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2 minutes ago, Baggins said:

 

Forsling became Sutter.

Yes, I agree - 5th/Forsling/Clendening - but I will acknowledge to the vocal Benning ciritcs that Forsling is probably worth more than Clendening, and was probably not Bennng's best move.   Reasonable enough at the time perhaps, and it was his own 5th in the first place to use/spend, but it may in hindsight be a gain of his that he subsequently lost, at least in part.  On the other hand, I love the Sutter deal, and I consider Stecher a huge recovery.

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3 hours ago, Gike Millis said:

But would you do it for Kane.....

 

Went to last Thursday's game to strictly watch Tryamkin. He is incredible live in person. Choppy skater at times but he is moving around a tree out there. Very smart with the puck and will start to get more creative and make the confident play more. Knows when to stay safe. 

Well he broke 40pts once (41pts) in the last few seasons. He has a whole 0 goals so far this season. Cancer in the locker room...

 

I think people massively over estimate this guy. He showed promise earlier on in his career, but the guy is 25 now with several seasons under his belt and his stock has done nothing but drop in recent years. I don't even really want that guy on the Canucks given his antics off the ice, so I'm glad the Canucks walked away.

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8 hours ago, VIC_CITY said:

I can't think of a time where we've had such amazing young defensemen. Hutton, Tryamkin and Stetcher all look like they have solid NHL careers ahead of them. Obviously I don't think we should trade any of them but I'm curious what everyone thinks their current value is.

 

Tryamkin looks like an absolute beast in the making. 

 

Stetcher looks like he has a shot at being one of the best offensive dmen this franchise has ever seen.

 

Hutton, who is currently the most established, might end up being the worst of the 3, which isn't a shot at him at all. 

 

So what do you guys think they're each worth right now and who do you think will turn out to be the best? 

 

It's still early but I'd have to guess that Tryamkin becomes the best of the 3. 

 

Let's hear it!

As per the current Canucks plans, Hutton, Tryamkin and Stetcher are unreadable.

 

Hutton has Doughty written all over him,

 

Tryamkin has Chara written all over him,

 

Stetcher will feed Boeser for years to come.

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4 hours ago, Moonshinefe said:

Well he broke 40pts once (41pts) in the last few seasons. He has a whole 0 goals so far this season. Cancer in the locker room...

 

I think people massively over estimate this guy. He showed promise earlier on in his career, but the guy is 25 now with several seasons under his belt and his stock has done nothing but drop in recent years. I don't even really want that guy on the Canucks given his antics off the ice, so I'm glad the Canucks walked away.

Is this post for real?

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9 hours ago, VIC_CITY said:

I can't think of a time where we've had such amazing young defensemen. Hutton, Tryamkin and Stetcher all look like they have solid NHL careers ahead of them. Obviously I don't think we should trade any of them but I'm curious what everyone thinks their current value is.

 

Tryamkin looks like an absolute beast in the making. 

 

Stetcher looks like he has a shot at being one of the best offensive dmen this franchise has ever seen.

 

Hutton, who is currently the most established, might end up being the worst of the 3, which isn't a shot at him at all. 

 

So what do you guys think they're each worth right now and who do you think will turn out to be the best? 

 

It's still early but I'd have to guess that Tryamkin becomes the best of the 3. 

 

Let's hear it!

 

I mean, I'm excited that we have talented, young defensemen in the making....but I think using amazing and best offensive dmen of this franchise is a little too optimistic.

 

I mean Stetcher is playing well for a rookie, but he's not breaking any offensive record yet.  He has a long way to go to be considered better than Jovo, Ohlund and Lumme and I wouldn't bet too much money that he'll have better numbers than Edler and Salo too. 

 

They have good potential, but none of them is going to be a #1 defenseman in the likes of Doughty, Keith, Weber, Pietrangelo, Letang, Burns, Karlsson, Subban.

 

As for their value...they are not even close to what the Jets could fetch for Trouba.   They are not high profile draft picks like Trouba, so by default I don't think other teams value them as much as we do.

 

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2 hours ago, timberz21 said:

 

I mean, I'm excited that we have talented, young defensemen in the making....but I think using amazing and best offensive dmen of this franchise is a little too optimistic.

 

I mean Stetcher is playing well for a rookie, but he's not breaking any offensive record yet.  He has a long way to go to be considered better than Jovo, Ohlund and Lumme and I wouldn't bet too much money that he'll have better numbers than Edler and Salo too. 

 

They have good potential, but none of them is going to be a #1 defenseman in the likes of Doughty, Keith, Weber, Pietrangelo, Letang, Burns, Karlsson, Subban.

 

As for their value...they are not even close to what the Jets could fetch for Trouba.   They are not high profile draft picks like Trouba, so by default I don't think other teams value them as much as we do.

 

 

Well, I said Stetcher has a SHOT at being ONE of the best offensive dmen that we've had and I'd argue that Stetcher's offensive game is already better than Ohlund's ever was. Whether or not Stetcher will see the longevity that Ohlund had remains to be seen.

 

Jovo was really good but only played 434 games as a Canucks, so it's not like he's out of reach. 

 

Lunme is probably # 1 but even he only played 505 games with us. 

 

Stetcher is a long ways away but those guys are by no means out of reach.

 

I'm projecting way into the future but I think it's pretty clear that Stetcher is the best offensive rookie defenseman we've ever had. 

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3 hours ago, Me_ said:

As per the current Canucks plans, Hutton, Tryamkin and Stetcher are unreadable.

 

Hutton has Doughty written all over him,

 

Tryamkin has Chara written all over him,

 

Stetcher will feed Boeser for years to come.

What happened to Boeser?

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2 hours ago, timberz21 said:

 

I mean, I'm excited that we have talented, young defensemen in the making....but I think using amazing and best offensive dmen of this franchise is a little too optimistic.

 

I mean Stetcher is playing well for a rookie, but he's not breaking any offensive record yet.  He has a long way to go to be considered better than Jovo, Ohlund and Lumme and I wouldn't bet too much money that he'll have better numbers than Edler and Salo too

The kids hasn't even played twenty games yet.

2 hours ago, timberz21 said:

They have good potential, but none of them is going to be a #1 defenseman in the likes of Doughty, Keith, Weber, Pietrangelo, Letang, Burns, Karlsson, Subban.

It's interesting that you state, in so many words, that fans need to temper expectations around these players, yet state with absolutes that none of them will be capable of attaining the heights of the aforementioned d-men. I mean, Weber and Keith weren't projected to be anything more than depth defensemen in their draft years.....

2 hours ago, timberz21 said:

As for their value...they are not even close to what the Jets could fetch for Trouba.   They are not high profile draft picks like Trouba, so by default I don't think other teams value them as much as we do.

Once again, high profile isn't necessarily an indicator. Cam Barker was a top ten, "high-profile", defenseman.....

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4 minutes ago, J.R. said:

I think the more important question is what is the value of Tanev (when he gets healthy)?

 

Fair enough. But I'm curious who people think will end up being the best/most valuable of the 3, as well as who currently holds the most value. Thoughts?

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33 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said:

 

Well, I said Stetcher has a SHOT at being ONE of the best offensive dmen that we've had and I'd argue that Stetcher's offensive game is already better than Ohlund's ever was. Whether or not Stetcher will see the longevity that Ohlund had remains to be seen.

 

Jovo was really good but only played 434 games as a Canucks, so it's not like he's out of reach. 

 

Lunme is probably # 1 but even he only played 505 games with us. 

 

Stetcher is a long ways away but those guys are by no means out of reach.

 

I'm projecting way into the future but I think it's pretty clear that Stetcher is the best offensive rookie defenseman we've ever had. 

 

Yet, his PPG average is currently below Hutton's PPG of last year. 

 

I mean, it's not like we have a great history of great rookie defenseman, so I guess the bar isn't so high for Stetcher, but I would still argue Edler was our best offensive rookie defenseman...the comparison to Lidstrom were legitimate, it just never materialized.

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1 minute ago, VIC_CITY said:

 

Fair enough. But I'm curious who people think will end up being the best/most valuable of the 3, as well as who currently holds the most value. Thoughts?

 

Tryamkin could be a freaking monster #1D. He could also only ever be a good #4-#5.

 

 I'd wager Hutton max's out at a good #2 or #3.

 

Stetcher...who knows? He could remain a solid, complimentary, offensive ~#4D... He could become a dominant top pair guy.

 

Needless to say, with players like them, Juolevi and Brisebois coming up not to mention solid guys like Gudbranson helping anchor them, I like where our D core is going. We've got a great mix of puck movers and guys with sizer and grit.

 

Something like:

Juolevi, Tryamkin

Hutton, Stetcher

Brisebois, Gudbranson

 

In the future, looks A-OK with me.

 

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I remember sitting around with a bunch of buddies watching Ohlund, Aucoin, and McCabe.

We got in a little brawl over who was best.

For me the year we punted Bure for Jovo created one of our best D cores ever.

Jovo, Ohlund, McCabe, Aucoin, and a young Sopel (aka Chewy), and Staios...

 

PS - This emerging D core makes me just as excited!

Can not wait for Juolevi to surface.

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10 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

The kids hasn't even played twenty games yet.

It's interesting that you state, in so many words, that fans need to temper expectations around these players, yet state with absolutes that none of them will be capable of attaining the heights of the aforementioned d-men. I mean, Weber and Keith weren't projected to be anything more than depth defensemen in their draft years.....

Once again, high profile isn't necessarily an indicator. Cam Barker was a top ten, "high-profile", defenseman.....

- Exactly, he hasn't played 20 games and he's already AMAZING with his 3 points, and will apparently already beat all of the Canucks great defenseman.   Remember our future captain, a certain Cody Hodgson?

 

- It's called being realistic.  If you had to bet your house that either of these 3 defenseman would turn out to be a good 3rd or 4th NHL defenseman or a top 10 in the whole league, where would you put your money?

 

- Of course bust happens all the time.  But when they are unproven,, recently drafted and with a season or less in experience, yes high profile matters.  Teams never really give up a high profile draft pick the year after his draft for lesser valued asset.  Arizona wouldn't trade Dylan Strome for lower 2nd rounder Aho, because Aho is in the NHL and Strome isn't.  Maybe in 3 years that would change, but that early, high profile matters.

 

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