Makaramel MacKhiato Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 It started with the draft last year. The Canucks looked poised to have a top 3 pick, getting a foundational player that could quickly turn the tide on the direction the organization was headed. Unfortunately, the previous summer it was announced that the process of the draft lottery would change from one lottery pick, to 3. Canucks were surpassed by 2 other teams and wound up with Olli Juolevi, a defenseman with great potential and upside, but still not in the same talented boat as the other 3. The Canucks saw their best draft standing in a decade drop 2 spots, outside of the range to land a game-changing player. You could see the disappointment in ownership's faces as the order was being called out. This season, yet again, Canucks have found themselves victim to the NHL expansion. They know they have to sell and rebuild, but are handcuffed by the cap on protected players. Teams, who may have once been willing to trade draft picks, are much less likely to do so this year because trading draft picks for a player means that said player also needs to be protected and another roster player exposed. Either way, a roster player will be lost by potential trade partners. The Canucks are also victim to handcuffed from trading their own players. Players like Luca Sbisa, who can land a decent haul right now, have to be kept playing minimal minutes in order that they could be exposed over other roster players. The Canucks have their feet stuck in the mud and are drastically limited by the amount of changes that the NHL is making. What could've been a franchise prospect and a season to rebuild has been manipulated into a hopeful prospect and a season of watching and waiting, as we sit motionless until next season, watching out tradable assets lose their value as their production dwindles and their age increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 The same could be said of any problem in life: time is not your friend when you wait until the last minute to address it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 The league are a bunch of corrupt goofs who should be exposed they are just as bad as boxing used to be its disgusting that they would tarnish the game the way they are also treating the Canucks the way they do shows their classlessness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 It sucks, but it is what it is. With the Oilers taking so many #1's in such a short period of time it was inevitable something was going to give. Sadly they also benefited from the change and wound up with McJesus. We got burnt by it last draft though, definitely. And with Vegas coming in we're likely to be burnt by it again if we finish bottom three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FijianCanuck Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, EmilyM said: The same could be said of any problem in life: time is not your friend when you wait until the last minute to address it. Preach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Victims? You're obviously too young to remember the roulette wheel in the teams' very first draft. Nope. The Canucks are not victims. They're actually cursed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 The Canucks have never had good luck, that's just the way it is. You make do with what you have and try your best. We don't have a cup contending team, but we also don't have a bottom feeder team. The fact that we are where we are points to one guy and his name rhymes with chili and he should be freed very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 if we won the lottery then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Yes. Also remember how expensive TDL aquisitions used to be? 3rd line players, bottom pairing dmen , and backup goalies would go for a 2nd. We paid a 2nd for Noronen who was a 3rd string goalie with only 4 games that year and got only a 3rd for Lack who was a starter on a playoff team with really solid numbers. Garbage players like Bartkowski and Weber would have easily fetched us a 3rd or 4th back in the mid-early 2000s. Hamhuis would have gone for a small randsom. We couldn't get a single pick back! In the old days we would have went into the draft with an extra 1st, 2nd, and probably 3 4th round picks (given deadline activity) plus we would have drafted 3rd overall. I agree - new times are far less friendly to teams trying to rebuild. We suck at the worst time ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFBR392 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 They're also the victim of just not being very good anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 If you look at the history of the Canucks, you will see that they have been jinxed since the first draft when they had to draft Dave Tallon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Cap management, free agency signings and player swaps would be the only solution to bad timing or curses correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Gotta d.i.y. in the end in life if you want to be successful anyhow. This franchise isn't cut out to be spoon fed anything. But before we feel too sorry for ourselves over draft position last year, let's wait and see what Juolevi becomes. I for one won't be lamenting that pick anytime soon. If I were going to cry about something, it would be for the Leafs - that they're stuck with Matthews when they could have had the best player in the draft lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 42 minutes ago, MJDDawg said: Victims? You're obviously too young to remember the roulette wheel in the teams' very first draft. Nope. The Canucks are not victims. They're actually cursed. What about when we were gonna draft Coffey at 7 but Edmonton took him instead at 6 so we drafted Rick Lanz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 On the bright side, Juolevi scored a goal today and has 14 points in 18 games. I'd like to wait and see what OJ becomes before I express grief about that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 The Canucks could have started the rebuild the year McDavid was drafted, or Matthews. They chose so sign Miller & Vrbata instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 51 minutes ago, EmilyM said: The same could be said of any problem in life: time is not your friend when you wait until the last minute to address it. Also read that, "luck is the place where preparation meets opportunity." Gotta read them tea leaves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 59 minutes ago, shattenkirk8 said: It started with the draft last year. The Canucks looked poised to have a top 3 pick, getting a foundational player that could quickly turn the tide on the direction the organization was headed. Unfortunately, the previous summer it was announced that the process of the draft lottery would change from one lottery pick, to 3. Canucks were surpassed by 2 other teams and wound up with Olli Juolevi, a defenseman with great potential and upside, but still not in the same talented boat as the other 3. The Canucks saw their best draft standing in a decade drop 2 spots, outside of the range to land a game-changing player. You could see the disappointment in ownership's faces as the order was being called out. This season, yet again, Canucks have found themselves victim to the NHL expansion. They know they have to sell and rebuild, but are handcuffed by the cap on protected players. Teams, who may have once been willing to trade draft picks, are much less likely to do so this year because trading draft picks for a player means that said player also needs to be protected and another roster player exposed. Either way, a roster player will be lost by potential trade partners. The Canucks are also victim to handcuffed from trading their own players. Players like Luca Sbisa, who can land a decent haul right now, have to be kept playing minimal minutes in order that they could be exposed over other roster players. The Canucks have their feet stuck in the mud and are drastically limited by the amount of changes that the NHL is making. What could've been a franchise prospect and a season to rebuild has been manipulated into a hopeful prospect and a season of watching and waiting, as we sit motionless until next season, watching out tradable assets lose their value as their production dwindles and their age increases. Juolevi could become better than PLD or Pool Party. So we don't know yet whether we were cursed or not. Dropping to 5 could actually turn out to be a blessing if Juolevi turns out to be OEL. As for the expansion draft we can easily trade Sbisa if we want to and get Biega to play his 19 games. Teams trying to win the Cup are not gonna worry about that one player they are gonna lose at the expansion draft. Their plans will not change. If we decide to be a seller at the deadline guys like Sbisa, Hansen and others can easily be traded to a Cup contender. We will have the cap space to take expiring contracts. As for players that need to be exposed the Canucks are one of the best teams right now in terms of being able to protect their top players. Only guys like Gaunce and Dorsett and Rodin would have to be exposed on the forward side and Sbisa, Biega and Pedan on defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 36 minutes ago, smokes said: If you look at the history of the Canucks, you will see that they have been jinxed since the first draft when they had to draft Dave Tallon. well we could have taken Leach, McLeish or Darryl Sittler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 35 minutes ago, shattenkirk8 said: It started with the draft last year. The Canucks looked poised to have a top 3 pick, getting a foundational player that could quickly turn the tide on the direction the organization was headed. Unfortunately, the previous summer it was announced that the process of the draft lottery would change from one lottery pick, to 3. Canucks were surpassed by 2 other teams and wound up with Olli Juolevi, a defenseman with great potential and upside, but still not in the same talented boat as the other 3. The Canucks saw their best draft standing in a decade drop 2 spots, outside of the range to land a game-changing player. You could see the disappointment in ownership's faces as the order was being called out. This season, yet again, Canucks have found themselves victim to the NHL expansion. They know they have to sell and rebuild, but are handcuffed by the cap on protected players. Teams, who may have once been willing to trade draft picks, are much less likely to do so this year because trading draft picks for a player means that said player also needs to be protected and another roster player exposed. Either way, a roster player will be lost by potential trade partners. The Canucks are also victim to handcuffed from trading their own players. Players like Luca Sbisa, who can land a decent haul right now, have to be kept playing minimal minutes in order that they could be exposed over other roster players. The Canucks have their feet stuck in the mud and are drastically limited by the amount of changes that the NHL is making. What could've been a franchise prospect and a season to rebuild has been manipulated into a hopeful prospect and a season of watching and waiting, as we sit motionless until next season, watching out tradable assets lose their value as their production dwindles and their age increases. Conspiracy? No, I don't think you're suggesting that anyways. The Canucks will draft the player who they think that will benefit the team the most over the expected career of that player. The player who most fit the need was Juolevi. The defenseman with the most upside at the time. 5 months after the draft Matthews, Laine and Pulijarvi. The 3rd pick, DuBois and the 5th pick Juolevi have returned to their junior teams. The 6th pick, Tkachuk is playing for the Flames. Chychrun who was taken 16th by Arizona is playing. The rest are not. Should we be crying because Juolevi is in junior? No. Gimme a break. They draft for the player who they think will have the best career. Not who they think will make the NHL as a teenager. In fact, sometimes 1st OA picks don't turn out to be what was expected. We saw the Oilers trade 2 such players, Hall and Yakupov last summer. Please don't tell me that the Canucks are a special case. Every team must tailor their plans to whatever is going on with the league be it expansion, or lockouts, or compressed schedules or whatever. It goes with the territory. Every team has equal warning of what may be coming. It's all good. The Canucks will be fine. Give them time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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