Pears Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 47 minutes ago, billabong said: If you rip tanev out of our D it becomes drastically worse. hutton is the guy to move. Easier move to make to flip him for a 20 year old top 9 forward Debateable. With how well Stecher has played we've really been fine without Tanev. 1 hour ago, 'NucK™ said: puljujarvi would just be a risky trade as we'd be including a good prospect / picks in that as well. doubt edm is looking to trade him the later trade I kinda hope Edler is worth more than that :/ also they probably won't trade him within the division Maybe a trade around Tanev for Puljujarvi since he should've been ours in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, Pears said: Debateable. With how well Stecher has played we've really been fine without Tanev. Maybe a trade around Tanev for Puljujarvi since he should've been ours in the first place? Jake Virtanen conditional 3rd/ Jordan Subban maybe for Anthony Duclair? He is fast and is a natural goal 20 goal scorer but right now he is going through something of a sophomore slump and the Coyotes are dangling him for the right price. Sedin-Sedin-Sutter Duclair-Horvat-Ericsson Baertschi-Granlund-Rodin Burrows-Guance-Hansen Dorsett Waive Skille Edler-Gudbranson Hutton-Stecher Tryamkin- Tanev Pedan,Biega Trade Larsen and Sbisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Chip Kelly said: Jake Virtanen conditional 3rd/ Jordan Subban maybe for Anthony Duclair? He is fast and is a natural goal 20 goal scorer but right now he is going through something of a sophomore slump and the Coyotes are dangling him for the right price. Sedin-Sedin-Sutter Duclair-Horvat-Ericsson Baertschi-Granlund-Rodin Burrows-Guance-Hansen Dorsett Waive Skille Edler-Gudbranson Hutton-Stecher Tryamkin- Tanev Pedan,Biega Trade Larsen and Sbisa I really don't want to trade Virtanen. Just because knowing our luck Neely 2.0 will happen. Like he's only 20, so we have to be patient with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, Pears said: I really don't want to trade Virtanen. Just because knowing our luck Neely 2.0 will happen. Like he's only 20, so we have to be patient with him. Sven Beartschi plus Jordan Subban maybe for Anthony Duclair? 2016 Sedin-Sedin-Sutter Duclair-Horvat-Ericsson Rodin-Granlund-Hansen Burrows-Guance-Virtanen Dorsett Waive Skille Edler-Gudbranson Hutton-Tanev Tryamkin-Stecher Sbisa,Biega Trade Larsen. 2017 Sedin-Sedin-Sutter Duclair-Horvat-Boeser Ericsson-Granlund-Rodin Labate-Guance-Virtanen Dorsett Edler-Stecher Hutton-Tryamkin Juolevi-Gudbranson Pedan, Biega Trade Tanev for a top prospect, young player, or 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 27 minutes ago, Chip Kelly said: Sven Beartschi plus Jordan Subban maybe for Anthony Duclair? 2016 Sedin-Sedin-Sutter Duclair-Horvat-Ericsson Rodin-Granlund-Hansen Burrows-Guance-Virtanen Dorsett Waive Skille Edler-Gudbranson Hutton-Tanev Tryamkin-Stecher Sbisa,Biega Trade Larsen. 2017 Sedin-Sedin-Sutter Duclair-Horvat-Boeser Ericsson-Granlund-Rodin Labate-Guance-Virtanen Dorsett Edler-Stecher Hutton-Tryamkin Juolevi-Gudbranson Pedan, Biega Trade Tanev for a top prospect, young player, or 1st round pick. Yea that's definetly something I'd be willing to do. Duclair probably fits Benning's vision of this team better than Baertschi too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrix Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 The Case for Alexander Edler Pros: He has been a consistent top pairing puck moving D in his career Both Hutton and Juolevi are younger and duplicates much of Edler's skill set With $5,000,000 Cap hit, it's easier to take back young forwards on their 2nd contract Good D on the market are hard to find Cons: NTC must be waived Less veteran presence in the locker room If traded for a young player on their first contract, need to take on additional salary Had a few bad games this season, doesn't look himself, might not get full value Potential Buyers: ARZ - Bottom 3 in GAPG this season. 18 year old Chychrun not only made the team, but is their 2nd pairing LD. COL - They need help on the left side of their D. Young and Up coming team where their young core should take the next step. DAL - Their 1st pairing LD is Dan Hamhuis. They need help. EDM - The idea here is that Darnell Nurse will eventually be the guy on the left side. Larsen and Russell in the off-season helped the right side. Still need some help. PHI - Dead last in GAPG. Yep, needs help. Potential Returns: ARZ - They have enough young winger to fill 2 teams. Both Domi and DuClair might be targets, however since they are both on their 1st contracts. Which means Canucks might need to take back additional salary. However, there might not be a lot to take back, Coyotes has been taking on bad contracts to get young players in trades. They GMs might need to do some math for a deal to happen. On top of the the Coyotes is still sitting in the bottom of the league now, I don't know if it's their goal to start competing this very season. Motivation. If Dance partner is not motivated, hard to get something cheap. COL - Here's a team with motivation. Their core has reached an age where they need to be good, but in reality they are still in the bottom of their division. That's why the Landeskog, Duchene rumors are flying like crazy. 2 teams that has motivation to make something happen. I personally don't think they'll give up those real core players for Edler. Jost is possible. Rantanen is also possible. I also like the idea of taking Colborne, and a pick back? or Would they be willing to trade Iginla's Capspace to us? Well, given that Landeskog and Duchene are both out, Aves probably wants to re-evaluate when those 2 are in the line up before they act. Like how Benning wanted Tyson Barry in the summer, and they just kept on going side way? Yeah, they are just as slow at making decisions as our own JB. DAL - A cup contender trying to stay alive with injuries. Edler for Hamhuis, Hurdler and the rights to Nichushkin. Hamhuis would be furious. EDM - They are not as desperate as summer and since they are winning a fair share of games,the Oilers can play the wait game for a better price. Nugent-Hopkins seems like the easiest trade to make. Eberle's name has been metioned. Rienheart+Benson+Neimelainen+Caggiula Package? Unless they are willing to do Pujajarvi, none of the above players fit JB's vision of a scoring LW with grit, but again, what's the hurry? Let's see how desperate JB gets. PHI - Another team trying to figure out what is wrong with their team. Brayden Schenn is a piece, I don't know if the Flyers wants to move him. Couturier is another one. I prefer Couturier. They do have 10 picks piled in the 2017 draft. That doesn't sound like a team preparing for things to go side ways. Hum... Do they really have the motivation to make a move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydog Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Trade Edler . Do what they need to do to get it done. All this talk of how a winning environment is needed for our youth to learn and excel , yet all i see is trade Tanev for this and or that.Why now? Do we all think Tanev's stock is gonna drop this year?All of a sudden he's Edler?He is not showing any decline at all. Wait on rodin, kick the can around on a trade using assets that are taking up space at the moment . Dont trade away those who give us a chance to win for the sake of a quick stop gap now. If at the end of the year or when a team comes to us looking at Tanev and it makes sense for the future , do the trade have the upper hand. Minor trades larson,subban ,those that wont crack the line up any time soon,let trader Jim show what he truly knows about scouting talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 43 minutes ago, Dannydog said: Trade Edler . Do what they need to do to get it done. All this talk of how a winning environment is needed for our youth to learn and excel , yet all i see is trade Tanev for this and or that.Why now? Do we all think Tanev's stock is gonna drop this year?All of a sudden he's Edler?He is not showing any decline at all. Wait on rodin, kick the can around on a trade using assets that are taking up space at the moment . Dont trade away those who give us a chance to win for the sake of a quick stop gap now. If at the end of the year or when a team comes to us looking at Tanev and it makes sense for the future , do the trade have the upper hand. Minor trades larson,subban ,those that wont crack the line up any time soon,let trader Jim show what he truly knows about scouting talent. Just because Tanev is easier to move, doesn't mean he should be moved. Ask Edler for a list of teams. He knows then management wants to look at moving him. That might be motivator to get him to waive. Especially if it's a team he wouldn't mind going to. (Montreal? Winnipeg?) The downside of Montreal is they'd want to trade Emelin who is even more as inconsistent and he too has a NMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Just because Tanev is easier to move, doesn't mean he should be moved. Ask Edler for a list of teams. He knows then management wants to look at moving him. That might be motivator to get him to waive. Especially if it's a team he wouldn't mind going to. (Montreal? Winnipeg?) The downside of Montreal is they'd want to trade Emelin who is even more as inconsistent and he too has a NMC. Trading Tanev, or Edler is a rebuilding move, so it won't happen. What should happen: trade one (or both) and collect young assets and picks. Plus, trading either of those guarantees us a top five draft pick. It's a win now and a win at the draft:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Trading Tanev, or Edler is a rebuilding move, so it won't happen. What should happen: trade one (or both) and collect young assets and picks. Plus, trading either of those guarantees us a top five draft pick. It's a win now and a win at the draft:) Edler is an example of a very inconsistent d-man. He has all the tools, just no tool box. I don't know if he suffers from sleep apnea or something, because he's either way too comfortable, or just he doesn't have motivation. He's a Jekyll/Hyde d-man. One minute he looks Norris Calibre. Hits everything that moves, blocks, scores goals. Next minute the puck is like a hand grenade. He can't hold the blue line, and blows his assignments. I don't know if his confidence/back issues/worried he'll injure his back, or just plain laziness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Edler is an example of a very inconsistent d-man. He has all the tools, just no tool box. I don't know if he suffers from sleep apnea or something, because he's either way too comfortable, or just he doesn't have motivation. He's a Jekyll/Hyde d-man. One minute he looks Norris Calibre. Hits everything that moves, blocks, scores goals. Next minute the puck is like a hand grenade. He can't hold the blue line, and blows his assignments. I don't know if his confidence/back issues/worried he'll injure his back, or just plain laziness. I think I remember .Edler saying a few years ago that he accepted his back was going to be an ongoing issue, that he would have to play with. I think you're right; it's a back thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Sbisa is looking good out there. I was at the Hawks game and have to say he looks good with Tryamkin. I would trade Edler or Tanev for the right forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 13 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: Tanev for Saad? Hear about Canucks interest in this guy. what would it cost? Personally Id consider making a trade of Tanev to the lightning for one of their young offensive guys. Where did you hear that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, SwedeHockey said: Where did you hear that? It's been talked about on the radio TSN 1040. Rumour stuff, that Saad is in Torts' doghouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 12 minutes ago, Alflives said: It's been talked about on the radio TSN 1040. Rumour stuff, that Saad is in Torts' doghouse. I've thought of this before, and it would certainly be interested from a fan's perspective. I would add the necessary pieces to get him. He's not a guy who will do it himself, but a 30 goal scorer playing beside Horvat wouldn't take too much time to get familiar with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydog Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Just because Tanev is easier to move, doesn't mean he should be moved. Ask Edler for a list of teams. He knows then management wants to look at moving him. That might be motivator to get him to waive. Especially if it's a team he wouldn't mind going to. (Montreal? Winnipeg?) The downside of Montreal is they'd want to trade Emelin who is even more as inconsistent and he too has a NMC. Sit him ... maybe that will motivate him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Alflives said: It's been talked about on the radio TSN 1040. Rumour stuff, that Saad is in Torts' doghouse. Edler for Boone Jenner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrix Posted November 21, 2016 Author Share Posted November 21, 2016 The Case for Chris Tanev Pros: He is the best defensive D in the game right now Still considered young and just entering his prime Very tradable contract Right shot D is the most rare commodity in the market right now and and bring back the most value out of all our trade pieces In the 12 games he didn't play this year, Canucks combined 44 GA, that's a 3.67 GAPG, dead last in the NHL and was 3-8-1 Cons: He is hurt and usually under valued in trade talks We are over loaded more at LD not RD Young guys would benefit and learn from playing with him At equal value, players coming back that are currently on their 2nd contracts probably means Canucks need to take on salary In the 7 games he played this year, Canucks combined 17 GA, that's 2.42 GAPG, 11th in the NHL and was 4-2-1 (The numbers would have been even better if you discount the MTL game he forced himself back playing hurt.) Potential Buyers: BOS - Chara is 39 and they are thin on RD. Rumors had the Bruins looked hard for a D in the off season DAL - Their 2nd paring RD is a 24 year old with 30 games of NHL experience EDM - see case for Edler NYR - One of the best teams in the league right now has a hole on the right side in their top 4. Rumor of Fowler didn't materialize. PHI - see case for Edler TOR - Up coming young team that needs some veteran presence and help on the right side. WPG - Tanev brothers unite and they need help on D. Not quite sure what that whole Trouba thing was about, but I don't think it's over. Won't be surprised if Trouba is gone by TDL and his RD spot is replaced with someone with a tamer agent. Potential Returns: BOS - They are a play-off team that's trying to win now. However, they are still in the top 5 in GAPG this season. Not sure how motivated they are to make a move Possible target is Pastrnak? I don't know if I see a lot of pieces that fits the Canuck's needs right now from their roster DAL - Rights to Nichushkin probably not enough return for Tanev. Is Seguin out of question? EDM - see case for Edler NYR - Zibanejad? Kreider? Miller? Vesey? No, probably not Vesey. PHI - Nothing short of Couturier. TOR - Would they part Nylander and Corrado to get older? Do the Leafs see themselves as having enough core pieces to grow older all of a sudden? Quesionable. They are probably more interested in Gudbranson then Tanev. WPG - Connor, Ehlers are both good pieces to target, but are any one of those two fair value for Tanev? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Gudbranson could be the odd man out if he plays hardball with new contract negotiations. He has been good but not over 5 million good in my opinion. Crazy prediction is gudbranson to flyers for konecny and a 2nd. Fans get upset because they feel Benning gave up more for guddy than what they received, but neglect the fact that Benning got one year of service out of Gudbranson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrix Posted November 21, 2016 Author Share Posted November 21, 2016 2016.11.22 update: The Case for Luca Sbisa Pros: He's playing well and could be at a sell high point Still relative young Canucks are at a surplus at LD Was a 1st round pick which means he has all the physical tools Cons: Not a top 4 D, lower return value. Difficult return a young top 6 forward Not every team wants a $3,600,000 bottom pairing D Teams that do homework would know he panics under pressure Potential Buyers: CGY - The Flames has been looking for depth on D for some time COL - Here's Colorado again. see case for Edler TOR - Could use an upgrade in their bottom pairing WAS - Play-off team carrying only 7 D. My guess is probably looking for a depth guy. Potential Returns: CGY - Wiesbrod knows the Flames prospect pool better than I do. Maybe he can pull another 23 year old out of the Flames system? Anyone want Shinkaruk back in Vancouver? COL - Obviously Sbisa won't return the same value as Edler. Colborne sounds fair? 19 goals last season helps. TOR - They have 3 second round picks in the 2017, but as for 20 goal scorers? Komarov had 19 last year, but he's 29 though. WAS - Not quite sure what to return. Young ones, Sanford maybe? Older guys, Eller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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