LaBamba Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 1 minute ago, oldnews said: Hmmm. The difference in LE is a 6.5% shooting percentage vs 16.3% - and that's not just net traffic, it's also a large measure of hitting the glass instead of the corners of the net and will level out imo. But you have a valid point that the team needs more net front presence in general - and a couple of our dirtier area guys aren't there - Virtanen, Honey Badger. Perhaps that's an area where you might be underestimating Boone Jenner? But we do activate our D a fair amount particularly pinching to maintain possession and depending on our forwards to support if those pinches fail. Not gonna lie though - I love Stecher - he's quick witted and fearless - and Tryamkin has a cannon - and they'll help in the work in progress. LE's shooting % is lower because his shots are under pressure and he can't get to the front because of the box. I will go out on a limb and say that unless you score all of your goals off the rush, you cannot score unless you have a legitimate shooting or rushing threat at the point. One of the most offensively talented teams in the league last season. The Edmonton Oilers, could not score any other way but on the rush because they had an AHL D. The Sedins won freakin scoring titles with Erhoff and Salo back there, do you really think the Sedins changed that much?! Or did their options at the point change? We can't keep throwing over paid wingers at this problem. We gotta just suck it up and draft PMD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, JamesB said: . This kind of thinking is why Benning is regarded by many people in the hockey world as one of the worst GMs in the NHL. You're not representing Benning's thinking however - you really have no ability to speak for what he's thinking - what you've propped up instead is a straw Jim - and anyone can one up a strawman wadr. What a young player "could be" is all any team has to hang their hat on where their young players are concerned - so I'll expect you likewise poopoo the idea that Toronto, Edmonton, etc and the 'analytical' empires in Phoenix or Florida have done anything at all, other than line up some "could bes". 6 of one. That worst GM in the NHL has done what he has however without lottery wins - something folks like yourself might have to reckon with in the future if his "could bes" become anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 20 minutes ago, JamesB said: I think this is a terrible idea right now. To the extent that Benning has a rebuilding strategy it was to get some good young goalies in the system then build from the defence out. While I am not impressed by the implementation of the rebuild, Benning has added to the defensive pipeline. Hutton, Juolevi, Stecher, Tryamkin and Brisebois are young guys who could be very good and Gudbranson could still improve (and I hope he does because right now he is just a borderline #4 defensive defenceman). But the emphasis is on could. None of those guys has shown that they are solid top 4 D-men yet. Hutton and Guddy have struggled in a top 4 role this year and have certainly not been good enough to be a second pairing on a good team. Third pairing, yes, second pairing no. Pedan seems to have fallen well down the depth chart. Stecher has looked good but we are still looking at a small sample and he has come back to earth a bit after a hot start. The long, hard NHL season will start to wear him down (as it does with all young players). There is potential here. Several of those guys could become solid top pairing D-men and maybe even legitimate top-of-depth-chart guys. But there are no guarantees and it would crazy to get overconfident or complacent about the D now. Sacrificing a top prospect now for a forward who only has a year two before turning UFA (like Evander Kane) is a terrible idea. Trading Sbisa for Kane is fine (and there are rumours that this was offered and, of course, turned down). But I would not even go for Sbisa and a second round pick for Kane. He is overpaid and poison off the ice and in the "room". Why the Canucks are trying to add to their already long list of problems is beyond me. This kind of thinking is why Benning is regarded by many people in the hockey world as one of the worst GMs in the NHL. Totally agree with your take on Kane and would add that the canucks do not have the depth to take a gamble on Kane. I would not be anxious to deal a young d-prospect but would consider moving Edler or Tanev. When saying that I am assuming a good return. I am comfortable in doing this as the re-build will take a few years. The d-core this year is truly progressing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 22 minutes ago, LaBamba said: The Sedins won freakin scoring titles with Erhoff and Salo back there, do you really think the Sedins changed that much?! Or did their options at the point change? We can't keep throwing over paid wingers at this problem. We gotta just suck it up and draft PMD. I've been beating this drum far longer than you LB but change doesn't occur overnight. Juolevi, Stetcher, Hutton can all move the puck but Hutton is the old grey mare of the group at a whopping 23. This is going to take time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, J.R. said: I've been beating this drum far longer than you LB but change doesn't occur overnight. Juolevi, Stetcher, Hutton can all move the puck but Hutton is the old grey mare of the group at a whopping 23. This is going to take time. And? Should we throw more wingers at our scoring problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, LaBamba said: And? Should we throw more wingers at our scoring problems? No, we're just also going to need good, young wingers moving forward as well. And more forwards with better finish is not going to hurt either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 13 minutes ago, J.R. said: I've been beating this drum far longer than you LB but change doesn't occur overnight. Juolevi, Stetcher, Hutton can all move the puck but Hutton is the old grey mare of the group at a whopping 23. This is going to take time. Indeed many of us have noted the effect on the offense and PP since losing the likes of Ehrhoff and Salo, and likewise were specifically optimistic going into this year with Hutton, Larsen, and Stecher. It's something that the team has doubtless recognized as well, and tried to stopgap last year with Weber and Bartkowski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 13 minutes ago, J.R. said: No, we're just also going to need good, young wingers moving forward as well. And more forwards with better finish is not going to hurt either. How many players have finish inside that collapse infront of the net? Maybe 5 in the league? That is what I'm trying to explain. It isn't that we don't have players with finish it's that they are constantly under pressure or forced to the outside. This is why there are no rebound goals either. I really don't know how else you could solve it. It is so bad on the power that it's unwatchable. I almost have to leave the room. I hope we evolve into a team with a rusher and a shooter on each pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 2 hours ago, EmilyM said: Totally. I like his very informal style. It almost seems like he has to tell himself subconsciously not to say too much because otherwise he'd just shoot the breeze with you with exactly what's on his mind. "Hey Jim, with the depth, it looks like you would likely need to move a defenseman in a trade if you're looking to add offense" The vast majority of GMs would likely not want to go into specifics of what he's looking to move. But Jim is all, "Yeah, we'd look to moving a defenseman to add a forward" Its like having Clint Eastwood as your GM. The dirty harry one, not the older strangely right wing one. Apparently the deal for Kane is off as per Bob Mackenzie twitter. Good for Jim, he's willing to try to bring Kane home but he won't overpay to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great 8 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I see Tanev as the only defencemen that could be moved. If he is traded we need a young scoring winger in return. Idk who's available right now but I definetly don't want Kane. Is landeskog still available? Maybe Drouin? I really don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanisleryan Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 6 hours ago, S'all Good Man said: Yah I think Willie's not going anywhere for a while yet. I was really hoping to see what a different coach would do with this team, but oh well. The best coach in the league might be able to squeak us into the playoffs to get knocked out in the first round. ....no thanks Im happy to keep Willie this year and get the loser prize in June. Besides when we fire him after the season better coaches will be available in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 9 minutes ago, LaBamba said: How many players have finish inside that collapse infront of the net? Maybe 5 in the league? That is what I'm trying to explain. It isn't that we don't have players with finish it's that they are constantly under pressure or forced to the outside. This is why there are no rebound goals either. I really don't know how else you could solve it. It is so bad on the power that it's unwatchable. I almost have to leave the room. I hope we evolve into a team with a rusher and a shooter on each pair. Were you expecting that actually achieved this year? We'll just have to hope our new emerging D core with the likes of Juolevi, Tryamkin, Stetcher, Hutton, Gudbranson, Brisebois etc are up to the task in a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, The Great 8 said: I see Tanev as the only defencemen that could be moved. If he is traded we need a young scoring winger in return. Idk who's available right now but I definetly don't want Kane. Is landeskog still available? Maybe Drouin? I really don't know. According to Dater, Landeskog was never available. Sakic when he hired Bednar listed Landeskog as part of his core. It's Roy that wanted a shake-up of the team not Sakic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, Vanisleryan said: The best coach in the league might be able to squeak us into the playoffs to get knocked out in the first round. ....no thanks Im happy to keep Willie this year and get the loser prize in June. Besides when we fire him after the season better coaches will be available in the summer. I'm leaning that way too. I tend to like to watch individual efforts anyway so I've already kind of written off this season from a playoff pov, and am having fun watching Bo and Tryamkin turn into beasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 7 hours ago, S'all Good Man said: Say what you want about Jimbo, the man doesn't dodge a tough question. I agree, he is a straight shooter and just keeps moving forward regardless of all the noise. As much as I get frustrated with WD sometimes I think the patience TL and JB have shown will pay off in the long term with respect to stability for the younger players. If you look at the goalie situation and the situation on the defence, things look solid moving forward. Hopefully he can lock down some serious offensive talent over the next two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 One year ago our d was in major need of new blood. Fixed most of that problem already so no reason to not go after the forwards now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theilluminati Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 7 hours ago, S'all Good Man said: Well, maybe he should be. Its easy to say "trade the twins" "blow it up" and all that, but reality is hard. Plus you have to have leadership and at least some kind of competitiveness to rebuild a team. Is OEL really benefitting from being with AZ, or is he going to flee to a contender at his 1st chance? This year has been more painful to watch than last year, but I also think the kids are picking up some good habits, particularly work ethic. I don't see a whiff of the laziness that plagued Edmonton for years, or the lack of defensive responsibility that is the Leafs this year. So its ugly, but a good ugly? Does that make sense? The Leafs have given up one more goal on the season than the Canucks. If the Leafs have a "lack of defensive responsibility" then clearly the Canucks do as well. But I'm sure you'll do your best to 'Nucksplain how its injuries or WD's deployment or some other spin to fit your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 1 hour ago, LaBamba said: And? Should we throw more wingers at our scoring problems? I think your new sig will cause Terretts if you look at it too long. The banana guy looked friendly at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Sport Guru Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 8 hours ago, LimitedEdition said: He sounds like such a, like, slug. -1 (is that allowed?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I like Brandon Saad. He can really skate and has a nice release. The Canucks should get him for Tanev or Virtanen or Subban in a trade package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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