Crabcakes Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Stelar said: Do people really think there is a big issue here? He needed to come back and get his stuff if he is having an extended stay in Utica. Do you think a trainer is going to go into his place and pack all his clothes and personal items for a long stay in Utica and courier them to him? It's the NHL folks. He gets a flight home to have a practice, pack his $&!# and head back. No real mystery here. That's where he should be playing. Not really. Jake makes almost $900K. Even with escrow, his cheques are probably as much or more than most of us make in half a year. Surely he could afford to pick up a couple pairs of jeans and underwear etc but no matter. It's the optics. Really, this episode gives us insight into how the Canuck brass communicates. I think that Jim recognizes the importance of having his team on the same page but he is such a hands on guy in terms of scouting (both amateur and pro) that he gets away form the running of the company. Growing pains I would suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Kane is not the answer. If Benning trades Hutton or Tanev for Kane I think I might actually die of heartache. Sbisa and a b prospect at best. Kane has a huge cap hit, no production, a big mouth, a bad attitude, and legal problems. Buffalo should give him to us for free or pay us to take that headache off their hands. He is actually starting to look like write off material now even though he is still pretty young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Owl Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 7 hours ago, EmilyM said: Totally. I like his very informal style. It almost seems like he has to tell himself subconsciously not to say too much because otherwise he'd just shoot the breeze with you with exactly what's on his mind. "Hey Jim, with the depth, it looks like you would likely need to move a defenseman in a trade if you're looking to add offense" The vast majority of GMs would likely not want to go into specifics of what he's looking to move. But Jim is all, "Yeah, we'd look to moving a defenseman to add a forward" This is not trading pokemon cards with schoolmates. You are dealing with a team of highly paid professionals that make it their business to know what every team needs, their weaknesses etc. There are noo secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Alflives said: "If I only had a brain" Thats the straw-man from my generation. I actually auditioned for that part. I still don't see why I didn't get that role - stupid Ray Bolger and his fancy footwork. I dance on his grave. It's because you look like Toto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I'd rather JB try and brew up a monster deal similar to the McCann for Gudbranson deal and get us back some quality offence rather than this bandaid wild card in Kane. With Stecher and Tryamkin playing as well as they are so far, we've got some pieces. Subban, Edler and Tanev are the obvious trade baits in that order hopefully. Don't know if Hutton is ready to shoulder 1st pairing left sided defensive minutes but if we trade Tanev, I think Gudbranson and Stecher are more than capable of eating up top-4 minutes themselves. We should really give Subban an NHL shot though to be able to assess what assets we have before making a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Run n Gun Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I get the feeling that Big Jim is in denial about the team he has iced... This is probably going to be a problem for his whole term as GM, unless he can do a real honest assessment of what he has as a team Maybe, as a fan base, we should expect to have the tires spinning in the mud for a few more years under Benning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 15 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said: I am not naive enough to think Desjardins is the only problem but he is a problem for sure. His decisions are counter productive to what this team needs to do. If you are going to ride the Sedins then ffs put Eriksson with them and leave him there to find his way. Get him on the PP with them too because he is a better bet presence than anyone he uses in that role. Double shifting Jack Skille ffs????? He is a throwaway much like Vey was before him. Give the opportunity to people who can maybe do something with it and who are in the plans of the team going forward. This Blows my mind the team sorry coaching is mismanaging Eriksson and the twins. They have chemistry let them play through it lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 4 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said: Kane is not the answer. If Benning trades Hutton or Tanev for Kane I think I might actually die of heartache. Sbisa and a b prospect at best. Kane has a huge cap hit, no production, a big mouth, a bad attitude, and legal problems. Buffalo should give him to us for free or pay us to take that headache off their hands. He is actually starting to look like write off material now even though he is still pretty young. Absolutely. Kane is not worth the investment from our end. His cap hit alone is a huge risk to take for a guy who has been injured a lot, inconsistent, with a bad attitude and has had some unsavoury legal troubles. That being said, he is still worth kicking the tires on. But for Sbisa and a pick/prospect. Side note, If the pizza man is moved we have to start playing Biega so he qualifies for the expansion draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 17 minutes ago, Run n Gun said: I get the feeling that Big Jim is in denial about the team he has iced... This is probably going to be a problem for his whole term as GM, unless he can do a real honest assessment of what he has as a team Maybe, as a fan base, we should expect to have the tires spinning in the mud for a few more years under Benning No, JB is right he has built a team that on paper should compete and bring in some quality youth to continue developing. Problem is they can't be a " competing team ", " rebuilding team " and " wildcard team " all at the same time. They are trying and it seems along with errors noticed by an average fan ( me lol ) at the coaching level it is simply pushing the team further away from adding top end franchise type youth at the top couple picks in the draft while not providing a winning atmosphere by missing the Playoffs. Majority of the fans don't want a wildcard team. We'd like to rebuild a team with quality players and do it right and then develop into a Playoff team. I don't care if the Canucks come in at 8th at the end of the year to get blown out by the Ducks or something. What has that proved ? other than yay! ownership while losing more and more of the fan base and fan loyalty ( costing home game ticket revenue) added Playoff revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 2 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: I'd rather JB try and brew up a monster deal similar to the McCann for Gudbranson deal and get us back some quality offence rather than this bandaid wild card in Kane. With Stecher and Tryamkin playing as well as they are so far, we've got some pieces. Subban, Edler and Tanev are the obvious trade baits in that order hopefully. Don't know if Hutton is ready to shoulder 1st pairing left sided defensive minutes but if we trade Tanev, I think Gudbranson and Stecher are more than capable of eating up top-4 minutes themselves. We should really give Subban an NHL shot though to be able to assess what assets we have before making a trade. I would be adverse to a big trade. Big if, it all depends on what's coming back our way. I wonder if Tanev can play the left side? He and Gudbranson could be an excellent shut down pairing, Ice Edler with Stecher and play Hutton with Trymakin/Sbisa. This could also make one of our left defenders more tradable. Plus it may give us a better defence to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 5 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said: Kane is not the answer. If Benning trades Hutton or Tanev for Kane I think I might actually die of heartache. Sbisa and a b prospect at best. Kane has a huge cap hit, no production, a big mouth, a bad attitude, and legal problems. Buffalo should give him to us for free or pay us to take that headache off their hands. He is actually starting to look like write off material now even though he is still pretty young. This is false. Do you follow Kane's progress or do you simply just read the tabloids and conclude that "he's a write off?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 16 hours ago, oldnews said: Interesting point about being a west coast team developing young players - without the lack of practice time that eastern teams have - and the extra exhaustion that a young player faces in a typical Canuck schedule. Thought that was a very interesting take as well... Haven't heard this being discussed before, but definitely has a point. Hard to practice during flights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 8 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said: Kane is not the answer. If Benning trades Hutton or Tanev for Kane I think I might actually die of heartache. Sbisa and a b prospect at best. Kane has a huge cap hit, no production, a big mouth, a bad attitude, and legal problems. Buffalo should give him to us for free or pay us to take that headache off their hands. He is actually starting to look like write off material now even though he is still pretty young. Really? You can say all that against a player AND STILL think there is a deal we should/could make. You should have left it at your first sentence which imo was spot on. I couldn't stomach Kane here and I hope there is no way JB does either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: This Blows my mind the team sorry coaching is mismanaging Eriksson and the twins. They have chemistry let them play through it lol. They have chemistry? Really? Sutter looks much better with the Sedins and no one should have to wonder why. The guy is more physical, faster, a grafter and looks to have a higher hockey IQ than Loui. Hell Loui and the Sedins have never looked that great for Sweden recently either, that's one of the reasons I didn't want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Fan 0727 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 5 hours ago, guntrix said: This is false. Do you follow Kane's progress or do you simply just read the tabloids and conclude that "he's a write off?" You do realize that Kane has played 6 games, has 1 secondary assist, and is a -6 right? Not sure how we would trade for him unless Buffalo eats some of his cap hit. I wouldn't give up Spiza for him straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Run n Gun Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 6 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: No, JB is right he has built a team that on paper should compete and bring in some quality youth to continue developing. Problem is they can't be a " competing team ", " rebuilding team " and " wildcard team " all at the same time. They are trying and it seems along with errors noticed by an average fan ( me lol ) at the coaching level it is simply pushing the team further away from adding top end franchise type youth at the top couple picks in the draft while not providing a winning atmosphere by missing the Playoffs. Majority of the fans don't want a wildcard team. We'd like to rebuild a team with quality players and do it right and then develop into a Playoff team. I don't care if the Canucks come in at 8th at the end of the year to get blown out by the Ducks or something. What has that proved ? other than yay! ownership while losing more and more of the fan base and fan loyalty ( costing home game ticket revenue) added Playoff revenue. In my opinion it is very important for a management team to have a clear goal. theres a huge difference in coming in last when you're a retooling team vs a rebuilding team JB's moves all were done with a retool in mind. I hated 90% of the moves so far with this management group I'd accept the Nucks in last place if that was really the plan i.e. rebuild on paper everybody else knew the Nucks are a bottom dwelling team only management and a part of our fan base couldn't see it how can can you trust a GM to push this team to contender status if he doesn't know what a playoff competing team looks like? thats what I meant when I said JB really isn't aware of what team he's really iced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 12 hours ago, messier's_elbow said: I'm pro Benning as of right now. Even though I hated the Eriksson signing... But my faith in JB will be extinguished if they trade for Kane. Unless it's a fleecing I'm 100% against trading for him. I think that is fair. I do not like the direction he has picked, but if you evaluate him based on the what he has done to rebuild the 22-28 "core" adding guys like Sutter, Guddy, Dorsette, Granlund and Beartschi are solid moves for sure. His drafting has been very strong, however, I would like to see him get more picks so he can make use this strength. It is not JB's fault Ericcsson is struggling. But I fear he will make a move out of despiration and that kane will come in here and play like booth and have the off ice issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Comet Fan 0727 said: You do realize that Kane has played 6 games, has 1 secondary assist, and is a -6 right? Not sure how we would trade for him unless Buffalo eats some of his cap hit. I wouldn't give up Spiza for him straight up. Not that I want Kane unless he doesn't cost much but 6 games is a rather small sample size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 4 hours ago, alfstonker said: Really? You can say all that against a player AND STILL think there is a deal we should/could make. You should have left it at your first sentence which imo was spot on. I couldn't stomach Kane here and I hope there is no way JB does either. I wasn't suggesting Benning trade for him because like you I don't want Kane here. I was saying hypothetically if Benning does (because I am actually pretty concerned that he does) he better not overpay for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelar Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 12 hours ago, Crabcakes said: Not really. Jake makes almost $900K. Even with escrow, his cheques are probably as much or more than most of us make in half a year. Surely he could afford to pick up a couple pairs of jeans and underwear etc but no matter. It's the optics. Really, this episode gives us insight into how the Canuck brass communicates. I think that Jim recognizes the importance of having his team on the same page but he is such a hands on guy in terms of scouting (both amateur and pro) that he gets away form the running of the company. Growing pains I would suggest. Plus the fact that I think Linden was in TO for the Pat Quinn induction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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