday, especially after being questioned by media and fans on a daily basis. He can't turn on the radio, watch TV, or go to a restaurant without someone questioning him and his decisions. I know he took the job and this is part of it but holy moly lets wait this out and see what the hell happens folks. Erickson, Virtanen and Gudbranson are not busts. Well they may be but 17 games into the season? Let's not check that one yet. Erickson is a solid two way forward who was never a star player, who will net you 20-30 goals a year. The problem was most of you were listening to 1040 too much. There was a lot of hype around him and the Sedins chemistry and the possibility and allure of 40 goal seasons. Give your head a shake, that has never been his game nor will that ever happen. Yes he is a minus 5 but there are 11 guys equal or worse then that on the Canucks right now, two of them being favourite sons Horvat (-6) and Hutton (-9). Yes we overpaid for him, welcome to free agency everyone. Virtanen story has been totally goofy this year. He should have started in Utica this season but unfortunately there was some injuries and that didn't happen. He is now where he should have been and hopefully he gets 18-20 min per game and can develop his game away from friends and the spotlight. Better late then never. Gudbranson is a solid, stay at home, take the body defender with some solid upside. he's young, big, physical and a good skater. Was he worth what we gave up? I say yes, you say no. We have a young and upcoming d-corp and he will be here for years to come. But he is -9!!! OMG, so is Hutton so he must be a bust too. This team is not very good and can't score goals. So when you don't score a lot and let in lots of goals guess what???? You lose a lot and have a lot of players in the minus. Let's trade the core players, buy out the Sedins and build like they did in Toronto. Well, aside from Edler, Tanev and Hanson who has any value? Sedins? Got value but no one will take both at 7 mil per season without us eating lots of salary. Dorsett? 5th rounder at best. Sutter? Not a lot of value there. Miller? He only wants to play on the west coast and besides LA who's looking for a rental goalie. Sbisa? Not getting much in return. We could trade some of the young guys but that only moves us back not forward. And who knows, we could move Tanev, Edler and Hanson for some picks, maybe a couple seconds and some AHLer's. But that is not going to change the fact that we are still 2-4 years away from getting good again. We are rebuilding but like I said in the summer I don't think many of the fans have the stomach for a rebuild. We all want the quick fix, blockbuster trade that rips another team off and the franchise drafted player that becomes an instant star. We all want that, the problem lays that so does every other team and fan base. Let's settle down and try to enjoy the little things with the Canucks for the next couple years because that is what it's going to take to turn this team around, another 2-4 seasons. It's really that simple. Just thought I would point out some of the obvious to everyone, and no I don't have a plan to fix things cause I'm not a GM. Good post. I agree with enjoying the little things. It reminds me of the last time the team was in the soup when Gelinas was our bright light and leading scorer (35 I believe) or when "back- up" Bob got our hopes up outplaying a merry go round of starters ( Felix potvin Irbe Sean Burke etc.).…. our team is far from rock bottom guys...just wait. Enjoy the hockey isn't that what it's all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Run n Gun said: Glad we can agree that the Canucks will be competitive for 30th place. We could win that first pick, and then choose the wrong player, just like the LOSER LEAFS DID. Hahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Leafs didn't have much choice. Mathews was the consensus generational pick by most of the media and the leafs took the safe pick. Too early to tell who will be the best anyway. Maybe they both will be, in their own way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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