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2 hours ago, darkpoet said:


My point (originally) was, if you were Boeser, and you had to choose which team to go to - Van or Edm - which would you choose? 
 

Not Edmonton. On any team the big dog gets the big money. On Edmonton he's never going to be the big dog. He's got McD, RNH, Draisitl, Pulju, and a boat anchor (Lucic) ahead of him. On Van, after next year, first line duty is there for the taking.

 

You're right about one thing, though. It ain't done 'til the paperwork is signed.

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The iceman is being a drama queen.B)

Nobody believes a rebuild will be an overnight process or even that it will be a successful one.

Nobody wants to watch a pretender Canucks team do a Flames-like fading into oblivion by refusing to rebuild until its too late. The Canucks have been doing just that.

 

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1 hour ago, iceman64 said:

Cue the stupidity of wannabee fans and media hey? rebuild rebuild rebuild...  trade everyone!!!  yep trade everyone!!  make it stanley cup champion team overnight, it will solve everything and next year the cup is OURS!!! 

Okay bud take 5. Nobody here is saying trade everyone and expects a championship calibre team to be built overnight. There are actually a lot of level headed, intelligent hockey fans here that understand what it typically takes to create a good team. What we are seeing from management is an inability to cut losses and move on. Their grand plan from when they were brought on board is failing and the prospect pool is pretty bare. What a lot of us see is a slowly sinking ship trying to stay afloat by patching up leaks with temporary fixes hoping help arrives before it's too late. Any half knowledgeable hockey fan can see the glass is half empty rather than half full despite the bull crap Benning and Linden keep trying to ram down our throats.

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College free agents are often hyped up as being a rich vein of elite players that can be obtained for free.  The truth is that there are very few college free agents that go on to have significant NHL careers.  Of the top of my head Danny Dekeyser, Matt Read, J.T. Brown, Justin Fontaine, Teddy Purcell, Ben Scrivens, Tyler Bozak, Matt Irwin and Mark Letestu are the only ones that springs to mind (for the record Kevin Hayes, Justin Schultz and Jimmy Vesey were drafted by NHL teams so only became a college free agents after they would not sign with their drafting team).  This is hardly a list of future Hall of Famers.   Remember GM Mike Gillis claiming that he would actively seek out CFA as a source of rich talent. Did he sign any of them? No.

The most sought after CFA in recent years was Drake Caggiula and he is yet to play a single NHL game.

Stetcher has made a good start and might become the most successful CFA to make it to the NHL, but it is way too early to say.  The truth is that there are hundreds of scouts that watch hundreds of junior games.  It is very rare that a future NHL player goes through 3 drafts unnoticed by these scouts.

CFA will always be the rarest route to the NHL and certainly not the bread and butter for successful franchises.

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On 11/18/2016 at 5:42 PM, elvis15 said:

He's indicated he's likely to go pro after this season. There's only one team he can sign with if he does so: us. He'd have to play two more years of college hockey and then wait until mid-August of 2019 to even qualify as a free agent able to sign with any other team. Let's just calm down about whether or not he's explicitly stated he isn't going to pull a Vesey.


It's funny that you made your response sound like a retort, when in the end, you agreed with what i said.




lol

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18 minutes ago, darkpoet said:

It's funny that you made your response sound like a retort, when in the end, you agreed with what i said.
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I don't know how you took that as agreement. While we may agree that it's not 100% a given until he actually signs, my statement that he's extremely likely to sign is not the same as yours - I believe it was 'complete toss up' you said?

 

On 11/18/2016 at 0:09 AM, darkpoet said:

We are very lucky to have landed Stecher but at this point Boeser is a complete toss up. People forget we have not signed him. He could easily just play things out and decide to go somewhere else.. you know... that isn't a complete train wreck :-/

 

Yup, 'complete toss up'. That in the best light sounds like 50/50 when clearly it's not that. Uh huh, total agreement, clearly. :rolleyes:

 

On 11/18/2016 at 5:42 PM, elvis15 said:

He's indicated he's likely to go pro after this season.

That means he can only sign with one team if he does, us. That puts the odds strongly on the side of him signing with us, and sooner than later.

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The covetted 1st line center. 

 

 

This is our so called unicorn. JB is our best chance to find this elusive creature. It may not be the 1st OA that everyone craves. There are many centers that were found across the first round and a few beyond.  

 

Some excellent potential to find one this year. 

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On 11/17/2016 at 8:14 PM, VancouverHabitant said:

College Free agents I believe will become the bread and butter of a successful franchise moving forward.  NCAA is definitely taking note of the Opportunity to play in Vancouver.  It was capitalized because over the last two seasons a pretty good AHLer would've been an injury away from being next up for the Canucks.  

 

Even though we're in a sad state of affairs, Jim Benning has stated on 1040 last year that we are consciously trying to provide and market the opportunity when you suck   to come in and get a lot of minutes to the college free agents.  They are having more and more success in the NHL.  Don't think that the players aren't paying attention to the best guys from their own league and how they're doing in the NHL. 

 

 

In any case, I believe that our luck with Stetcher is not purely down to him being a BC guy but rather Benning managing our group categories well and having enough guys in the "expendable" category that can make room for someone that has the potential to break out in the NHL.  

 

 

All they need is a coach that knows what to do with such players.

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On 11/19/2016 at 9:50 AM, Pickly said:

Okay bud take 5. Nobody here is saying trade everyone and expects a championship calibre team to be built overnight. There are actually a lot of level headed, intelligent hockey fans here that understand what it typically takes to create a good team. What we are seeing from management is an inability to cut losses and move on. Their grand plan from when they were brought on board is failing and the prospect pool is pretty bare. What a lot of us see is a slowly sinking ship trying to stay afloat by patching up leaks with temporary fixes hoping help arrives before it's too late. Any half knowledgeable hockey fan can see the glass is half empty rather than half full despite the bull crap Benning and Linden keep trying to ram down our throats.

Define cut losses "exactly" like (whom) and why through away good pieces that we already have? And as a matter of fact there ARE lots of people saying rip and start over from scratch..  where have you been?  It's been all over, HERE, canucks army, province and sun newspapers, all the smaller rags that call themselves newspapers, sports writers, and news writers. Where do you think people swallow it and twist it a bit and spew it in here from?  Seriously??? 

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On 11/18/2016 at 6:27 PM, X-PatLostInEdm said:


 

 

On 11/19/2016 at 9:50 AM, Pickly said:

Okay bud take 5. Nobody here is saying trade everyone and expects a championship calibre team to be built overnight. There are actually a lot of level headed, intelligent hockey fans here that understand what it typically takes to create a good team. What we are seeing from management is an inability to cut losses and move on. Their grand plan from when they were brought on board is failing and the prospect pool is pretty bare. What a lot of us see is a slowly sinking ship trying to stay afloat by patching up leaks with temporary fixes hoping help arrives before it's too late. Any half knowledgeable hockey fan can see the glass is half empty rather than half full despite the bull crap Benning and Linden keep trying to ram down our throats.

 We have more NHL caliber prospects in our sytem than weve had in years thanks to Benning an Linden all they had when coming was Horvat thats it now we have Strecher, Trymakin,Hutton, Baer yes id give 2nd for him again, Granland, Demeko ,Juilenov, Labate, Boesner Virtanen, Gudbranson. Id say in three years there doing a fine job. Sure I dont like the coaches decesions but hey were an exciting team to watch this year besides a 4 game stretch were only getting better.What did the other regime ever draft. Im glad Benning is nt listening to you an all these other intelligent fans you speak of.

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